The Worship Artistry Podcast


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Pilot episode! Jason, Ryan and Daniel talk using tracks in worship, give away a Thalia capo and answer your questions.

Episode Date
Michael Farren on Pushing Envelopes

Michael Farren joins the podcast to discuss when it's appropriate to push the envelope and writing in your church's language. In member mail, the guys respond to some thoughts on the Amanda Lindsey Cook podcast interview.

May 22, 2019
Amanda Lindsey Cook on Getting Back To Basics

Amanda Lindsey Cook joins the podcast to discuss closeness with God in solitude. Jason and Daniel reflect on making 100 podcasts.

May 15, 2019
Shelby Rollins on Developing Church Skill

Vocal coach Shelby Rollins joins the podcast to talk everything singing in church from harmonies to blending. This girl knows her stuff!

May 08, 2019
Meredith Andrews on Leading For Everybody

Meredith Andrews joins the podcast to discuss leading worship that everyone can grab onto. Jason and Daniel share some funny stories from the weekend and member mail finally gets down when the new website is coming out.

May 01, 2019
Jon Egan on Opening Up

Former Desperation Band worship leader Jon Egan joins the podcast to discuss his first solo project, moving on from youth group and documenting a live worship experience. Jason and Daniel discuss playing with a young drummer.

Apr 24, 2019
London Gatch on Trusting in Transition

BEC recording artist joins the podcast to discuss taking big steps out and trusting God in transition. Jason and Daniel discuss signaling the band without any hands.

Apr 17, 2019
Battling Anxiety with Brian Johnson

Brian Johnson has been instrumental in Bethel Music's rise to prominence and co-written songs like One Thing Remains, We Will Not Be Shaken and No Longer Slaves. He has also struggled with severe anxiety and opens up about it in his new book "When God Becomes Real". In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel give some ideas on what to do when one of your team members is struggling with rhythm.

Apr 10, 2019
Francesca Battistelli on Space and Balance

Singer/Songwriter/Worship Leader/Mother of Four Francesca Battistelli joins us to talk about combining pop music, worship leading and family life. Jason and Daniel talk swim suit tips.

Apr 03, 2019
Mack Brock on Starting From Scratch

Mack Brock joins the show to discuss creating outside his comfort zone and writing bridges people want to sing. Jason and Daniel discuss how much repetition is too much.

Mar 27, 2019
Bethel's Bethany Wohrle on Being Ready For The Moment

Bethel Music's Bethany Wohrle joins the podcast to discuss being ready when the moment comes and building a culture of worship. Daniel and Jason give tips on leading on guitar.

Mar 20, 2019
Jonathan Mason on Equipping the Church

Jonathan Mason joins the podcast to discuss equipping the church by the church. Jason and Daniel share some of their most embarrassing stories.

Mar 13, 2019
Passion's Melodie Malone on staying passionate

See what we did there? Melodie Malone joins the podcast to discuss leading with passion and growing into ministry. Jason and Daniel discuss direct tone into the sound system.

Mar 06, 2019
Leslie Jordan on Life Transitions

WE ARE BACK! Former co-leader of All Sons and Daughters, Leslie Jordan joins the show to discuss stepping away from a successful band and being called into something new. Jason and Daniel answer member mail on choosing songs that fit your congregation.

Feb 27, 2019
Advent Week 4 - Love

A love like nothing else. Merry Christmas. We'll see you next year.

Dec 21, 2018
Advent Week 3 - Joy

The guys talk about the Christmas songs that give joy and the ones that steal it. The Tuning Room leads a meditation on joy.

Dec 19, 2018
Advent Week 2 - Peace

Jason and Daniel discuss overly-affectionate dog lovers, the finer points of the South African dialect and in Member Mail give tips on learning solos. Then it's time to settle down with The Tuning Room and meditate on peace.

Dec 12, 2018
Advent Week 1 - Hope

The guys talk advent and the benefits of waiting and anticipation, take some member mail and then close out with The Tuning Room to set your heart right for the season.

Dec 05, 2018
Worship Culture of Comparison

George Ross of CCLI joins the podcast to discuss worship trends and the culture of comparison. In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel toss out some ideas for creative Christmas worship sets.

