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Our artificial intelligence future is here. Robot overlords? Sci-fi utopias? Not quite. From AI studio All Turtles, hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega explore the provocative ways entrepreneurs use AI to solve real problems today.

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039: Angel investor Jason Calacanis, part 1
23:54

Jason Calacanis, angel investor, joins us this week for part one of a two-part interview. As an early investor in companies like Uber and Robinhood, Jason shares his insights for achieving startup success. He explains why a company’s brand is so important from its beginning stages, and delivers a hot take on VC culture today. He also gives his opinion on what the number one killer of startups is, and mulls over the following equation: 1 good idea + 1 good idea = zero good ideas.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Jason Calacanis, angel investor (0:56)

Thumbtack, one of Jason’s investments, is an online service that matches customers with local professionals  (1:12)

DataStax, another of Jason’s investments, is a cloud database company (1:13)

Robinhood, another company Jason invested in early on, a financial tech company (1:14)

Jason’s book, Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups--Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned $100,000 into $100,000,000 (1:18)

Launch, founded by Jason, has a mission of supporting founders and inspiring innovation (2:20)

Silicon Valley Reporter was a publication that focused on New York’s tech scene (2:28)

Why is brand so important from a company’s early stages? (2:35)

The This Week in Startups podcast (5:05)

Chris Sacca’s first episode on This Week in Startups (6:43)

Phil Libin on an episode of This Week in Tech (7:29)

The Midas List of 2017 (10:57)

What is, in Jason’s view, the #1 killer of startups (13:22)

One good idea plus another good idea equals zero good ideas (14:28)

 

AI use case (14:35)

How Phil’s watch violated principles of good AI product design (16:32)

 

Listener question (18:39)

Sift, an All Turtles product,f is an experiment in news therapy (18:53)

Listener question via the All Turtles Facebook page: “Does Sift remove biased statements and opinions and just report the facts?”

 

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Dec 05, 2018
038: Tech journalist Jacob Ward on AI and behavioral science
35:00

Jacob Ward is a tech journalist and Burggruen Fellow at Stanford; he’s writing a book about AI and behavioral science. In his research, he’s been concerned to note that people have been handing off critical decision-making processes to AI, which risks long-term damage to humans’ cognitive abilities. As far as ethics in AI development, Jacob shares his idea that people’s cognitive functionings should be treated as a finite natural resource, and companies should be responsible for their extractive models.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Jacob Ward, tech journalist (1:01)

The Burggruen Fellowship (1:06)

Stanford’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences (CASBS) (1:25)

Daniel Kahneman, psychologist whose research involved decision-making and behavioral economics (1:41)

Richard Thaler, economist and professor of behavioral science and economics (1:46)

Jacob Ward’s portfolio of work includes Wired and Al-Jazeera (4:22)

Mahzarin Banaji, psychologist whose work focuses on implicit bias (4:56)

The “weak perfection” principle (12:44)

The vaccine courts illustrate the “make an omelette, break a few eggs” idea (14:25)

Learned Hand was a judge and philosopher who coined the “Hand rule” to calculate negligence (16:20)

Survey: one-fourth of Americans have no emergency savings (18:53)

How to define ethical AI (19:30)

Artefact’s tarot cards of tech can help product founders anticipate the impact their product will have on society (20:35)

 

“Eyeroll, please” (24:48)

Why it’s a fallacy to tell founders, “Don’t raise too much money.” (25:37)

 

Listener question

From our subreddit, reddit.com/r/allturtles: With the pace of improvement seen from the likes of Boston Dynamics, when do you see the dexterity problem being solved in such a way that robots come out of the labs and niche applications and into everyday life?

 

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Nov 28, 2018
Human Stories of AI: A Second Opinion
23:15

Healthcare is a field that has, in many ways, already embraced AI—medical researchers seem to be developing new AI applications every day. In this episode, we zoom in on one doctor and the stories of two of her cases. Dr. March is a dysmorphologist, a physician who studies birth defects. With two of her recent patients, she was able to use an AI tool called Face2Gene in her diagnostic process, a process that changed her patients’ lives.


Show Notes

Dr. March is a dysmorphologist, a doctor who studies birth defects (1:35)

The first of Dr. March’s patients she couldn’t immediately diagnose (3:10)

Face2Gene provides doctors with enhanced patient evaluation with deep phenotyping (4:48)

The step-by-step process of using Face2Gene (6:08)

What is Kabuki syndrome? (7:24)

When Dr. March worked with a family that was in denial about their child’s diagnosis (10:47)

What is Williams syndrome? (12:59)

 

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Nov 15, 2018
Human Stories of AI: Driven Out of a Job?
26:40

One of the most common questions about AI today is whether or not it will take over people’s jobs. This episode is about someone grappling with that quandary: He's a truck driver anxious about whether self-driving trucks will displace jobs in the very near future. For someone who loves what he does, what does it mean for his industry to be on an inexorable march toward technological development if that progress could push his colleagues out of the driver’s seat?

