Undermine

By Osiris Media

Listen to a podcast, please open Podcast Republic app. Available on Google Play Store.


Category: Music Interviews

Open in Apple Podcasts


Open RSS feed


Open Website


Rate for this podcast

Subscribers: 273
Reviews: 0

Description

Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. Season two will focus on the community of fans that help make Phish one of the most compelling and enduring bands in the world. Based on more than 100 interviews with members of the community from all walks of life, this season will provide the most comprehensive look at the Phish fan community to date.


Looking for Under The Scales? Episodes from 2020 and earlier are archived here!


Episode Date
S2E10: You're Already There
01:20:42

At the onset of the 2020s, Trey Anastasio got stuck on a platform high above MSG. While he played through with humor and grace, the moment would serve as the prelude to a year where we all felt unhinged. For those who were infected by Covid, or lost loved ones, 2020 was a nightmare. For everyone, it was an unexpected pause, marked by tension and a longing for normalcy.


In the Season 2 finale, we explore the last two years, through the lens of Phish. We hear from the Undermine team about our experiences in 2020, how Dinner And A Movie and The Beacon Jams helped us get through the year at home, and then we shift gears to discuss Phish in 2021. We talk about the anxiety of returning to live music, the thrill of hearing the first notes, and how Sci-Fi Soldiers may impact Phish long term. The band gave us a number of unexpected, albeit needed, gifts over the previous two years, proving once again, that if we as a community, simply surrender to the flow, the magic of Phish will prove that you’re already *there*.


Thanks to everyone who has listened, commented, and shared Season 2! We will be back in Spring 2022 with Season 3!


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook, and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. 


Thanks to our partners: 


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 24, 2021
S2E9: Phish Without Borders
01:17:04

To this point, Season 2 of Undermine has mirrored the fan experience with Phish—traveling to see them, engaging with the community, and trying to understand why we dedicate so much time, energy and money to this band. But what happens if you fall in love with Phish but have no ability to see them live or to engage with the community in person? What does the band mean to you if they’re 10,000 miles away? 


In this episode, we meet Phish fans from around the world. Some are foreign nationals who discovered the band via the internet but have had limited opportunities to see the band. Others are Americans who either went to live abroad, or chased the band overseas because they couldn’t get enough. Featuring interviews with Lee Farber, Mark Lewis, Jason Tully, Dylan Behan and more, we explore the global reach of Phish to better understand the total power of their music.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook, and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. 


Thanks to our partners: 


Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 17, 2021
S2E8: Set II
01:17:43

Beyond the tape trading, the road trips, the lot vibe, the people you meet, the lights dropping, etc, the reason we all come back to Phish is for the music. Why do people throw everything they have into this band? Why are we podcasting about them in 2021? Why are we trying to decipher all of their inside jokes? Why are we debating and relisting to jams decades after they happened?


In this episode we explore these questions and more. Focusing on the world Phish has built through their music, we hear from die hard fans who break down the why behind their Phish fandom. Featuring interviews with Dave Calarco, Carla Ngo, Scott Bernstein, Pu Tzu and more, this episode looks at the extreme in-joke nature of the Phish fan experience and tries to better understand why we simple cannot get enough of this crazy band. 


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. 


Thanks to our partners: 


Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 10, 2021
S2E7: Setbreak
01:04:50

And after all that, we go collect our thoughts and go back to waiting again for 15 minutes (they always promise it’ll be 15 minutes!). Setbreak is the time to get a grip back on reality, connect with neighbors, meet people, take a stroll, grab a bite, you name it. It’s the in between. Something has happened, and something more will happen, but for now, we wait once again.


In this episode, we explore what happens at setbreak while checking in with fans to learn more about the spiritual nature of a Phish show and to understand perspectives from using psychedelics to remaining sober at a show. We meet Jake Cohen and Rabbi Jessy Dressin, while hearing from Vic Vela, Paige Clem and more.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 03, 2021
S2E6: Lights
00:53:08

The anticipation has been building for hours, months...maybe even years. So many hours spent listening to shows, so much planning just to get you into the venue and in your spot for the moment we all wait for: when the lights finally drop. It’s a moment of ecstasy for many, a relief for others, and the beginning of the journey into the unknown of that night’s show for all of us in attendance. 


In this episode, we explore the routines and stories from the community—hearing about what many of us do to ensure we’re exactly where we need to be to get the most out of each show. We also further explore our diverse community. We meet the rail riders, as well as activists who are doing all they can to ensure the safety of all fans at a show. Featuring stories from Lacy Boughn, Ashley Griffin, Dave Calarco, Ashley Driscoll of GrooveSafe, and more, we further explore why the Phish scene continues to evolve, and how we can be a kinder, more respectful community. 


We’re going to take an extended set break while we all enjoy Phish’s Fall Tour. We’ll be back on Wednesday, November 3!


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. 


