Child Care Rockstar Radio

By Kris Murray

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Child Care Rockstar Radio is the podcast for child care owners, daycare leaders, and early childhood education entrepreneurs who want to grow a stronger, more profitable child care business. Hosted by Jennifer Conner, CEO of The Child Care Success Company, each episode features conversations with child care experts, preschool owners, and industry leaders who share practical strategies for child care leadership, enrollment growth, marketing, team culture, and business success. If you run a child care center, daycare, or preschool program, this podcast will help you build the systems, leadership skills, and mindset needed to grow your program and create a lasting impact on children, families, and your community.

Episode Date
Ep. 225 — The Real Reason You Can't Let Go with Barbara Tedrow
Apr 16, 2026
Ep. 224 — This is Why It Still Keeps Coming Back To You with Toni Bedford
Apr 02, 2026
Ep. 223 — Protect What You've Built with Sharita Brown
Mar 19, 2026
Ep. 222 — When Loving Kids Isn't Enough with Michael Ingram
Mar 05, 2026
Ep. 221 — Happier Mamas, Happier Babies with Camille St. Martin
Feb 19, 2026
Ep. 220 - Becoming Stronger and Getting Better Each Day with Cynthia Maher
Feb 05, 2026
Ep. 219 - Having a Seat at the Right Table Is Everything with Kyleigh Tolman and Keaton Ross
Jan 22, 2026
Ep. 218 - Stamp Your Center's Footprint in the Community with Megan Ferring
Jan 08, 2026
Ep. 217 - Not Your Typical Childcare Center with LaVonda Paul
Dec 18, 2025
Ep. 216 - What "Trust the Process" Really Means with Kris Murray
Dec 04, 2025
Ep. 215 - How Disney's Service Values Can WOW Your Customer with Vance Morris
Nov 20, 2025
Ep. 214 - Fixing a Broken Culture with Intentional Leadership with Ashanti Ordone
Nov 06, 2025
Ep. 213 - Getting Your Operational "Stuff" Together with Jami Hartmann
Oct 23, 2025
Ep. 212 - Leveraging Word of Mouth Marketing for Fast Growth with Josh and Pamela Hernandez
Oct 09, 2025
Ep. 211 - Chasing Cows and Building Dreams Into a 12-Center Empire with Jennifer House and Jenni Grawvunder
Sep 25, 2025
Ep. 210 - When You Love Kids This Much, Success Comes Naturally with Dominique Gill
Sep 11, 2025
Ep. 209 - A Family Affair! Tales of a Multi-Generational ECE Company with Tea Shong and Trina Romanowski
Aug 28, 2025
Ep. 208 - Creating Leadership Magic In Her Ruby Slippers with Rachel Supalla
Aug 14, 2025
Ep. 207 - You Can't Save Your Way to Success with Gigi Schweikert
Jul 31, 2025
Ep. 206 - Leadership Lessons in Child Care with Regina Miller
Jul 17, 2025
Ep. 204 - From Home to Center: Young Leadership in Action with Whitney Burkman
Jul 03, 2025
Ep. 203 - What's Your Customer Journey? (And Why You Should Care) with Brett Nelle
Jun 19, 2025
Ep. 202 - A Great Story of Scaling Up and Growth with Adrianne Agulla
Jun 05, 2025
Ep. 201 - Gamification in Parenting AND Business with Zac Alcampo
May 22, 2025
Ep. 200 - Every Day Is A Gift with Vernon Mason
May 08, 2025
Ep. 199 - Follow Your True Calling with Rachel Davis
Apr 24, 2025
Ep. 198 - Be The CEO of Your Life with Jessica Harris
Apr 08, 2025
Ep. 197 - Creating an Extended Family In Her Community with Neshanta Linson
Mar 27, 2025
Ep. 196 - What Does ECE Stand For? Empathy-Courage-Excellence with The Sisters (M. Mercedes & Maria Consuela)