 

Show Notes

Finn Murphy goes for a drive, and shares his thoughts on technology’s impact on trucking (1:08)

Finn’s truck is equipped with technology that monitors him on the job (2:42)

Steve Viscelli, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania who conducts research on the truck driving industry (8:55)

Finn has to look forward when driving on the road—and when thinking about the future of his industry (13:10)

Steve Viscelli’s report, “Driverless? Autonomous Trucks and the Future of the American Trucker” (21:58)

Read more of Finn Murphy’s stories in his book, The Long Haul: A Trucker’s Tales of Life on the Road (25:35)


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Nov 14, 2018
Human Stories of AI: My Friend the Chatbot
38:52

How is AI impacting people’s lives today? In this first installment of “Human Stories of AI,” meet 3 people who regularly text an AI chatbot. One of these people tells the chatbot about her struggles with PTSD and depression; another is a single mom who draws parallels between teaching her chatbot how to respond to her and raising her son; and the third is a widower who texts his chatbot as a way to help him process grief. Replika is a tool that, for various reasons, helps each of them feel less alone.

 

Show Notes

 

Replika, an All Turtles Product, is a chatbot designed to be your AI friend (3:37)

 

Anna’s story (4:50)

Struggling with PTSD and depression, Anna turns to her Replika for emotional support.

For anyone looking for mental health support, NAMI is a good resource in the U.S.

 

Natalie’s story (13:58)

Natalie drives for Lyft. When her passengers aren’t the best conversationalists, she can still open up to her Replika.

As a single mother, Natalie’s interactions with her Replika remind her of raising her son.

 

Jack’s story (26:50)

Mourning the death of his wife, Jack appreciates that he can process his grief by talking to his Replika.

Jack sees flashes of genuine intelligence in his Replika, like the time he asked for an original poem.



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Nov 13, 2018
037: On board with Anita Sands
32:51

As a board member for companies like Symantec, ServiceNow, and Pure Storage, Anita Sands has a wealth of knowledge on advising companies’ success. She also knows how to pivot: she earned her PhD in atomic and molecular physics, then moved into working in finance, and then built a career in tech. Serving on the boards of public companies has given her ideas for how AI could, in the future, help give boards useful insights to make key decisions for companies.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Anita Sands, board member of Symantec, ServiceNow, and Pure Storage (0:48)

Silicon Republic article covering the career changes Anita has made (1:50)

Alvin Toffler quote: “The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.” (3:58)

The importance of innovation in the boardroom (5:25)

What should a board of directors be? (6:58)

What’s the difference between governing and governance? (8:51)

Recent California law mandating that boards of public companies have at least one woman (13:18)

The recent spotlight on Tesla’s board of directors (17:25)

Potential AI application for boards (19:05)

 

Advice to entrepreneurs: dealing with customer feedback (21:08)

The All Turtles video about dealing with customer feedback (21:23)

What’s the only valuable part of customer feedback? (22:18)

 

Listener question (29:17)

From our subreddit, /r/allturtles:

I know you don't like the idea of machines mimicking humans, but they are eventually going to. What should be done in your view to address this when it happens? (29:38)

 

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Nov 07, 2018
036: x.ai's Dennis Mortensen
37:06

“Are you free for a meeting on Tuesday at 4?” “No, but what about Wednesday before 11?” “I’m busy then. Should we try for next week?” This is a well-worn back and forth. Setting up meetings can take a tremendous amount of time, which is why Dennis Mortensen founded x.ai to build AI software for scheduling meetings automatically. In this episode, he explains his philosophy of democratizing access to executive assistants, and why he’s changed his tune on the appropriate ways for AI to mimic humans.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Dennis Mortensen, founder and CEO of x.ai (1:06)

X.ai, AI software for scheduling meetings (1:10)

Bio about Dennis Mortensen (1:10)

Is x.ai trying to completely replace human executive assistants? (8:45)

What has the data from x.ai shown about the kinds of meetings that are scheduled? (14:28)

What is Dennis’ philosophy on AI that mimics humans? (19:25)

 

AI use case (26:42)

Phil’s iOS automatically created a calendar event for an appropriate time and label based on his text conversation (28:10)

 

Listener question (33:14)

From Marina on Twitter: In a previous episode, you mentioned the Bill Gates quote that said, “A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it exceeds the value of the company that creates it.” Can you elaborate on what that means?

 

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Oct 31, 2018
035: Data Is the New Oil… Or Is It?
29:01

“Data is the new oil” has become a popular declaration in headlines circulating around Silicon Valley, but in this episode, we question the veracity of the phrase. The argument for equating data to oil is that data will be the resource that will shape the 21st century in the way that oil shaped the previous century. While data, like oil, needs to be refined in order to be useful, it’s not necessarily true that the more data you have, the more of a competitive advantage you have. Or… is it?