Thanks to our partners: 


Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 13, 2021
Introducing | Breaking Waves: Seattle
00:01:38

Breaking Waves: Seattle is the story of the scene that defined rock in the ‘90s. The show traces the roots of grunge, and details the rise and fall of the Seattle scene, and concludes with a look forward, examining the legacy of grunge and highlighting the current and emerging artists who will create Seattle’s next breaking wave. Produced for Audacy by Osiris Media.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 08, 2021
S2E5: Doors
00:57:26

There’s that moment at every Phish show where we transition from the bliss of the pre-show party to the business at hand of the show itself. We walk in, get our seats, gaze at the stage, and realize how many of us there are to see this incredible band. With this comes the realization that we’re amongst a wide and disparate tribe of people chasing the same thing, oftentimes from different starting points. 


In this episode, we explore those different starting points and the diverse group of fans that make up the Phish fan base. We hear about the challenges some fans face when feeling included in the scene, the obstacles many overcome just to experience a show, and ask some serious questions about who we are as a fanbase. Featuring stories from Malcolm Howard, Shaunea Robinson, Laura Keating, Stephanie Jenkins, and more, we highlight just how many people Phish has attracted, while showcasing ways that we can become a more unified and equal fanbase. 


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


Thanks to our partners: 


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 06, 2021
S2E4: The Lot
01:04:17

At first blush, hanging out in a parking lot doesn’t sound that fun. But the Phish parking lot experience is completely different—part bazaar, part sprawling tailgating party, it’s a place for people to meet, hang out, exchange money for goods, and start the good times before a concert. 


In this episode, we stroll through the lot, conversing with vendors and artists alike, and hear from a few musicians about how Phish inspired their own creativity. Featuring stories from AJ Masthay, Dean Budnick, Joel Cummins, Holly Bowling, and more, we dive deep into the world of the lot, to learn more about why so many of us show up to a Phish venue hours before the concert even begins.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


Thanks to our partners: 


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 29, 2021
S2E3: Load In
01:03:33

When we think of the Phish community, we usually think about the obsessive, or at the very least, passionate, fans. However, behind the scenes, in every venue Phish plays in, there’s a community that works together to make sure that the show goes on—safely, smoothly, and in the most enjoyable way possible.


In this episode, we hear from the crew, the bartenders, the ushers, and so many more, as they walk us through the load in and load out process before and after every Phish show. Featuring stories from Chris 

Kuroda, Brad Sands, Beth Montouri Rowles, and more, we dive deep into the world behind the stage, to learn about the community that makes Phish shows happen. 


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


Thanks to our partners: 


Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 22, 2021
S2E2: Let's Go On Tour
01:05:21

While many Phish fans in the early 90s discovered Phish by way of message boards and tape trades, the band solidified their status as one of the most important bands of the era through their unpredictable and thrilling live shows—and when you just had to hear, or see, the tour to understand the full story.  


In this episode, we hear about adventures on tour, and explore why “going on tour” is an essential element of the Phish community. We hear stories from fans like Drew Hitz, Chris Glushko, Gina Schmidt, and Laura Keating, while also exploring the nature of Phish criticism from fans like Dave Calarco, Steven Hyden and Rob Mitchum. 


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


Thanks to our partners: 


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 15, 2021
S2E1: Hey, Check Out This Band
01:05:55

In the early days of the internet, college kids from around the country began to congregate online to discuss Phish and trade information and live show tapes. Evolving alongside the internet itself, the community helped the band reach new fans, expand their sound and reach a level of success which few could have foreseen in the 1980s. 


In the first episode of Undermine Season Two, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the evolution of tape trading and the digital dialogue around Phish in the 1990s. We hear how this community grew, with insight from people like Charlie Dirksen, Shelly Culbertson, Michael Lazerow and Stephanie Jenkins, while hearing from a lot of fans who were part of the early Phish scene. 


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


Thanks to our partners: 


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 08, 2021
Undermine Season 2: The Community - Trailer
00:01:59

Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. In Season 2 we'll turn our focus to YOU, the Community. We've interviewed over 100 Phish fans to get to the heart of what's shaped this community, how it originated, how it's evolved, what issues persist, and how it's communicated with each other over the the last 30 years. In addition, we'll explore how Phish impacted the lives of their fans during 2020 & now, as live shows have returned.


Undermine Season 2 will premier on Wednesday, September 8.


Presented by Osiris Media.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 18, 2021
HF Pod On Tour!
00:01:08

Phish tour is back, and so is the Helping Friendly Podcast! HF Pod On Tour will feature live video Quick Hits at 1pm the day after every show—on Osiris Media's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube channels.


We'll also have podcast episodes every Tuesday with a rundown of the tour thus far. Featuring great conversation, fans who were at the shows, and lots of laughs and music. Subscribe to the Helping Friendly Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.