Nov 28, 2018
Worship Tips with The Tip Jar Podcast

Cody Keys of the Tip Jar Podcast joins us to discuss the lessons he's learned from worship artists and being a worship pastor. In Member Mail Jason and Daniel discuss self-centered worship songs.

Nov 21, 2018
David Leonard on Creating In Community

David Leonard of The Creak talks about creating in community and his upcoming project. Jason and Daniel discuss transitions in member mail.

Nov 14, 2018
Handling Conflict on the Worship Team

Keyboard instructor and worship pastor Ryan King joins the show to discuss his transition to a new church and inadvertently puts on a clinic about handling conflict. In Member Mail Jason and Daniel discuss transitioning between different tempos.

Nov 07, 2018
Shelby Rollins on Leading Your Congregational Singing

Worship Artistry vocal coach Shelby Rollins joins the show to discuss singing to lead your congregation. In member mail Jason and Daniel give tips on kicking off worship for a church plant.

Oct 31, 2018
Josh Ward on Drumming

Drum Instructor Josh Ward joins the show to talk everything from drum tone to preparing for tour. Jason and Daniel answer member mail on changing worship team culture.

Oct 24, 2018
Michael Farren on Equipping Songwriters

Michael Farren has released one of the best worship albums you'll hear this year called Fighting For Us. Hear why it's important to give words to your congregation. Daniel and Jason offer up a few crazy stories that have nothing to do with the album. Surprise.

Oct 17, 2018
Phil Wickham on Writing For The Congregation

Phil Wickham joins the show to discuss songwriting and the balance of art and usability. Daniel and Jason take on some member mail.

Oct 10, 2018
Ministry or Platform

Jason and Daniel are back from their summer hiatus and are psyched to kick off the new season. After a return from Nashville Jason has some clarity on what worship leading is about and the guys bring their thoughts. Also, Jason's voice cracks at the very end. Great start.

Oct 03, 2018
Devotional Worship with The Tuning Room

The guys discuss the value of devotional worship and introduce Jason's new podcast, The Tuning Room. To subscribe, visit or subscribe on iTunes. It's been a great season and we have a lot to look forward to in the fall. Enjoy the summer and we'll see you soon!

Jun 06, 2018
How To Own Your Identity

It's one of the trickiest things to really own but our identity affects everything we do. Benji Cowart joins the podcast to dive deep into who we are and what really matters.

May 30, 2018
Developing Sound Engineers with Doug Gould
39:14's Doug Gould joins the show to talk about how to develop volunteers and what to focus on.

May 23, 2018
From Piano To Keys And Back

Worship Artistry keyboard instructor Ryan King joins the podcast to discuss making the transition to either in the least intimidating way possible.

May 16, 2018
Staying Inspired with Michael Farren

We could very easily have named this "Staying inspired BY Michael Farren" but this works too. The Grammy nominated songwriter and worship pastor joins us to discuss staying inspired, working in broken systems and songs about trees.

May 09, 2018
Bridging The Gap Between Booth And Stage

Jeff Sandstrom was Chris Tomlin's live sound engineer until 2016 and has been behind the board in every live venue imaginable. He's also seen plenty of dysfunction in the church world and brings his heart for the whole team to the podcast. In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel give some tips on nailing your worship team audition.

May 02, 2018
Keith Getty on Why We Sing (Correct Audio)

Keith Getty joins the show to discuss why, when and how we should sing and Jason and Daniel discuss the value of civil discourse.

A previous version of this podcast had an audio error that has been fixed. Very sorry for the inconvenience.

Apr 25, 2018
Live Podcast with Shelby Rollins

We're all in the same room! Shelby Rollins joins the show to hang with Jason and Daniel in Nashville. They also get to deliver some exciting news.

Apr 18, 2018
Writing with Pastors with Brad and Rebekah

Brad and Rebekah join the show to discuss their most recent project and how it grew out of asking pastors what kind of songs they need. In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel discuss the synth takeover of worship music

Apr 11, 2018
Can You Learn To Sing (REBROADCAST)

Due to a number of factors including a dropbox glitch and a lack of computer access this episode is a rebroadcast. New episodes return next week.