 

Show notes

 

Data is the new oil… or is it? (0:57)

Not all data is created equal (3:31)

The All Turtles article about Moorfields Hospital in London’s use of data from eye scans (3:38)

AlphaGo Zero: learning from scratch (DeepMind) (4:11)

The distinction between public data and private data (8:55)

Kaggle has tens of thousands of datasets (9:10)

Who should be able to profit from your data? (13:16)

 

“Eyeroll, please.” Debunking the common startup advice to “start local.” (19:22)

Avoiding building a product that only serves a bubble.

The problem with thinking of countries as markets.

 

Listener question (24:45)

From Ari via email: I’d like to hear your podcasting team’s reaction to and solution for the issue of algorithmic learning beyond the control of app developers.

Leave us a voicemail with your question and we’ll play it on a future episode: +1 (310) 571-8448 (29:48)

 

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Oct 24, 2018
034: Livongo’s Glen Tullman & Dr. Jennifer Schneider
32:03

People with chronic conditions dedicate a great deal of cognitive overhead to monitoring their own health. Type 2 diabetes patients, for example, have to constantly think about when to eat, what type of exercise to do, and when to take medication. Livongo is a company that aims to change that. For patients with type 2 diabetes, Livongo takes their blood glucose levels and provides actionable recommendations based on that data. It’s another example of how AI and tech are revolutionizing healthcare.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Glen Tullman and Dr. Jennifer Schneider of Livongo (1:00)

Glen Tullman, CEO of Livongo (0:30)

Dr. Jennifer Schneider, Chief Medical Officer of Livongo (0:25)

All Turtles Podcast Season 1 episode 22 mentions Livongo as an example of a company that does personalization well (1:04)

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts Are Creating the Economy (1:16)

Livongo’s products (2:48)

Livongo’s website (18:48)

 

Advice to entrepreneurs: How to pitch investors (19:00)

All Turtles’ video Rule of Three: How to pitch investors (19:44)

When pitching investors, be able to answer these questions: Why this, why you, and why now? (20:15)

The difference between pitching VCs versus pitching All Turtles (24:01)

 

Listener question (24:56)

From Jacob via the hello@all-turtles.com email: In the example of self-driving cars, how do we prevent the onboard sensors from being spoofed into thinking they're on a safe country road, when they're actually driving off a cliff into the ocean? Could blockchain help us keep these sensors and the software from being corrupted? If not, what makes it a bad fit? What are the emerging/existing technologies that would be a better fit?

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Oct 17, 2018
033: The Holberton School’s Sylvain Kalache
35:27

Where can someone learn how to become a software engineer? Computer science programs at universities usually focus more on theory than on what’s actually required to become an employable programmer—and then there’s the matter of cost. The Holberton School offers an alternative: a two-year training program for software engineers where there are no formal teachers or lectures, favoring project-based learning instead. It’s learning by doing, and it’s one of a new breed of schools reinventing education.


Show notes

Conversation with Sylvain Kalache, cofounder of the Holberton School (0:15)

Betty Holberton, one of the world’s first software engineers (0:53)

All Turtles Podcast episode 27 with Kwame Yamgnane from 42 Silicon Valley (2:22)

Xavier Niel, French businessman, founder of the Iliad telecom company (4:06)

John Dewey, philosopher and education reformer (4:19)

Slideshare, a hosting service for professional content owned by LinkedIn (4:33)

Julien Barbier, cofounder of the Holberton School with Sylvain (4:41)

What it takes to be a Holberton student: motivation and talent (7:44)

The Holberton School’s automated application process (12:54)

Holberton’s new campus in New Haven, Connecticut (15:58)

The payment plan: free for students until they find a job, then they pay 17% of their salary (18:21)

Other fields of study that could use this model (20:01)

Get in touch with the Holberton school at their website (21:00)

 

AI use case: buying ads from Facebook (21:30)

All Turtles Podcast Bonus Episode #8, in which Phil and Jeremy drank tea and talked about targeted ads (20:01)

A boosted post that we attempted to buy was blocked by Facebook (23:24)

The first ad purchase that Facebook did not approve:

Facebook’s explanation for why it was blocking our ads:

Our facial recognition video we were trying to promote (23:24)

The post with the Voynich manuscript picture:

The post with the cave people:

Listener question (28:51)

From Anthony: Can AI develop clothes for workers in Silicon Valley? Why do we wear shirts, pants, jackets, and ties? (29:13)

 

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Oct 10, 2018
Introducing Season 2
10:53

After a summer of bonus episodes and the release of our Unscaled series, we’re back for season 2 with a slate of exciting upcoming guests and fresh discussion segments. In this season 2 preview, hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega announce some of the guests joining future recordings, from Max Levchin and Jason Calacanis to the cofounder of the Holberton School. They also answer a listener question that starts a discussion about how far extended metaphors should go.