We'll also be doing a very special event around Dick's, and an amazing contest that will be announced soon. HF Pod On Tour is presented by Shift Cannabis.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 28, 2021
Cluster Flies from JamBase
01:00:08

We have a special episode for you today, looking in depth at JamBase's Cluster Flies, the covers compilation reimagining Phish’s album Farmhouse. The limited-edition 3LP release was mastered by engineer Joe Lambert and features custom artwork and a poster created by longtime Phish collaborator Jim Pollock. You can pre-order the LP and Pollock poster here through Monday, May 3, or pre-order the digital version, which will be released on Friday, April 30.


This episode includes an interview with JamBase CEO Dave Onigman, conducted by Dave and Brian from the Undermine team. We also have a song recommendation from Cluster Flies from each member of the Undermine team. We hope you enjoy this amazing compilation.


These Phish covers were recorded by Umphrey’s McGee’s Brendan Bayliss, Club d’Elf, Daniel Donato, Chris Forsyth, Neal Francis, Jennifer Hartswick, Amy Helm, Lindsay Lou, Reed Mathis, White Denim’s James Petralli, Strand Of Oaks, Sylvan Esso, William Tyler, Sadler Vaden, Vetiver, Ryley Walker, and a supergroup led by Tim Palmieri (which includes our very own Amar Sastry).

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 29, 2021
TEASER: Alive Again
00:01:38

Alive Again is a limited series podcast exploring the solo career of Trey Anastasio.


Based on extensive interviews with Trey and his bandmates and collaborators, Alive Again will dive into evolution of Trey’s songwriting and creative development, as well as the enduring career of the Trey Anastasio Band.


The show will also cover Trey’s memories composing with Ernie Stires, his orchestral work, and his Broadway experience. The band’s experience with The Beacon Jams will be explored as well.


Coming this Summer. Visit https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/alive-again/ for more info and to sign up for our email newsletter.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 14, 2021
Building The Community
01:04:09

On the season finale of Undermine, we hear from fans who saw Phish in the 1980s, and hear their perspectives on the band’s development as they grew from a college bar band into a regional phenomenon. In addition, we hear how tape trading first entered the Phish community, and how it fueled the band's growth. Finally, we speak to Paul Languedoc, Phish’s longtime sound engineer and Trey’s guitar maker. We hear about his life and career, how he came to work for Phish, and the band's progression toward the 1990s.


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you this summer for Season Two.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 07, 2021
The Moment of Inspiration
00:50:17

This week, we take a step back to examine Phish’s November 23, 1985 show at Goddard College, with a specific focus on the 27-min Whipping Post. During this show, Mike Gordon had an epiphany & decided he wanted to pursue music for the rest of his life. The jam in question shares a lot in common with early jamming from The Grateful Dead. We explore Phish’s relationship to The Dead, and focus comparing the two band’s during their formative years as well as looking at where The Dead was when Phish was originating. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 31, 2021
Paradise Found
00:50:26

This week, we look at Phish’s legendary show from the Paradise Rock Club, in Boston, on January 26, 1989. In yet another example of Phish refusing to play by the rules set by mainstream music, the band rented out the room and sold tickets against it. We hear from one of the guys who was involved in helping to sell out the show, and we talk about the band’s forays into Boston and New York in 1989. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Nick Cejas, Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 24, 2021
Junta
00:33:21

In this episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall guides us through the making and release of Junta, Phish’s first official debut album. Interviews with Junta audio engineer, Gordon Hookailo, Junta cover-artist Jim Pollock, Phish’s first manager Ben Hunter and others who remember this pivotal time in Phish history. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 17, 2021
Westward Expansion and Improvisation
00:42:48

This week, we go Westward, to explore Phish’s trip to Colorado in 1988 in more detail, and to dive into the Mike’s Song from August 3, 1988. Dave and Brian also talk about King Crimson and Genesis, and the way those bands influenced Phish.


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company


If you enjoy Undermine, please give us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. 

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 10, 2021
The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday
01:02:40

How did a college project about the mythical land of Gamehendge become one of the most intriguing pieces of Phish lore? And how did The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday fit into the evolution of Phish in the important years of 1987 and 1988?


In this episode of Undermine, RJ, Matt, Jonathan and Brad discuss Phish in 1987 and 1988, including how the band’s sound changed as they solidified into the four-piece they are today, how new songs changed their playing and approach to the live shows, the importance of The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, and how an excursion to Colorado in 1988 affected the band’s development. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 03, 2021
The Early Compositions
00:54:56

Core to the music of Phish are complex, evolving, emotionally moving compositions. Many of these early songs—Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Foam, and others—remain highlights of the live experience. These songs created early in Phish’s career have stood the test of time, but what makes them so special? 