Mar 13, 2025
Ep. 195 - Stack Your WINS for Massive Momentum with Jacob Jensen
Feb 27, 2025
Ep. 194 - Creating Beauty From Tragedy with Michelle Masjedi
Feb 13, 2025
Ep. 193 - Feeling Alive in '25 with Tameenah Adams
Jan 30, 2025
Ep. 192 - Build a Great Team Around You with Thomas Brawner
Dec 31, 2024
Ep. 191 - The Power of Story with Brenda and Gordie McClay
Dec 19, 2024
Ep. 190 - Fail Your Way To Success with Constance Sholar Cherry
Dec 05, 2024
Ep. 189 - The Power of Story with Jon Sieber
Nov 21, 2024
Ep. 188 - What Would You Love with Kris Murray
Nov 07, 2024
Ep. 187 - The Inch Way: Steps to Create An Empowered School Culture with Kim Lannin
Oct 24, 2024
Ep. 186 - Deepen Your Roots and Succeeding Through Relationships with Ashley Varouhas
Oct 10, 2024
Ep. 185 - Never Lead From Fear with Silvia Sarhadian
Sep 26, 2024
Ep. 184 - The Path to Joy in Entreprenuership in Mother-Daughter Team with Patricia and Megan Williams
Aug 29, 2024
Ep. 183 - Leading Teams Out of Conflict and Into Collaboration with Tasha Santistevan
Aug 15, 2024
Ep. 182 - Empowering Growth in Adults and Children with Ashley Blackmon
Aug 01, 2024
Ep. 181 - Get Support for Your Business in a Disaster or Crisis with Militza Mezquita
Jul 18, 2024
Ep. 180 - Meet The Child Care Chic with Latrice Galloway
Jul 05, 2024
Ep. 179 - How to Increase Staff Retention by 10x in Seven Months with Crystal & Ricardo Romero
Jun 20, 2024
Ep. 178 - Becoming the Provider of Choice with Scott Whitaker
Jun 06, 2024
Ep. 177 - Confident Leadership & A Strong Marriage with Rick and Nancy Kodama
May 24, 2024
Ep. 176 - From Floater to Executive Director with Shannon Vasquez
May 09, 2024
Ep. 175 - Creating a World Worth Being In with Raj Jana
Apr 25, 2024
Ep. 174 - An "Easy Button" For Child Care Management with Daniel Andrews and Sasha Reiss
Apr 11, 2024
Ep. 173 - Unstoppable: A Global Vision of Massive Impact with Kishani Woldberhan
Mar 28, 2024
Ep. 172 - My Solo Adventure in Hawaii with Kris Murray
Mar 14, 2024
Ep. 171 - Lifting People Up with "Big-Ups" with Kim Harris
Feb 29, 2024
Ep. 170 - From Tolerating Mediocrity to Finding Big Momentum with John & Tracy LaBreche
Feb 15, 2024
Ep. 169 - A Huge Vision for Better Mental Health in Kids and Adults with Marissa and Sunflower
Feb 01, 2024
Ep. 168 - Know Your Market with Grafton Milne
Jan 18, 2024
Ep. 167 - How to Double Your Revenue In Less Than 12 Months With Barb Tedrow
Jan 04, 2024
Ep. 166 - Helping Moms Feel Comfortable and Supported with Maria Ahrens
Dec 21, 2023
Ep. 165 - The Latest on Loans and Funding To Grow Your ECE Business with Jessica Ferguson
Dec 08, 2023
Ep. 164 - A Legacy of Five Decades and Thousands of Families with Michael Ingram
Nov 09, 2023
Ep. 163 - From Venezuela to Florida: Driven By Impact with Maria Dos Santos
Oct 26, 2023
Ep. 162 - Fresh Ideas for Improving Parent Engagement & Relationships with Matt Arnerich
Oct 12, 2023
Ep. 161 - How to Exit Your Childcare Business the Right Way with Nathan Kelly
Sep 28, 2023
Ep. 160 - 27 To 7: Fighting For Disruption with Allyx Schiavone
Sep 14, 2023
Ep. 159 - New Practices for Emotional Intelligence in ECE with Dr. Donna Housman
Aug 31, 2023
Ep. 158 - From Transactional To Relational: Making an Impact for Families with Solomon and Michelle Logan
Aug 17, 2023
Ep. 157 - How to Create Waves of Positive Change In Your Communities with Robin Harris