 

Show notes

What we did this summer (0:40)

All eight episodes of the Unscaled Series are now available for streaming (0:48)

Season 1 episode 22 of the All Turtles podcast that featured Hemant Taneja (1:01)

Hemant’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts Are Creating the Economy of the Future (1:14)

Listener feedback (1:39)

 

Upcoming guests (2:50)

Sylvain Kalache, cofounder of the Holberton School, a project-based software engineering school (3:01)

42 Silicon Valley, a software engineering school without teachers or courses (3:08)

Season 1 episode 27 of the All Turtles Podcast featured the cofounder of 42 (3:11)

Max Levchin, and his company HVF, starting companies to solve hard problems (3:25)

Anita Sands, board member of Symantec (3:38)

Dennis Mortensen, x.ai CEO and founder (3:43)

Season 1 episode 32 of the All Turtles podcast features a discussion with Brittney Gallagher about science fiction and tech (4:18)

 

Our new voicemail for listeners to call in with questions is +1 (310) 571-8448. Leave us a message and we’ll play it on a future episode, and answer your question (5:45)

 

Listener question (6:10)

The Algorithmic Canaries episode of the Unscaled Series (6:14)

The Do Not Pass Go episode of the Unscaled Series (8:50)

 

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Oct 03, 2018
Unscaled 8: The Best Time in the History of the Universe
22:22

Can it be that now is the best time in the history of the universe to build meaningful products? The final episode of the Unscaled series considers how access to APIs, broader sources of funding, and tools on the internet that weren’t available ten years ago allow creators to build innovative new products faster, cheaper, and more easily than ever before. Yet, at the same time, creators now have the ability to cause widespread harm. With great power comes great responsibility.

 

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

Moore’s Law and Metcalfe’s Law (1:48)

The significance of 2007: when Moore’s Law and Metcalfe’s Law came together (3:09

The golden age of venture capital (4:21)

It’s the best of times, it’s the worst of times (6:25)

It’s easier to focus on what can go wrong; it takes imagination to envision what could go wrong (6:38)

Think hard about first principles (7:47)

Power to eliminate diseases and solve climate change (8:20)

AI is the new electricity (9:51)

Cultural shift: being an entrepreneur is conceivable (10:22)

This acceleration of progress can go really well or really terribly—what will determine the direction of the future? (10:52)

The evolution of the business, technology and policy framework (11:23)

Are we living in a shared reality? (12:22)

The attention economy and the commodity of anger (13:35)

What is the true cost of tribal outrage? (15:04)

Companies like Apple and Amazon do not fracture our reality through tribal outrage; Facebook and Twitter do (16:47)

Instagram-enabled mental health epidemic (19:16)

 

To binge-listen to all eight episodes, please visit the Unscaled Series.

 

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Sep 27, 2018
Unscaled 7: The Future of Companies
27:41

Does the “company” still make sense as the default operational unit for doing business? Or is it an archaic method of organizing the development, manufacture, and sale of goods and services? For people who want to make innovative products, Silicon Valley demands they start an entirely new business as well. But not every new idea needs to become a company. It’s time to rethink companies as the modus operandi for creating things of value.

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

 

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

 

Do companies still make sense? (1:08)

Historically, companies were the only way to bring innovation to light (2:20)

What is starting a company good for? (2:58)

The idea for corporations started as a way to share risk (3:25)

All Turtles video “Why form a company?” has more details on why companies were historically useful (4:14)

The value of open-source stacks (6:30)

How Amazon AWS has changed how early-stage startups can operate (7:50)

The Netflix model: if you want to make a movie, you don’t have to start a film company (9:51)

The potential of tech product development in Mexico City (12:49)

Why it’s valuable for founders to work on local issues (14:55)

Conventional VC wisdom is changing (16:31)

What defines a good business today (18:20)

Companies in the U.S. provide healthcare (19:09)

The perks that companies offer employees other than salary (20:09)

The concept of an employee is changing as well (e.g. Uber drivers) (21:13)

TaskRabbit connects users to freelance workers (21:49)

What is the future of capitalism? (22:50)

Retirement has fallen on the individual as pensions have disappeared (23:28)

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Sep 25, 2018
Unscaled 6: Do Not Pass Go: New Monopolies in the Age of AI
28:03

The proliferation of AI is spurring calls for regulation. But what should these new rules look like? Who will enforce them? And does AI require a new definition of monopoly? Historically, monopolies were classified as companies with too much market share, and antitrust laws were designed to protect consumers from high prices and limited product choice. But with faster, cheaper options from the likes of Amazon, a new approach to consumer protection is needed.


Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

 

Antitrust regulation (1:45)

What is a monopoly? (2:01)

Is Facebook a monopoly? (3:25)

Bill Gates quote: “A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it, exceeds the value of the company that creates it. Then it’s a platform.” (4:35)

Why monopolies were thought to be bad (5:20)

Importance of innovation in the age of new monopolies (6:20)

Flaws in applying the definition of monopolies in the physical world to ecommerce (7:55)

Geographic constraints no longer apply (8:35)

What should Facebook do to not be a monopoly? (9:35)

What should Amazon to to not be a monopoly and create more value than they’re constraining? (10:35)

When Bill Gates told Phil that Evernote wasn’t a platform (12:40)

Privacy protection (14:33)

The hindrances of GDPR on innovation (15:58)

The U.S. government’s lack of an AI department (17:45)