In this episode, we’ll hear about three of these songs from Don Hart, the composer and arranger who has worked with Trey Anastasio for more than 15 years; and Drew Hitz, a classically trained musician and Phish fan. Don and Drew will walk us through these songs and talk about why they are such enduring pieces of Phish’s catalog. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 24, 2021
The 80s Rock Scene
00:54:27

Phish’s song David Bowie combines quirky lyrics with an intricate musical arrangement that’s fit for a symphony. Starting with a discussion of the spirit and substance of this song, and a focus on the 8/29/87 version, Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein then use 1980s Phish to examine other notable bands from the decade like Minutemen, Yo La Tengo, Hüsker Dü, and R.E.M. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 17, 2021
The Early Shows
01:06:49

How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound. 


In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Visit SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the promo code UNDERMINE for 20% off your purchase of premium quality CBD products.


Start your path toward investments that align with your values. Visit www.greenfuturewealth.com and mention "Osiris" when scheduling your free virtual consultation to receive your free investment report.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 10, 2021
The Origins
00:58:33

How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth?


In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s. 


Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


Visit SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the promo code UNDERMINE for 20% off your purchase of premium quality CBD products.


Start your path toward investments that align with your values. Visit www.greenfuturewealth.com and mention "Osiris" when scheduling your free virtual consultation to receive your free investment report.


Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 03, 2021
Undermine Trailer
00:02:18

Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 13, 2021
079:Two Versions of Me
00:46:32

This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021.

In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003.


If you are currently an Under the Scales subscriber, you don’t have to do anything — you will automatically be subscribed to the new podcast Undermine. Otherwise, subscribe NOW to not miss any amazing Phishy, weekly content!


Special Thanks to Mark Dowd - original Producer for Under the Scales, photo artist AND designer of the famous Under the Scales logos over the years.


Thanks to Anna Marshall who sang on both Under the Scales intro-jingles AND was a great guest.


Thanks to Nick Cejas for somehow always getting Under the Scales to bubble up to the top of the Osiris Media social feeds.


Thanks to Christina Collins for exemplary sponsorship and advertising work for Under the Scales.


Thanks to Adam and Kirsten and the Osiris team for overwhelming support and encouragement.


Thanks interns Sammy and Matt for all your hard work!


Thanks to Matt Dwyer for helping me out of tough audio fixes now and again.


Thanks to Jesse Lauter for REALLY saving my bacon TWICE with completely broken interview audio that somehow you magically fixed!


Thanks to Tebo for being there always.


Thanks to Scott Herman for finding the right words.


Thanks to Scott Gray for keeping the dream alive.


Thanks Trey for the music and mystery!


Thanks Beth Rowles on the Phish team for so much help and support.


Thanks Patrick and Jason at Red Light for endless and tireless assistance.


Thanks to my amazing Reefers!


Thanks to my faithful longtime listeners!


Thanks to my brand new listeners and everyone in-between!


Thanks to all the amazing guests who appeared on Under the Scales!


Thanks to RJ Bee for saying “yes, and…” — plus, literally everything else.


Hugs to my family for dealing with living in the same house as a podcaster…it’s not always easy!


It’s been a great ride!


Love, from Tom

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 28, 2020
078:A Special Announcement
01:04:25

UNDERMINE comes to life!! What is Undermine? It's a new podcast!!! It is nothing short of the biggest and best Phish podcast ever. The "Big Three" Osiris Phish podcasts, Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond are merging to form the new go-to WEEKLY Phish podcast, Undermine. Weekly we said, you read that correctly...we are going to have the hosts of all the three shows working together to bring you stunning Phishy content every week. Undermine will excavate the deep history of the band through interviews, in-depth analysis of the band’s music, and looks at broader musical themes and influences. This episode is hosted by Tom Marshall from Under the Scales, RJ Bee from HF Pod and Brian Brinkman from Beyond the Pond. We give you an idea of what to expect with Undermine.


Also -- listen to this episode and something will jump out at you -- not RJ's jokes...but rather, the MUSIC! Amar Sastry, known as @brahmin_noodles on Twitter, is famous for his beautiful guitar renderings of Phish songs. We're so lucky to have gotten him to provide unbelievable original music for Undermine, and we preview it here! You will thank us.


We also each personally select a jam for your listening pleasure.


We hope you enjoy. Undermine premiers in February 2021 with the full compliment of hosts from the three shows: Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein from Beyond the Pond, RJ Bee, Matt Dwyer, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook from HF Pod, and Tom Marshall from Under the Scales.


MUSIC:


8/3/98 Halley’s>

2/28/03 Gin >

8/16/09 Number Line

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 07, 2020
077:Mountains in the Mist
00:41:14

Tom is joined by fellow Osiris podcaster Mike Finoia (Comes a Time). Mike pilots the submarine as they do a deep dive into the 1998 Phish song Mountains in the Mist. Awaken beasts!