Aug 03, 2023
Ep. 155 - New Tools and Inspiration for Struggling ECE Owners with Simon Laube
Jul 06, 2023
Ep. 154 - Built to Sell with Jennifer Conner
Jun 22, 2023
Ep. 153 - Becoming A Limitless Version of You with Amir Zoghi
Jun 15, 2023
Ep. 152 - Funding and Advocacy for ECE, Across All 50 States with Cindy Lehnhoff
Jun 08, 2023
Ep. 151 - The Hiring Success Formula with Ashley Ryan
May 25, 2023
Ep. 150 - Facing a Global Teacher Shortage: The Story from New Zealand with Sue Kurtovich
May 12, 2023
Ep. 149 - Culture Transformation Starts at the Top with Kaye Boehning
Apr 27, 2023
Ep. 148 - Lunch and Learn: Budgeting with Coach Ben Poswalk
Apr 13, 2023
Ep. 147 - Showing Up as a Leader with An Open Heart with Shonali Harrison
Mar 30, 2023
Ep. 146 - It's The Little Things! A Powerful Case Study of School Excellence with Beth Davis
Mar 16, 2023
Ep. 145 - A Harmonious and Playful Approach to Life with Kyle Brown
Mar 02, 2023
Ep. 144 - Meet This Year's Child Care Rockstar Winner with Tassia Araujo-Roper
Feb 17, 2023
Ep. 143 - Lunch and Learn: The Groundhog Day Economic Outlook with Kris Murray
Feb 02, 2023
Ep. 142 - The Real Truth About Boss Mode with Bruce Spurr
Jan 19, 2023
Ep. 141 - Motivating the Masses One Human At A Time with Lisa Nichols
Jan 05, 2023
Ep. 140 - Part 2 of My Spiritual Journey with Kirra Sherman
Dec 15, 2022
Ep. 139 - Part 1 of My Spiritual Journey: The Eckhart Tolle Retreat with Kris Murray
Dec 01, 2022
Ep. 138 - Real Talk About ECE Leadership with Ty'Heim Clark
Nov 17, 2022
Ep. 137 - Making Your Voice Heard: Advocacy in ECE with Ellen Reynolds
Nov 03, 2022
Ep. 136 - A Joyful Journey in Child Care with Tamara Jefferson
Oct 20, 2022
Ep. 135 - Getting Your Powerful Message to the Right Audience with Kim Walsh Phillips
Oct 06, 2022
Ep. 134 - A Growth Mindset in Action with Shana del Castillo
Sep 22, 2022
Ep. 133 - Innovation in the Classroom: A New Way to Help Kids Read with Jodi McMaster
Sep 08, 2022
Ep. 132 - Money is a Reflection of What You Feel You're Worth with Rachelle Calina
Aug 25, 2022
Ep. 131 - Using Mindfulness to Build Resilience with Dr. Kate Lund
Aug 11, 2022
Ep. 130 - Eliminating Isolation in This Crazy World with Maureen Thompson
Jul 28, 2022
Ep. 129 - How to Win The Hiring War: Real Talk About Staff Compensation with Donna Jensen and Pallone-Bugeja
Jul 14, 2022
Ep. 128 - The Miracle Morning For Educators & Leaders with Hal Elrod
Jun 30, 2022
Ep. 127 - Play and Wellness as Learning Foundations with Drew Vernon
Jun 16, 2022
Ep . 126 - Redefining Normal For Families and Kids with Justin Black
Jun 02, 2022
Ep. 125 - Changing the World of Non-Profit Education with Joan Dillon
May 19, 2022
Ep. 124 - Stronger Mindset, Stronger Business with Donna Naleway
May 05, 2022
Ep. 123 - The Secret of Being Happy Every Day with Marshall Goldsmith
Apr 21, 2022
Ep. 122 - The Real Deal on Eliminating Overwhelm from your Life with Tanya Dalton
Apr 07, 2022
Ep. 121 - Be the Change You Wish To See With Stephanie Parra
Mar 24, 2022
Ep. 120 - An ECE Pioneer: The Secrets of Her Success with Carol Levins
Mar 10, 2022
Ep. 119 - Helping Foster Growth In Others with Christine McNally
Feb 24, 2022
Ep. 118 - Elevating Hard Conversations with Little Ones with Dr. Lauren Starnes
Feb 10, 2022
Ep. 117 - Life Gives To the Giver with Andre Norman
Jan 27, 2022