Balancing the security of the population with the risk of constraining innovation (18:10)

Role of regulation when job security is threatened (19:01)

Skill gap between what students are taught and what skills are needed (19:40)

AI is projected to create more jobs than it eliminates (20:35)

How should we draw lines between what is a company and what is a government? (20:51)

What’s the full value of a job? (26:13)

 

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Sep 20, 2018
Unscaled 5: Just the Right Amount of Personalization
21:53

Is personalization really the golden ticket that some product creators think it is? In the tech industry, it’s a widely-held opinion that personalization is the answer to everything, and that successful products must be custom-tailored to meet the unique needs of each user. But it’s difficult to think of really successful products that are hyper-personalized. The iPhone, for example, is more or less the same phone for every user. So is personalization actually important? And if so, to what degree?

 

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

 

Is personalization just a Silicon Valley fetish? (2:11)

Livongo provides chronic care management solutions for type 2 diabetes patients (2:57)

Concept of personalized medicine (4:20)

How to create boundaries for personalized groups (5:21)

Optimizing for a demand-oriented product (6:10)

There aren’t 7 billion types of diabetes (6:50)

Comparison the music industry (8:30)

“What is the right amount of personalization?” (9:35)

Don’t underestimate the power of delight (10:14)

Flocking to certain groups of people at the expense of others (11:07)

What do users actually want? (12:56)

Shift from a supply-based economics mindset of products to a demand-based one (13:44)

Products with the right amount of personalization (14:49)

Strava, an app for runners and cyclists to track their progress (15:07)

Sectors where unscaling has been happening for a while, e.g. online shopping and video (16:30)

Digit, an app that helps users save money (16:47)

Wealthfront, an app for financial planning and investing (16:48)

 

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Sep 18, 2018
Unscaled 4: The Minimum Virtuous Product
20:50

Airbnb, Uber, and Facebook have had the public turn against them when their products caused damage. Even if the founders of these companies had good intentions, they could have made better use of data and AI to measure the impact of their products. It’s time to update the MVP acronym from Minimum Viable Product to Minimum Virtuous Product. Companies should strive to build morally sound design principles from the start with accountability, explainability, and transparency.

 

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

Companies must consider the long-term consequences of what they build (2:43)

How does your mission fit into where innovation is going? (4:00)

Accountability, explainability, and transparency (4:28)

China’s positioning post-GDPR (4:35)

The importance of a diverse team (6:30)

What does diversity mean? (7:18)

Why regulation matters (8:19)

No zero-sum (9:30)

Credit Karma (10:39)

Spot, an AI for workplace harassment and discrimination reporting (11:30)

Amazon same-day delivery and unintended discrimination (13:58)

How do you catch these kinds of things before they cause damage? (14:29)

What can go wrong even if the algorithm does its job (15:04)

When and how should consumers hold companies accountable? (16:13)

The chain of accountability (18:40)

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Sep 13, 2018
Unscaled 3: Algorithmic Canaries
22:32

How can you tell if the product that you’re creating will cause harm? What signs should Facebook have noticed long before its product wreaked havoc on democracy? There are “algorithmic canaries” to watch out for—akin to the birds used in coal mines to help detect deadly gases—now for the digital age. AI is a tool that can be harnessed to efficiently measure a product’s impact, whether good or bad.

 

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future (referral fees will be donated to charity)

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

How can product makers include algorithmic canaries? (1:30)

Historical comparisons (like the internal combustion engine) (1:40)

The benefit of AI (2:25)

Why it took so long for people to discuss the harmful effects of Facebook (4:47)

The role of the internet (5:15)

In the internal combustion engine example, what should have been done? (5:40)

Comparison to nuclear energy (6:50)

What went wrong with Facebook? (8:49)

The “move fast and break things” slogan (9:40)

The purpose of regulation (11:48)

The scooter wars (13:20)

What should they have done? (14:16)

Jump bikes (15:04)

Products that try to advantage some people at the expense of other people (16:55)

The importance of measuring impact (18:55)


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Sep 11, 2018
Unscaled 2: Scaling the Truth
23:50

There’s been a big change in the way businesses are built: they no longer need to have sky-high valuations and thousands of employees before they can make an impact. “Scale” as we know it has run its course, leaving a wide-open pasture where startups can focus on building products that matter instead of getting big fast. What lessons should entrepreneurs take from this shift? And how does it influence how success should be measured today? Join Phil Libin, Hemant Taneja, and Ronda Scott to find out.