----


Get 15% off your order of CBD products at Sunset Lake CBD with the code "SCALES15"


Visit Synlawn.com/scales and enter to win a FREE 5x7 turf area rug, which you can use for yoga, bring on camping trips, indoor recreation, or simply to rest your feet in the grass while you watch TV


Visit buyraycon.com/sor up to 20% off your order of Raycon headphones

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 30, 2020
076:November 1995 with Brad Sands
00:52:43

This November, the top 3 Osiris Phish podcasts are focusing on November 1995 - a great era in Phish history. Under the Scales welcomes back Brad Sands who appeared two years ago on Episode 40 in June 2018. Brad and Tom today discuss Phish’s November 1995. Coming after their ambitious cover of The Who’s Quadrophenia for Halloween that year, Phish was off to the races. Their playing was stellar, and their antics were top-shelf Phish. Listen to Brad look back at that era as he relives it show-by-show. 

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 02, 2020
075:This Isn't Happening
01:04:09

Fall 2000 was a tumultuous time — politics were dividing the country, the internet was advancing faster than society could keep up, and the recording industry was undergoing major change. We take another look at this time through the lens of another band, Radiohead. Steven Hyden, author of a great book “This isn’t Happening” about Radiohead’s revolutionary album “Kid A” which came out in October 2000, joins Tom for a discussion which covers Phish, Radiohead and everything in between.


This Isn’t Happening can be found here: 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0306845687/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_x_tSkLFb0QVX3ZZ


Steven Hyden co-hosts an Osiris podcast of his own about the Grateful Dead called 36 From the Vault.

https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/36-from-the-vault/

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 26, 2020
074:Fall 2000 Pt. 2
00:42:10

As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this second of two episodes, Tom interviews John Paluska who was Phish’s first manager. John sheds light on Phish’s decision to take their first hiatus after playing hard on the road for 17 years.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 05, 2020
073:Fall 2000 Pt. 1
01:06:41

As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this first of two episodes, Tom interviews Andy Gadiel, the founder of Jambase, who was at every show for the latter part of this tour. Andy sheds light from the audience perspective on what it meant to have the band take their first break from touring for 17 years.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 05, 2020
072:Lyric Dive Leaves
00:17:32

RJ and Tom dive deeply to examine the Phish song Leaves.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 21, 2020
071:Bob Lefsetz
01:01:12

Tom talks with Bob Lefsetz, music industry analyst, author, podcaster and Phish fan about the state of music in the world today.


Check out the Lefsetz Letter archive: https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/


Subscribe to the Lefsetz Letter: https://lefsetz.com/lists/?p=subscribe&id=1


Get 15% OFF sitewide at Sunset Lake CBD - use promo code SCALES15


Visit SYNLAWN.com to learn more about the environmentally friendly alternative to grass.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 07, 2020
070:Lyric Dive Chalkdust Torture
00:27:34

RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Chalkdust Torture


Get 15% OFF Sunset Lake CBD with promo code SCALES15

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 17, 2020
069:Vance Powell
01:05:36

Tom speaks to the multiple grammy-winning producer, engineer and mixer responsible for so much of the great music we all listen to, Vance Powell. Recently having completed co-production of Sigma Oasis, he tells us how he got here and about some of the other fantastic artists who rely upon him to create their own signature sound.


Audio Engineer: Jesse Lauter @jesselauter

Audio Engineer: Matt Dwyer @mdphunk

Photography: Rene Huemer @rene_huemer

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 03, 2020
068:Lyric Dive Evening Song
00:14:57

RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Evening Song

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 30, 2020
Rebroadcast: Trey's Ghost Story
01:35:35

This episode is a rebroadcast from June 2018: Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews Tom on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. Tom & RJ call a special guest to answer some additional questions.


We are sadly unable to deliver a new episode as planned this week due to an unexpected health issue - see more information on the Under the Scales Twitter page here: https://twitter.com/UnderTheScales


We hope you understand, and will bring you a new episode as soon as possible. In the meantime, please enjoy this rebroadcast of a crowd favorite - Trey's Ghost Story.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 27, 2020
067:Don Hart
00:58:11

Tom is joined by a very special guest for the new Under the Scales season premier. Don Hart is a Nashville composer and arranger, and has been working with Trey since 2004 to add beautiful orchestration to so many of his songs. Don discusses working with Trey, and their technique, and illuminates the details behind many of their collaborations in a very musical episode.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 13, 2020
UTS Premium INSIDE THE REEF
00:04:00

Welcome to UTS Premium! Come Inside the Reef -- ad-free, early delivery, exclusive content -- see the free pin and free shirt!


www.osirispod.com/UTSP

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 08, 2020
066:Kevin Cassels
01:04:39

The secrets and stories behind the Pharmers Almanac Volume 6, bible to Phish fans when it came out in October 2000, are told by its creator Kevin Cassels. Fly backwards 20 years into Phish's remarkable history with Kevin and Tom.


Recorded by Julia Shuster

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 22, 2020
065:Billy Strings
00:53:12

The wonderful bluegrass sensation Billy Strings is on the show! Billy shares 5 important songs with Tom and explains how they influenced his career.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 25, 2020
064:Jesse Jarnow
00:53:24

Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress festival.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 30, 2020
063:CID Presents
01:11:56

Dan Berkowitz, founder and president of CID Presents is interviewed by Tom and RJ. What is CID Presents? How did they pull off yet another amazing Phish gala in Mexico? Why did Phish move to a different resort? What is CID doing next? All these questions and more, answered.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 11, 2020
062:Goose Part 2
00:52:29

Conclusion (Part 2). Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish).