Jason talks with Singing Success vocal coach, Shelby Rollins about learning to sing. Can anyone learn? Where do you start? What are some things to watch for. All this and more on the Worship Artistry podcast.

Apr 04, 2018
Stu and Jason's Favorite Guitar Solos

Stu Garrard and Jason discuss their favorite guitar solos and what makes them special. In Member Mail, Daniel and Jason tell you how songs are chosen for the radio.

Listen to all the guitar solos at:

Mar 28, 2018
How To Create Great Acoustic Sets

Jason and Daniel dive into their collective experience and discuss creating strong acoustic sets. From technique changes to each instrument's role the band, the guys drop some wisdom.

Mar 21, 2018
Cody Carnes on Creative Vision

Cody Carnes joins the show to discuss his latest album, writing creatively and in relationship. In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel discuss leading from a music stand.

Mar 14, 2018
Writing Big with Kristian Stanfill

Passion's Kristian Stanfill joins the show to discuss writing those big, up-tempo songs, leading with different personalities and keeping consistent. In member mail Jason and Daniel discuss playing open versus closed. 

Mar 07, 2018
Father to Father with Cory Asbury

The man who co-wrote "Reckless Love" and was brave enough to cover the single with his own elementary school photo joins the podcast to discuss his breakout song, response to art, and writing and leading worship to the Father after becoming a father himself.

Feb 28, 2018
A Few Of Our Favorite Things

Jason and Daniel reflect on their favorite gear, guests, songs and life lessons from 2017 before settling in for a long winters podcast nap. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! See you in February.

Dec 13, 2017
Creative Craftsmanship

Creation Music Company founder John Snyder joins the show to discuss passion for your craft, being Christian in the business world and his rad creations. In member mail, Daniel and Jason wade into an awkward topic and somehow come out okay on the other side.


Check out pics of John's Worship Artistry creation here:

Dec 06, 2017
Ministry Confessions with Benji Cowart

Benji Cowart joins Jason in airing out their dirty laundry. Learn from their mistakes! In Member Mail, Daniel and Jason give tips on joining a new team.

Nov 29, 2017
(REBROADCAST) How to Stay Sane During Christmas

We're all taking the week to be meditate on gratitude but here's a rebroadcast on preparing yourself for this next season. Let us help you keep your head and heart in a good space this holiday season.

Nov 22, 2017
All About Overdrive

Cody Fields and Aaron Tomberlin, founders of Westminster and Nose pedals respectively, join the show to geek out on pedals and overdrives specifically. Jason even busts out some of his best Guitar Center riffs. Enjoy!

Nov 15, 2017
Jason Ingram on Writing For Church

Jason Ingram is credited on songs like Great Are You Lord, Forever Reign, and Lamb of God. In this extended interview we discuss what went into these songs that are serving the global church. 

Nov 08, 2017
How To Lead And Love Well

Worship pastor and songwriter Benji Cowart joins the show and drops wisdom bombs left and right. A must listen for anyone in worship ministry. Jason and Daniel coach you on prepping with two electric guitarists.

Nov 01, 2017
How To Be A Successful Worship Leader

Jason and Daniel muse about three things you really do need to have to be a successful worship leader. Some may surprise you.

Oct 25, 2017
Keyboard Patches for Worship with Ryan King

Keyboard instructor Ryan King joins the show to discuss building patches for worship and the brand new Worship Artistry patch store. Check out the store at

Oct 18, 2017
Paul Baloche on Helping People Worship

Daniel's on vacation but no worries! Paul Baloche joins the show to talk about helping musicians, leaders and congregations enter in meaningful worship. Paul has been leading worship for a long time and has more writing credits to his name than we can name. Sit back and enjoy a conversation with one of the godfathers of worship music.

Oct 11, 2017
Leslie Jordan on Empowering Women In Worship

Leslie Jordan of All Sons and Daughters joins the show to share her experience growing up in worship leading and shares thoughts on natural blind spots we may have in our leadership roles. Jason and Daniel take an in-depth member mail.