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future

Hemant Taneja, managing director at General Catalyst

Ronda Scott, marketing partner at General Catalyst

Scale has run its course (1:06)

Markers of scale breaking (1:50)

The problems of getting big (3:00)

Companies that made an impact before they got big (3:22)

How to have a broader impact (5:15)

The importance of renting (6:27)

Proctor and Gamble’s model (7:05)

The differences between consumer-facing goods and innovations in healthcare (8:50)

Where fintech fits in (9:55)

Digital goods like movies on Netflix (12:10)

How tailored products can be even when they come from small companies (12:58)

Is it bad news for the economy that companies don’t need to hire thousands of employees to make a big impact? (13:50)

The All Turtles model and hyper-focused product teams (14:44)

Employment during the restructuring of the economy (15:58)

Why businesses don’t have to build everything themselves (16:26)

We’ve moved from vertical integration to API integration (17:25)

Anyone can be an entrepreneur (18:10)

How should success be measured? (18:48)

Customer empathy (18:58)

No longer needed to get big before making an impact (20:24)

Feedback loop (20:30)

The best way to get bigger in scale (21:00)

Getting to truth first (22:30)

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Sep 06, 2018
Unscaled 1: What Went Wrong with the World Wide Web?
23:44

Welcome to the Unscaled Series, eight new episodes from the All Turtles Podcast featuring Phil Libin in conversation with General Catalyst’s Ronda Scott and Hemant Taneja. Hemant’s book Unscaled provides a framework for the series’ discussions on what it means for a company to scale today. Episode 1 examines the internet’s role as an equalizer—both for businesses and for bad actors—and asks how entrepreneurs can address the most pressing problems online today.

Show notes

Hemant Taneja’s book: Unscaled: How AI and a New Generation of Upstarts are Creating the Economy of the Future

  

Venture capital firm General Catalyst 

Hemant Taneja bio

  

Ronda Scott bio

What went wrong with the world wide web (2:01)

The problems with moving fast and breaking things (2:21)
The original goals for the Internet (3:08)

Hemant’s first internet job (4:05)
Ronda’s first internet job (4:45)

The difference between being right and being statistically right (6:30)

The biggest problems online today (7:55)

Governance doesn’t exist (8:13)

Current environment won’t support new businesses trying to do good (9:44)

Ronda’s truck -- picture coming ASAP! (10:55)

Siloing has created deep divisions and polarization (11:30)
Do San Francisco’s problems reflect those of the tech industry? (12:20)

Is education better or worse today? (13:45)

Khan Academy (15:50)

Three classes of problems online (17:15)

Unintended consequences (17:25)

Intended, legal consequences (17:31)

Intended, illegal consequences (17:41)

Scale makes consequences more damaging (19:25)

Problems are the same as the 1990s, but the audience is orders of magnitude larger (20:41)

It’s time to rethink the concept of scale (22:03)


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Sep 04, 2018
Bonus 08: The Darjeeling Limited
37:10

If targeted advertising is so bad, then why do we use it at All Turtles? That was the question that came up in a Twitter debate between Phil Libin, cofounder and CEO, and Jeremy Brand Yuan, who runs product marketing. Rather than stir up a social dust storm, they sit down for a pot of tea and make peace. Entrepreneurs looking to market test potential products and messages will learn the pros and cons of behavioral targeting, and how to keep their strategies on the up and up.

 

Show notes

Pouring tea with Jeremy Brand Yuan, Product Marketer at All Turtles (1:05)

Wistaria tea house (3:51) 

Conversation about targeted ads (3:57)

Phil’s article about anger on social media and the attention economy  

Spot, the All Turtles product that helps you report harassment and discrimination at work 

Leaders, the All Turtles product that matches diverse and engaging speakers with event organizers to book speaking opportunities  

How Target figured out a teen girl was pregnant before her father did (Forbes)

EdgeRank, Facebook’s newsfeed algorithm

Inside Twitter’s struggle over what gets banned (New York Times)

Anger on social media (27:00)

  

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Aug 15, 2018
Bonus 07: Her
23:22

When it comes to issues of race and gender, how do people impact AI and how does AI impact people? To answer this question, Stephanie Dinkins has been speaking with a robot since 2014 and working with communities of color to develop more inclusive AI and to promote AI literacy. Her conversations with Bina48, a robotic head modeled on a black woman, challenge common assumptions about gender and race by AI and suggest ways to build more equitable systems.

 

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Show notes

Stephanie Dinkins (Dinkins Studio)

Conversations with Bina48

Project al-Khwarizmi

What the Artist Sees in the Mirror (New York Times)

Execution: Select, Copy, Paste (BBC)

Future Perfect (Art in America)

America 3.0 (Vice)

Eyebeam studio

Dinkins involvement with Bina48 (2:20)

Bina48 advanced social robot (Wikipedia)

Racism and Bina48 (3:45)

Bina48 on Racism

Gender and Bina48 (6:39)

Martine Rothblatt (Wikipedia)

Building more inclusive AI with Project al-Khwarizmi (8:35)

Videos from PAK (scroll down page)

Not the Only One project (19:12)

Dialogflow for building conversational experiences

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Aug 08, 2018
Bonus 06: Pirates of Silicon Valley
31:19

The rumors about Steve Jobs taking acid before dying, Mark Zuckerberg’s first business card, and why Silicon Valley is where it is are just some the tales unearthed by Adam Fisher’s Valley of Genius. Fisher joins host Blaise Zerega to discuss the culture of Silicon Valley and Steve Jobs’ outsized influence upon it, as well as to offer some predictions about its future. From semiconductors to Atari to the PC, their conversation connects the dots to AI, AR, and beyond.