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 30, 2020
061:Goose Part 1
01:03:39

(Part 1 of 2) Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish).

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 28, 2020
060:Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend
01:29:43

Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more.


RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally.


Please check out other Osiris podcasts Still Chasing, Freak Flag Flying, 36 from the Vault and Phemale-Centrics.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 13, 2020
059:Pink Talking Cal Kehoe
00:52:41

Cal Kehoe, guitarist for Pink Talking Fish, talks music with Tom. The two met exactly 10 years ago, and have written three songs together and shared a stage at a Phish after show during the Bakers Dozen in 2017. Listen to Cal discuss PTF and the method and philosophy behind covering three bands.

There's a lot of music in this podcast. "Anthony" from Sonic Boom Studios in Raritan NJ is mentioned several times...but not his last name for some reason...sorry Anthony KRIZAN!!! Anthony and Tom and Cal have written and recorded together.

Those songs along with a lot of Pink Talking Fish are played. Tom and Cal's song Limbo is discussed and played in its entirety at the end of the show.

 

(BTW...yes, we know that it's actually "Sheep" and not "Dogs".)

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 15, 2019
058:Beyond the Pond Best Albums
01:17:47

Another Osiris podcast, Beyond the Pond, has compiled their top-30 albums of the decade. Tom talks to them about their motivations and the thoughts behind making such an epic compilation. We hear music from each of the hosts' top-10 selections.

Brian Brinkman's top 10 albums:

Brian’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:     

01. The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream 

02. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest

03. The National: High Violet

04. Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires Of The City,

05. Low: Double Negative,  

06. The Walkmen: Heaven

07. Cass McCombs: Tip Of The Sphere

08. Beach House: Teen Dream

09. Bon Iver: Bon Iver

10. The National: Trouble Will Find Me,

 

David Goldstein's top 10 albums:

David’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:

01. Robyn: Body Talk 

02. The National: High Violet

03. HAIM: Days Are Gone

04. The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream,  

05. Sturgill Simpson: Metamodern Sounds In Country Music

06. The Horrors: Primary Colours

07. Wooden Ships: V

08. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy,  

09. Cut Copy: Zonoscope

10. Viet Cong: Viet Cong

 

Beyond The Pond on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7pVgB1jEqrwmWzsTPzkwGj

 

 

 

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 18, 2019
Special Edition: After Midnight
00:06:55

We want to tell you about a new show from Osiris, After Midnight. It tells the story of Phish’s groundbreaking festival on the eve of the new millennium, Big Cypress. Phish built a city for 80,000 fans in the Everglades, and capped off the festival by playing for 7 hours, ending the concert during sunrise on January 1, 2000. This five-episode series includes interviews with band members Trey Anastasio and Jon Fishman, fans and crew, and looks back on one of the most unique performances in music history. We're going to play the trailer for you now. Please listen, and go to osirispod.com/aftermidnight to subscribe. 

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 13, 2019
057:Lyrics Dive 4
00:43:01

Listening can make you wonder. If you've ever wondered about the songs: Dirt, Guyute, Undermind or Light, then listen to this lyrics-analysis podcast and perhaps pieces will fall into place for you. But keep wondering anyway.

 

Photo Credit: Tom Marshall

Photo Art: Mark Dowd

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 14, 2019
056:Lyrics Dive 3
00:42:53

The lyrics for 3 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. The Wedge, Crowd Control and No Men in No Mans Land are all on the table.

 

produced by RevoiceMedia.com

Photo credit: Jay Sweet

 

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 30, 2019
055:Scott Aukerman
01:15:07

From 2011 to 2014 there was an amazing Phish podcast called Analyze Phish hosted by Scott Aukerman and Harris Wittels. Once it ended, Tom Marshall, saw an opportunity for another Phish podcast and launched Under the Scales in 2016. In this episode, Tom interviews one of the Analyze Phish hosts, Scott Aukerman. This episode contains clips from the Analyze Phish podcast:

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/a-different-angle/

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/phish-live-in-ny/

Special thanks to Scott Aukerman, RJ Bee and Earwolf’s friendly staff.

Thanks to producers Nick Ruffini and Kirsten Cluthe of RevoiceMedia.com.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 09, 2019
Special Edition: Tapes Archive
00:45:53

Under the Scales is proud to preview a full episode from Osiris' newest podcast, The Tapes Archive. This one features an interview with Trey Anastasio from 1993 -- a key moment in Phish's growth and transition to a national act.

Subscribe here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tapes-archive/id1477111579

Check out: https://www.thetapesarchive.com

Produced and engineered by: revoicemedia.com

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 29, 2019
054:Waterwheel
00:59:20

Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders: Beth Montouri Rowles, Matthew Beck and Henry Schwab.