Oct 04, 2017
Leading For The Long Haul with Matt Redman

Matt Redman joins the show to talk about leading worship for over 20 years, working in community and his latest album. Jason works on his South African accent and Daniel just Daniel's.

Sep 27, 2017
Worship Leading From The Well

Dustin Smith joins the show ahead of the WFX conference to discuss writing pastorally, leading from a full well and 15-year-old Justin Bieber worship songs. In member mail, Jason and Daniel discuss getting back into the rhythm of practice.

Sep 20, 2017
Tim Timmons On Using All 10,000 Minutes

We're back! Jason and Daniel talk camping without reservations and how many miles you have to run to escape a pursuer. Tim Timmons joins the show to talk music, little words that make big changes and how to use our 10,000 minutes in the week.

Sep 13, 2017
Building Beatitudes with Stu Garrard

Stu Garrard joins us to discuss his collaborative project "Beatitudes" and discusses the challenges and joys of building a concept record with an all-star cast.

May 31, 2017
How To Sculpt Vocal Tone

Singing is way more than just hitting notes. Show favorite Shelby Rollins of Singing Success joins us to show us ways to communicate songs with our vocal tone. In Member Mail, Daniel gives some tips on being the old guy in the band.

May 25, 2017
How To Build Your Own Studio

Daniel and Jason dig into creating a home studio. What matters most? What gear should you focus on. What should your expectations be? Dig into this informative episode.

May 17, 2017
Solo Instruments In Worship

Ray Butcher, trumpet soloist on God's Great Dance Floor joins the show to talk about being a solo instrument on the worship team. How do you think about your parts? What do you do when you are not playing? How should you approach a solo? Jason and Daniel answer member mail about "following the Spirit" in the moment.

May 10, 2017
Being A Worship Artist

Sara Reeves joins the show to talk about her latest record and the performance of worship, the guys give advice on arranging for a smaller band and Jason finds a cat.

May 03, 2017
Co-writing with Dara Maclean and Travis Ryan

If you've never had the opportunity to co-write it can be intimidating. Travis Ryan and Dara Maclean discuss what it's like to write together and how the music comes together. 

Apr 26, 2017
Arranging Creatively with David Leonard of All Sons And Daughters

Co-Lead Singer and Songwriter for All Sons and Daughters joins the show to talk about creative arranging, playing to the room writing in the real places. Jason and Daniel also take a Member Mail from someone who's thinking about quitting the worship team. Just another week at Worship Artistry.

Apr 19, 2017
Don't Believe The Hype

What are the messages you hear about worship? Where do they come from and do they have the best intentions? We've got a full house as all the Worship Artistry teachers jump on to discuss what matters, what doesn't, and how to tell the difference.

Apr 13, 2017
Keyboards and MainStage

Patch Master of David Pfaltzgraff takes you through his process and how he develops his tones for MainStage, Daniel celebrates an anniversary, the guys discuss calling out your band members and feature Charlene in our first "Musicians Who Get It" segment.

Apr 05, 2017
Values of a Congregational Drummer

More Than Music Mentor, Grant Norsworthy joins us to discuss drummers as conductors and the values of a congregational band. In Member Mail, Jason and Daniel talk attracting artists and keeping them.

Mar 29, 2017
Do's And Don'ts of Making A Church Album

Recording a worship album can be an awesome experience. It can also be a relationship destroyer and money pit. Jason and Daniel pull from their deep well of experience to help you know what you are getting into and how to avoid the pitfalls. They also somehow manage to talk about ear candles. 

Mar 22, 2017
A Peek Into The Worship Music Industry

We Are Worship Podcast host and Marketing Director for Integrity Music Wisdom Moon to talks about how the music industry around worship music has changed and the challenges it creates for modern church songwriters.

Mar 15, 2017
How To Sing

Shelby Rollins from Singing Success returns and this time gives Jason a full vocal lesson. You'll get some vocal exercises to get you started and get to laugh at Jason all at the same time. In member mail, Jason and Daniel tell you how to get over stage fright.