Ep. 116 - What Makes a Great Preschool Brand with Isobel Wheatcroft
Jan 13, 2022
Ep. 115 - Flipping Challenges Into Confidence: A Powerful Love Story with Janaki Patel
Dec 23, 2021
Ep. 114 - Leaning Into Excellence with Jerzell Pierre-Louis
Dec 02, 2021
Ep. 113 - The Power of Being A Book Author with Mike Capuzzi
Nov 11, 2021
Ep. 112 - Creating a Win Out of the Great Resignation with Kris Murray
Oct 21, 2021
Ep. 111 - Feeling Alive In Your Work With Vernon Mason
Sep 30, 2021
Ep. 110 - Why Different Is Better Than Good with Mike Michalowicz
Sep 09, 2021
Ep. 109 - Keeping It Real: Why We Struggle With Being Good Leaders with Shelley Smith
Aug 19, 2021
Ep. 108 - Getting Back To Your Purpose with Love and Confidence with Joy Clore Willis
Jul 29, 2021
Ep. 107 - You Are a Badass: Believe in Yourself with Karina Wyllie
Jul 08, 2021
Ep. 106 - Meet Our New Second-In-Command: Driven By Connection and Impact with Tom O'Connor
Jun 17, 2021
Ep. 105 - How She Leads! The Power of a Growth Mindset with Jody Zabriskie
May 27, 2021
Ep. 104 - Training Half a Million Early Educators Over Two Decades with Maria Taylor
May 06, 2021
Ep. 103 - Planting SEEDs For Future Growth and Success with Mallorie Malloy-Coe
Apr 15, 2021
Ep. 102 - Scaling Your Company with Power in The Second Seat with Cameron Herold
Mar 25, 2021
Ep. 101 - Helping Employees Achieve Their Personal and Professional Dreams with Alix Hall
Mar 04, 2021
Ep. 100 - A New Season of Female Entrepreneurship with Ali Brown
Feb 11, 2021
Ep. 99 - Rolling With the Changes Into A Successful 2021 with Brittany Luther
Feb 04, 2021
Ep. 98 - Experiences Over Environment: How Your School Vibe Impacts Quality and Culture with Lori Buxton
Jan 28, 2021
Ep. 97 - Overcoming Licensing Challenges with Danielle Paige
Jan 21, 2021
Ep. 96 - Bringing High-Quality Care to Our Inner Cities with Jamarrion Tabor
Jan 14, 2021
Ep. 95 - 2020: Year in Review, Predictions, and Controversies with Kris Murray
Dec 31, 2020
Ep. 94 - The Five Guardians with Mecca Johnson
Dec 17, 2020
Ep. 93 - Choosing Broadway Over Mom's Basement with Bari Baumgardner
Dec 10, 2020
Ep. 92 - A Quest of Creative Culture Building with Rachel Supalla
Dec 03, 2020
Ep. 90 - A Dream of 10 Schools and a Cabin in the Woods with Chantel & Zack Pettengill
Nov 12, 2020
Ep. 89 - Never Giving Up: An Interview with Child Care Rockstar Winners 2020 with Heather Jensen and Diane Havens
Nov 05, 2020
Ep 88 - Why You Should Use a Family Wealth Office to Get Rich with Jim Dew
Oct 29, 2020
Ep. 87 - The Powerful Benefits of Using a Coach with Brian Duprey
Oct 08, 2020
Ep. 86 - Becoming a Stronger, More Resilient Leader with Nefertiti Poyner
Oct 01, 2020
Ep. 85 - The One About What Shark Tank Is Really Like (and much more) with Dave Vasen
Sep 24, 2020
Ep. 84 - The Everything School: Grow Your Leaders, Grow Your Empire with Tameenah Adams
Sep 17, 2020
Ep. 83 - Peeling Back the Layers: How to Feel Better and Help the People in Your Life Feel Better with Alyssa Campbell
Sep 10, 2020
Ep. 82 - A New Twist on Classic Topics in ECE: Quality, Diversity, Head Start, and More with Dr. Calvin Moore
Sep 03, 2020
Ep. 81 - Supporting Families with Integrity and Grit with Sarah Cudnik
Aug 27, 2020
Ep. 80 - Embracing the Pandemic: The Ultimate Leader Shift to the Positive with Linda Hassapis
Aug 20, 2020