Produced by RevoiceMedia.com

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 22, 2019
053:Ticketing with CashOrTrade
00:54:03

Tom speaks with Brando Rich of CashOrTrade.org. Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands. The ticket secondary market is examined. Buyers often face steep markups, but there are new methods being employed to get more face-value tickets to fans. Produced by revoicemedia.com.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 17, 2019
052:Lyrics Reprise
01:49:39

The lyrics for 5 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. Scents & Subtle Sounds, Walls of the Cave, Joy, Steam and Pebbles & Marbles are all on the table. Is there a nod to David Bowie in Joy? Is there a very valuable Walls of the Cave T-Shirt about to hit the auction block? Did Tom's dad accidentally steer him off the electrical engineering track and into rock lyrics? Did Tom's voice slip unnoticed onto an actual Phish album? Was Steam composed on an iPad? Did a Walls of the Cave prank sow the seeds for Kasvot Vaxt? YES is the likely answer to all the above. Only one way to get the details...jump in to UTS Episode 52: LYRICS REPRISE!

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 27, 2019
051:Deep Dive into Lyrics
01:09:33

In this episode, Tom dives into the meaning of five popular Phish songs, chosen by co-hosts Tebo Thomas and RJ Bee: Wading in the Velvet Sea, Blaze On, Horn, Bug and Life Boy.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 28, 2019
050:Kevin Statesir
01:05:19

Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days. Kevin’s long history in the music biz includes brushes with John Lennon and Keith Richards. Kevin also discusses Trey’s efforts to help with the hurricane-ravaged island of Tortola, Please check out http://trey.com/tortola-relief/ to learn more.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 25, 2019
049:Mike Gordon Part 2
01:08:12

A sampling of Mike’s music accompanies further discussion about the creative process. Mike’s solo projects are covered, and songs highlighted. Mike’s motives for each subsequent project seems to change as his collaborations with admirable artists continues to abound. However, Scott Murawski emerges as possibly Mike’s longest collaborator. Mike discusses his extensive journals he keeps about his playing, and gives us a glimpse into these as he shares the best jams from previous tours. Mike turns the mic around and interviews Tom about songwriting with a few insightful questions.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 18, 2019
048:Mike Gordon Part 1
01:02:49

Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2. Mike is a bass player, bandleader, consummate collaborator, songwriter, inventor. Mike speaks on the metaphysics of groove. See where this is going? WAS MIKE ALMOST IN THE WHO??

Crazy how many topics we covered, couldn’t get it done in one hour, so enjoy part 1 of the interview now, part 2 coming at you next Monday!

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 11, 2019
047:New Years Countdown with Scott Marks
01:28:46

For the Season 2 closer of Under the Scales, Mockingbird member Scott Marks - also known as @bizarchive - helps Tom rank the best New Years shows in the Phish 3.0 era.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 17, 2018
046:The Kasvot Vaxt Halloween Prank
01:46:42

On Halloween 2018 in Las Vegas, Phish's costume entailed becoming a Scandinavian dance-pop band from the 80's. How? Why? I talk to my pals to sort it all out.

Guests:

Brian Brinkman,

David Steinberg,

Craig Hillwig,

Jen Bernstein,

RJ Bee,

Stephen "Tebo" Thomas,

Scott Gray

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 26, 2018
045:Scott Rogowsky
00:56:12

Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz!

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 29, 2018
044:Annabel Lukins
01:10:14

Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 10, 2018
043:Scott Metzger
01:17:52

JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands!

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 27, 2018
042:Nugs.net
00:59:29

Tom and RJ interview Brad Serling, founder of Nugs.net, the company that powers LivePhish and gets webcasts into your home.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 30, 2018
041:Ben & Jerry's
00:35:38

Tom is joined by Jay Curley of Ben & Jerry's, the ice cream company, to discuss their multi-year relationship with Phish. Engineer: Brian Stollery

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 02, 2018
040:Brad Sands
01:06:56

Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 25, 2018
039:Trey's Ghost Story
01:35:34

Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews me on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. We call a special guest to answer some additional questions.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 11, 2018
038:Federal Donuts
00:54:08

I interview Felicia D’Ambrosio, one of the partners of Federal Donuts who supplied all the donuts for Phish’s Baker’s Dozen shows July and August 2017. We learn about stairwells, Neil Young, and that holes are a flavor.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 28, 2018
037:Dicks 2017
00:53:00

I wander around the Dicks lot during the Phish shows in September 2017 in Denver. I meet and talk to a lot of people including Bethany Barker of Phish Chicks and Paige Clem of the Phellowship. Music, art, glassware, sandwiches, nitrous, artificial legs, tributes to lost fans and guidance aplenty.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 21, 2018
036:The Pinsky Triangle
01:02:29

Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur. YouTube version of the podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 26, 2018
035:Andy Gadiel
01:00:07