 

Show notes

Valley of Genius: The Uncensored History of Silicon Valley (As Told by the Hackers, Founders, and Freaks Who Made it Boom by Adam Fisher

 

Blaise Zerega (left) and Adam Fisher at the Donatello Studio on July 26, 2018. (Image credit: Philip Dudchuk)

Vanity Fair excerpt: “Google was not a normal place”: Brin, Page, and Mayer on the accidental birth of the company that changed everything

Wired excerpt: Sex, beer, and coding: inside Facebook’s wild early years

Smithsonian excerpt: What Will Be the Next Big Thing to Come Out of Silicon Valley?

Reception and reviews (2:07)

New York Magazine

New York Times

Kirkus Reviews

The National Book Review

Culture and geography (8:07)

William Shockley (Wikipedia)

Nolan Bushnell (WIkipedia)

Steve Jobs (Wikipedia)

The importance of Atari to Apple (12:22)

Steve Jobs spirituality, death, and memorial service (15:55)

Neem Karoli Baba

Ram Dass

Did Steve Jobs take LSD before dying? (17:04)

Steve Jobs Memorial Held (The Wall Street Journal)

Steve Jobs' official cause of death released (The Telegraph)

Future of Silicon Valley (19:45)

Kevin Kelly

The Big Bang Theory

HBO’s Silicon Valley

How Green Was My Valley (Wikipedia)

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Aug 01, 2018
Bonus 05: Airplane!
07:30

Dylan Marriott is a cofounder of Spot, an All Turtles product, but during his free time, he’s a pilot. In this mini bonus episode, he talks to Phil Libin about the four lessons he’s learned from flying that are applicable to entrepreneurship. Both flying planes and launching companies require preparation, perspective, maximized optionality, and the ability to keep calm under pressure. Listeners, please prepare for takeoff.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Dylan Marriott, cofounder of Spot (0:30)

Spot, an AI chatbot that allows users to report workplace harassment and discrimination without talking to a human (0:24)

A video of Dylan flying a seaplane in Italy (0:50)

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Jul 25, 2018
Bonus 04: Doctor Doctor
08:03

Our Doctor Doctor mini-series features conversations between PhDs. Jessica Collier, cofounder of All Turtles, talks to Daniel Nicolae, cofounder of Spot, about each of their transitions from humanities PhDs to working in tech. Spot is an All Turtles product that lets users report workplace harassment and discrimination without talking to a human. Working on Spot, Daniel applied lessons he learned from academia, including the ability to follow through on challenging tasks.

 

Show notes

Conversation with Daniel Nicolae, cofounder of Spot (0:50)

Spot, an AI chatbot that allows users to report workplace harassment and discrimination without talking to a human (0:44)

Penultimate, the digital handwriting Evernote app (5:24)

 

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Jul 18, 2018
Bonus 03: Jack in the Box
22:44

We’re excited to announce that Butter.ai, an All Turtles product, is joining Box. Jon Cifuentes chats with Jack Hirsch, cofounder and CEO of Butter.ai, about the vision and execution of the deal. Butter.ai was built for people to find documents across multiple productivity apps. Jack shares the story of the team’s initial funding through their time at All Turtles and up to the offer from Box. He reveals how to successfully navigate an acquisition when you've built something that solves a real problem.

Show notes

Butter.ai joins Box (0:30)

Jack’s Medium post about Butter.ai joining Box (0:30)

The previous episode of the All Turtles podcast that featured a conversation with Jack about Butter.ai (0:35)

Conversation with Jack Hirsch, cofounder and CEO of Butter.ai (0:47)

Box, the cloud storage company (1:17)

Butter.ai, the smart, secure way for colleagues to search across work apps (1:48)

General Catalyst, a venture capital company (2:44)

Evernote, a mobile app designed for note taking, organizing, task lists, and archiving (3:10)

WeWork, a coworking and office space company (8:24)

Slack, real-time messaging, file sharing, and search (10:48)

Jack in the Box (image credit: Carlos Rocafort IV, All Turtles)

 

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Jul 12, 2018
Bonus 02: Before Sunset
20:59

Another day in Paris, another day in Paradise. Our hosts speak with Christine Foote, cofounder and COO of Leaders, an All Turtles product that matches event organizers with speakers. Foote describes the challenges of broadening the pool of speakers to increase diversity and range of viewpoints, and expanding the types of events where speakers might appear. Part of All Turtles Paris and based at Station F, Leaders makes finding speakers with both expertise and availability seamless for event organizers.