Ep. 79 - Leadership and Mindset Shifts from an ECE Veteran with Pamela Piekarski
Aug 13, 2020
Ep. 78 - Best Practices for Successful Licensing Visits with Ronnae Williams
Aug 06, 2020
Ep. 77 - Four Steps to Get Out of the Overwhelm Loop with Kris Murray
Jul 30, 2020
Ep. 76 - Keys to Happiness: Eliminating Fear, Drama, and Negative Beliefs From Your Life Forever with Jody Marquis
Jul 16, 2020
Ep. 75 - Secrets to Maintaining Full Enrollment During a Crisis with Alvin Ayusa
Jul 09, 2020
Ep. 74 - What to Do When The World Doesn't Go Your Way with Tym the Trainer
Jul 02, 2020
Ep. 73 - How Profit and High Quality Can Go Hand In Hand with Vernon Mason
Jun 25, 2020
Ep. 72 - COVID-19 and The Early Childhood Business Climate: Trends and Innovations with Ron Spreeuwenberg
Jun 18, 2020
Ep. 71 - Case Study of a True Child Care Leadership Journey with Gary Peirce
Jun 11, 2020
Ep. 70 - Why Lifelong Learning Makes You a Better Leader with Ryan Hawk
Jun 04, 2020
Ep. 69 - Improving Health and Safety Processes in the Current Times with Martin Bing
May 30, 2020
Ep. 68 - How To Build Goodwill In Your Community And Get The Lions Share Of Inquiries with Bruce Spurr
May 19, 2020
Ep. 67 - Finding Hope and Stirring Up Your Own Inspiration with Donna Thornton-Roberts
May 07, 2020
Ep. 66 - How Dedication and Intention Make All the Difference with Lori Semke
Apr 23, 2020
Ep. 65 - Money and Mindset: Surviving the COVID-19 Crisis with Kris Murray
Apr 08, 2020
Ep. 64 - Legally Protecting Your School with Ron McGuckin
Mar 25, 2020
Ep. 63 - Passion and Purpose with Leslie Schreiber
Mar 12, 2020
Ep. 62 - Nurturing a Culture of Responsibility and Fairness with Veronica Nelson
Feb 26, 2020
Ep. 61 - Implementing Core Values From Top to Bottom with Karla McCurry
Feb 11, 2020
Ep. 60 - Rockstars Never Give Up with Danielle Paige
Jan 29, 2020
Ep. 59 - Empowering Staff, Understanding Data, and Committing to Culture with Neydary Zambrano
Jan 16, 2020
Ep. 58 - Crisis, Communication, and Planning with Jane Hulbert
Jan 02, 2020
Ep. 57 - Where There's a Will There's a Way with Victoria Lynch
Dec 18, 2019
Ep. 58 - Scaling Up Your School in Every Way with Nina Lemon
Dec 05, 2019
Ep. 55 - Getting to Know Judy Bradby, Child Care Rockstar Winner 2019 with Judy Bradby
Nov 19, 2019
Ep. 54 - 3 Key Principles of Think & Grow Rich with Kris Murray
Nov 06, 2019
Ep. 53 - Culture, Metrics, and Execution with Lisa Giancarli
Oct 08, 2019
Ep. 52 - What We Need to Know About School Security with Jason Russell
Sep 24, 2019
Ep. 51 - Making a Difference in a Big Way Smart Goals, Engagement, and Singing our Way to Success with Marcia St. Hilaire Finn
Sep 11, 2019
Ep. 50 - Asset Creation for Long Term Success with Kris Murray
Aug 27, 2019
Ep. 49 - How to Spot Teacher Burnout, and How to Manage It with Lety Carvajal and Raul Pineyro
Aug 13, 2019
Ep. 48 - Why It's Important to Have World Class Cameras In Your Program with Bobby Franzo
Jul 30, 2019
Ep. 47 - Playing for a Living with Glenn Morshower
Jul 17, 2019
Ep. 46 - Scaling Up with Mike Garatoni
Jul 02, 2019
Ep. 45 - Embracing Your Story with Les Brown
Jun 27, 2019
Ep. 44 - Tell Your Story, and Then Never Stop Telling It with Alison Pfeister and Alexandra Kroon
Jun 05, 2019
Ep. 43 - Overcoming Adversity and Bringing Out the Best In People with Leann and Jake Chamberlain
May 23, 2019
Ep. 42 - The Value of Embracing Sales with Eric Lofholm