For our Season-ending episode I am joined by the founder of Jambase.com -- Andy Gadiel ushered Phish and fans into the internet age with one of the very first band websites on the World Wide Web. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 23, 2017
034:Andy Bernstein
00:52:05

Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount, talks to Tom about multiple Phish-related projects.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Oct 09, 2017
033:Scott Herman
01:00:47

Scott Herman and Tebo inflict severe Q&A upon Tom. Scott, for those unaware, has 18 or more Phish songwriting credits to his name. Also: the REAL *Helping Friendly Book* is revealed.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 18, 2017
032:Phil and Friends Q&A
01:34:54

Big Phil and Medium Phil, both longtime Phish friends and fans, stop by to ask Tom questions...only, they forgot the questions. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Sep 04, 2017
031:Live Stream
00:44:39

Eli Tishberg tells us about directing the video feed that allows us to see Phish live in our living rooms in unparalleled quality. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 21, 2017
030:Jazz is Phish
00:54:31

Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 14, 2017
029:Posters
00:58:41

in the studio with Jim Pollock and David Welker, the two cornerstones of the Phish poster phenomenon. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Aug 07, 2017
028:Petrea Kelly Q+A
00:54:12

Petrea Davis and Kelly Baines swim Under the Scales to inflict another Q&A upon Tom. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 17, 2017
027:Tale of Two Songs
01:11:22

Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 10, 2017
026:KellyMorris
00:46:21

Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store! YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jul 03, 2017
025:Yossarian
00:48:03

Yossarian Kelly, early friend of the Dead, early phan, early bird when it comes to growing cannabis legally, calls UTS from Washington to check in. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 19, 2017
024:GarrettPhillips
00:44:43

Garrett Phillips -- also known as PlusSizeModel on PhantasyTour -- describes, among other things, how to pack for a 35 month prison vacation. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 12, 2017
023:Steve Martocci
00:46:31

GroupMe founder and Phish super-fan Steve Martocci talks about collaboration and inspiration on a beautiful day in New York City. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jun 05, 2017
022:Andrea Nusinov
00:44:53

Andrea is an amazing Phish photographer who shares secrets on how her hobby took off! She also captures moments and the feeling we forgot. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 15, 2017
021:Questions Answers 1
01:07:19

A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt... YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 08, 2017
020:Holly Bowling 2
00:43:20

Holly Bowling continues entrancing us with her musical powers...and disassembles my piano! YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

May 01, 2017
019:Holly Bowling 1
00:47:17

Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better! YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 17, 2017
018:Benjy Eisen 2
00:59:24

The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 10, 2017
017:Benjy Eisen Part 1
00:45:58

Benjy Eisen talks about the wonderful book, Deal, he co-wrote with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Apr 03, 2017
016:PhanArt
00:40:17

Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing...

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 20, 2017
015:Phish Companion
00:42:24

I speak with Phillip Zerbo, co-editor for the incredible Phish Companion Volume 3. Can 30 years fit into 900 pages? YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 13, 2017
014:RELIX
00:46:27

Mike Greenhaus gives us an amazing perspective on how Relix magazine has been involved in and crucial to the jam scene since its inception. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mar 06, 2017
013:Runaway Gin
00:49:17

RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 20, 2017
012:TreyGuitars2
00:46:18

Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 13, 2017
011:TreyGuitars1
00:57:16

Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Feb 06, 2017
010:McLovins
00:47:47

Jake Huffman catches me up on the McLovins. Remember the YEM video from 2008 when they were 14 years old?? YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 16, 2017
009:Higher Thymes
00:49:10

Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 09, 2017
008:Flotation
00:37:31

Tom Bazis is my guide into the infinite...his business is flotation and sensory deprivation and pure relaxation. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jan 02, 2017
007:Dude of Life
00:59:22

Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 19, 2016
006:Setlist Tees
00:33:36

Ryan Stanley joins me in the studio to discuss his T-shirt business, Amfibian, a movie and other stuff. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 12, 2016
005:PhantasyTour
00:53:25

Paul Glace, founder of PhantasyTour.com, is featured. We discuss the site's origins and how it grew to the incredible Phish fan destination it is today. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dec 05, 2016
004:Timer
00:55:45

I interview David Steinberg, long-time Phish fan and the band's unofficial statistician. He's an author and extreme long-distance touring expert. He also times shows...and has the scars to prove it. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 21, 2016
003:Tapers
00:52:17

Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 14, 2016
002:Riding the Rail
00:40:01

Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 07, 2016
001:The Songwriting Weekend
00:33:21

In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a *horrifying* start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret backstory for the song Twist" -- and it really is. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 07, 2016
000:Let's Take a Ride
00:17:30

My producer, Mark Dowd, and I take a ride through Trey's and my old grade-school, and discuss some history and motivation behind the Under the Scales podcast. YouTube version of this podcast.

 

See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Nov 07, 2016