You can check out the Singing Success 360 course and sign up for lessons with Shelby at

Mar 08, 2017
Playing Keys For Worship with Hillsong's Peter James

Hillsong keyboard guru Peter James sits down with Ryan King to talk patches, playing live and so much more! Check out Peter's tones at

Mar 02, 2017
The Bass And Guitar Gear You Need

Jason and Daniel celebrate the new Worship Artistry Resources section by discussing their favorite gear and what they look for when purchasing any equipment. They also give some suggestions for beginner and intermediate players as well. Check out the new page here. (No membership needed)

You can also check out the "Should I Buy This Pedal Flowchart" here:

Feb 22, 2017
Arranging Parts For Keys

Worship Artistry keyboard instructor joins us to discuss arranging music for keyboards, his new kids program "Pianosity" and staying focused on practice.

Feb 15, 2017
Theory That Matters

Today we are joined by author of Fretboard Theory Volumes 1 and 2, Desi Serna to talk about the theory that really matters.

Feb 08, 2017
Writing Founder And Finisher

Songwriters Aaron Dickson and Stephen Folden join the show to discuss writing and recording the first independent song Worship Artistry has ever done. Jason and Daniel also talk New Year's resolutions and member mail shows up the meatheads. Just another day at the office.

Learn Founder and Finisher for FREE at

Feb 04, 2017
Best of The Best 2016

Jason and Daniel go through some of their favorite Worship Artistry moments from 2016. Grab a cup of hot chocolate and listen in. We'll see you in January!

Dec 21, 2016
Big Lessons From Little Churches

Worship Pastor Ron Pai joins the show to share the lessons he's learned from pastoring at churches big and small. Is there really a difference? How do you apply lessons learned from one to another? We talk style, communication, complaints and loving on your people. In member mail we learn about co-leading a team and leading from an instrument other than voice.

Dec 07, 2016
How To Stay Sane During The Christmas Season

We've got a full house today with Jason, Daniel, Josh and Ryan all sharing ideas for Christmas sets and staying sane during the Christmas season. If you've ever felt overwhelmed with the church chaos of Christmas, this one is for you.

Check out "I Heard The Bells On Christmas Day" here.

Nov 30, 2016
Using The Studio As An Instrument

Chris Hoisington joins the show to talk about recording, why it's so hard to capture the live worship experience on record and some of the best producers out there. You can also view the companion videos to this episode here.

Nov 23, 2016
How Inspire Creativity In Your Band

Daniel and Jason discuss arranging songs for your community, expanding on great ideas and bringing your congregation along with you. 

Nov 16, 2016
Is Our Worship Big Enough?

Post Election Special! (Special because it doesn't mention politics at all)

Worship Pastor and author of Bigger: Maybe Our Worship Is Just Too Small, Wayne Stewart joins the show to discuss what gathered worship is meant to be. Jason and Daniel also give tips on mentoring musicians.

Nov 09, 2016
Is It Okay To Make Money In Worship

Where is the line between volunteer and professional? When is it appropriate to pay a worship musician? Is it ever? Daniel and Jason tackle this tough question with honesty and levity. In Member Mail the guys suggest ways to spiritually develop your worship team.

Ask your member mail questions at

Nov 02, 2016
What Makes A Great Song Great

Jason and Daniel talk rhyming the word "African", learning from themselves and theology in song choice. Vice President of Publishing for Centricity Music, Chad Segura joins the show to discuss what makes a song great. Great stuff on this episode. 

Oct 26, 2016
How To Receive Ministry As A Minister

We're back! Worship Artistry launches into season 2 strong with a discussion on how ministers can receive ministry. You might find the thoughts surprising! Listen in.

Oct 19, 2016
Season Wrap and Fall Preview

We're wrapping up season one of the podcast but will most definitely be continuing in the fall. Dan and Jason talk the best of the season and what to look for next.

Jun 20, 2016
Stage Presence and Worship

Does stage presence really matter? What makes for good (or poor) stage presence? Jason and Josh dive in.

Jun 13, 2016
How To Think About Criticism

Jason and Daniel talk about the good, the bad and the ugly when it comes to criticism. How should we receive it? How should we give it? In member mail the guys talk about aging worship leaders. It's a good one.