May 06, 2019
Ep. 41 - Creating a Culture Where Children Come First with Jennifer Vazquez
Apr 23, 2019
Ep. 40 - Social Proof is Everything In Child Care Marketing with Troy Howard
Apr 10, 2019
Ep. 39 - What You Should Know About Preschool Insurance with Samantha Phillips
Mar 26, 2019
Ep. 38 - Implementation and Speed To Results with Michelle Smith-Lank
Mar 13, 2019
Ep. 37 - Digital Marketing and Social Media Strategies for Child Care with Kris Murray on The Preschool Podcast
Feb 27, 2019
Ep. 36 - Why a Values-Based Approach is a Game Changer for Companies Big and Small with Ann Rhoades
Feb 12, 2019
Ep. 35 - Bringing Positivity and Integrity into Child Care with Jennifer Slavin
Jan 29, 2019
Ep. 34 - Giving Children the World with Dawn Uribe
Jan 15, 2019
Ep. 33 - Goal Setting and Strategic Planning with Kris Murray
Jan 02, 2019
Ep. 31 - A Roadmap to Creating a Culture of Excellence and Collaboration with Sindye Alexander
Dec 06, 2018
Ep. 30 - Implementing the EOS Model with Heart with Stuart Robertson
Nov 21, 2018
Ep. 29 - Creating Montessori Centers of Excellence in London and Beyond with Arike Aiyetigbo
Nov 08, 2018
Ep. 28 - The Circle of Partnership with Charlie Marcotty and Marcy Lee
Oct 25, 2018
Ep. 26 - A Non-Traditional (and fun) Approach to Child Care with Andrea Wortman
Sep 27, 2018
Ep. 25 - Is M-A-T-H a Four-Letter Word in Your Business with Kris Murray
Sep 13, 2018
Ep. 24 - Fitness, Fun, and a Fancy School Bus with Josh Visser
Aug 30, 2018
Ep. 23 - A Relentless Focus on Positive, Healthy Culture with Joe and Lucy Lawrence
Aug 16, 2018
Ep. 22 - Strategy in Growth with Lucy Cook
Aug 02, 2018
Ep. 21 - How to Win in Digital Marketing with Bruce Spurr
Jul 19, 2018
Ep. 20 - The Epitome of Hustle with Don Alley
Jul 05, 2018
Ep. 19 - How to Get Great Reviews and Handle the Bad Ones with Sharon Foster
Jun 22, 2018
Ep. 18 - Family First with Steve Lloyd
Jun 07, 2018
Ep. 17 - The Beauty of Opportunity with Nan Rikard
May 24, 2018
Ep. 16 - Service Through Leadership with Julie Roy
May 10, 2018
Ep. 15 - Committed to Growth and Development with Ben Poswalk
Apr 05, 2018
Ep. 14 - Resources and Support for Childhood Education with Ron Spreeuwenberg
Mar 22, 2018
Ep. 13 - Defining Your Dream Life, Delegation, and Working From the Beach with Jennifer Conner
Mar 01, 2018
Ep. 12 - Fun, Flexibility, and Family with Tameenah Adams
Feb 15, 2018
Ep. 11 - Grow Your Enrollment, Improve the Industry and Change the World with Chuck Gibbs
Feb 01, 2018
Ep. 10 - Stay Recession Proof and Financially Healthy: A Compass and a Heart with Kris Murray
Jan 18, 2018
Ep. 9 - Expansion, Leadership and Just Plain Old Fun with Vernon Mason
Dec 28, 2017
Ep. 8 - Partners in Every Way with Brian and Carol Duprey
Dec 21, 2017
Ep. 7 - Overcoming Challenges with Kym Pomares
Dec 07, 2017
Ep. 6 - Changing the Life of the Child and Changing the World with Holly Elissa Bruno
Nov 23, 2017
Ep. 5 - The Power of Innovation and Collaboration with Marnie Forestieri
Nov 09, 2017
Ep. 4 - Complexity, Technology, and Competitive Advantage with Evan Goldman
Oct 26, 2017
Ep. 3 - Leading the Future Leaders with Donna Jensen
Sep 29, 2017
Ep. 2 - Raising the Level of Professionalism, Respect, and Hustle with Summer Picha and Katie Wagoner
Sep 29, 2017
Ep. 1 - The Beauty of Persistence with Kris Murray
Sep 29, 2017