Jun 07, 2016
Hospitality In Worship

Jason and Daniel jump right into being a hospitable worship leader. It's a great listen.

May 30, 2016
Everything You Don't Need To Play Keys

Jason Houtsma and Ryan King talk about what you actually need to know to play keyboard. They talk everything from gear and lessons to scales and rhythm knowledge. In member mail Jason tells of the worst 20 minutes of his life.

May 23, 2016
The Separation Between Good And Great

Why do some guys get all the calls to play? Carrie Underwood touring drummer Garrett Goodwin joins the show to talk about that little bit extra that takes you from good to great. Jason and Dan continue to be their ridiculous selves and discuss leading a team when you're the youngest member.

May 16, 2016
How To Create And Arrange Lead Guitar Parts

Guitar Jedi Master Stu G. joins the show to talk part creation, arranging lead guitar, learning from the greats and the parts of music that really matter. Jason and Dan also talk music influences and professional snuggling. Just another day at Worship Artistry.

May 09, 2016
How To Think About Music Directing For Worship

Ryan King discusses what it takes to be an MD with Director Extraordinaire Chris Springer. The guys talk tech, training and philosophy. Dan and Jason also talk homosexuals on the worship team and Jason ruins Legoland for kids everywhere.

May 02, 2016
How To Be An Artist In Church

Can you be an artist in the church? What does it take to be a successful? Rich Kirkpatrick, musician, worship pastor and writer of The Six Hats of The Worship Leader joins us to talk art, worship and pastoring. Dan and Jason talk Batman, Robin and fennel.

Get Rich's book on Amazon, check out his worship project Beautiful Liturgy and read his work at

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Apr 25, 2016
How To Avoid Becoming The Jaded Worship Musician

If anyone should be jaded about worship music it should be the guy who's posted over 300 worship guitar lessons and the guy that's been in professional worship ministry for 14 years. Jason and Daniel Ornellas talk how to avoid becoming jaded in worship.

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Apr 18, 2016
Non-Believers On The Worship Team?

Jason and Dan have a live discussion on the place for non-believers on the worship team. What should our expectations be and how do we handle adversity? Jason also confesses to his shady musical past.

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Apr 11, 2016
How To Think About Choirs In Modern Worship

Jason and Dan discuss the difference between "Totes" and "Parsh" "Chrish" and Ryan King surprises Jason by having a very interesting and informative discussion about choirs in modern worship.

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Apr 04, 2016
How To Keep Practice Efficient and Inspiring

In this episode, Worship Artistry bass instructor Daniel Ornellas and Pro Worship Bass Player Ben Davis (Kari Jobe, By The Tree, Steven Curtis Chapman) talk about growing as a musician and practicing well. Jason and Dan also talk satire, T-Rex's and Orangutans. They also answer a question on blending band styles.  

Mar 28, 2016
Talking Worship Drumming with Carl Albrecht

Jason and Dan reminisce on the the 80's BMX movie, RAD. Josh and Carl Albrecht talk so many things drums we close it down with member mail. Sit back and enjoy. Read the top 3 questions here from the discussion here:

Mar 21, 2016
How To Think About Playing Worship Music Outside The Box

Jason and Dan talk tacos and outdoor music ministry and Zach Bolen of Citizens and Saints joins the show to talk about writing worship songs with theological depth, catchy hooks and a unique sound.

Mar 14, 2016
Everything You DON'T Need To Know To Play Guitar And Bass

Stop fretting about what you need to know! Jason and Dan unravel the mystery of music  and tell you where you need to spend your time.

Mar 08, 2016
How To Think About A Worship Industry Boycott

In this episode Jason Houtsma and Dan Egan talk about the Patheos article that's been making the rounds on the net. They take it apart piece by piece and have an honest conversation about today's worship industry. 

Feb 29, 2016
How To Think About Leading Worship On The Road

Bass instructor Daniel Ornellas who's led worship with Paul Baloche, Brenton Brown, One Sonic Society, Tree 63 among many others gives us some insight on what it takes to go on the road.

Feb 22, 2016