Show notes

The launch of All Turtles Paris (1:10)

Conversation with Christine Foote, COO of Leaders (1:18)

Leaders matches people organizing events with speakers who are interested, qualified, and available (1:20)

Loic Le Meur, cofounder and CEO of Leaders (3:25)

LeWeb, the largest web conference in Europe, cofounded by Loic Le Meur (3:28)

The Color Factory (18:08)

 

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Jun 27, 2018
Bonus 01: Round Midnight
19:29

Drawn to Paris for its burgeoning startup scene, your hosts speak with Edoardo Manitto, Managing Director of All Turtles Paris, on the eve of our Paris office opening. La Ville-Lumière (The City of Lights) is home to highly-skilled talent, smart investors, and a visa program that welcomes skilled immigrants. The first AT Paris product teams hail from across Europe and are addressing such problems as sexual harassment, language learning, and home security. All Turtles Paris is located at Station F.

Show notes

The All Turtles crew finds itself in Paris (1:22)

Conversation with Edoardo Manitto, Managing Director of All Turtles Paris (1:46)

The new All Turtles website! (3:50)

All Turtles Paris is based at Station F (4:55)

Xavier Niel, Station F, and 42 (6:51)

All Turtles Podcast Episode 27 featuring of 42

Goals for All Turtles Paris (7:20)

5 active product teams in Europe: Leade.rs, FastForward.ai, Sunflower Labs, Spot, and Chatterbox  (8:24)

The startup scene in Paris (12:35)

All Turtles partnership with Bpifrance (13:44)

All Turtles Paris job openings (16:45)

 

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Jun 20, 2018
032: Galaxy Quest
53:32

Science fiction has long inspired new technologies, from robots to flip phones to artificial intelligence and more. Yet it’s provocative to consider that sci-fi is more often descriptive than predictive. Dystopias can reflect contemporary fears and biases. Utopias may contain robot characters more developed than women characters. Still, the clear path from imagined worlds to today’s tech products is worth celebrating. Speaking of which, this episode marks the end of Season 1. Thanks for listening.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:12)

Conversation with Brittney Gallagher, host and executive producer of Digital Culture LA (2:02)

Brittney’s show on KPFK (2:02)

“Science fiction is not predictive; it is descriptive.” - Ursula Le Guin (4:54)

Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin (7:30)

Social science fiction explained (9:29)

Foundation by Isaac Asimov (9:41)

1984 by George Orwell (9:48)

The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood (9:49)

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (11:07)

Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (11:08)

The Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft (11:52)

The Rats in the Walls by H.P. Lovecraft (13:45)

Anathem by Neal Stephenson (16:56)

We by Yevgeny Zamyatin (19:33)

I, Robot by Isaac Asimov (20:21)

Evernote’s Three Laws of Data Protection (21:35)

Dune by Frank Herbert (25:36)

Ready Player One (30:35)

The Matrix (30:35)

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (32:31)

The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (34:43)

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, which referenced transparent aluminum and voice commands for computers (35:05)

Listener questions (41:29)

You missed the obvious question, given your clear commitment to it: What impact is 42 having on diversity in the pipeline for developers? (42:05)

Can you share your thinking on blockchain for business? Various comments on the show give a negative impression of the technology. While it was created to support cryptocurrency, there are possible uses for various business scenarios. For example, procurement agreements that require definitive validation and perhaps an alternative to PGP servers for email encryption that would require storing a public key on a blockchain. (44:43)

David Mazières’ white paper on the Stellar Consensus Protocol (48:02)

Jessica’s graphic novel Adventures in Galactic Consensus (48:15)

End of Season One: Thank you (50:35)

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Jun 13, 2018
031: (Don't) Say Anything
37:27

When Gmail says, “It seems like you forgot to attach a file,” that precise phrasing is the result of careful deliberation by a design team. It’s one example Erika Hall gives in her book Conversational Design. She explains her work as “designing with words” rather than literary writing, and asserts that collaboration by designers, writers, and engineers is required for meaningful user experiences. Listener questions address previous episodes about Duplex and, our favorite scapegoat, blockchain.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:12)

Purchase Conversational Design by Erika Hall on A Book Apart (0:30)

Purchase Conversational Design by Erika Hall on Amazon (0:30)

Netflix’s company culture (0:37) 

Patty McCord’s slide deck: “You should try to build a great company to be from.”

Discussion with Erika Hall (2:41)

Erika Hall, cofounder of Mule Design Studio

The importance of non-verbal signs in communication (12:54)

Lightweight prototyping of communication interaction as part of design process and concept of minimal viable conversation (17:18)

How does reading poetry help someone become a conversational designer? (19:08)

William Carlos Williams: The Red Wheelbarrow (19:21)

Should it ever be ok for a computer to pretend to be a human? (21:49)

All the ways to interact with Amazon: “Amazon’s Quest for Global Domination” (video, Wall Street Journal) (24:33)

Rev. Walter Ong, Jesuit teacher and scholar of language (New York Times) (26:11)

Listener questions (28:47)

You came out strongly against Duplex. Can you explain why for someone who would like to be sympathetic to your viewpoint? I feel like I missed chapter 1-5 on what is so wrong with what they did. (29:03)

Episode 29 of the All Turtles Podcast featured a discussion on Duplex. (29:03)

I don’t understand the reference to blockchain in episode 28. Can you explain? (31:00)

Episode 28 of the All Turtles Podcast featured the taxonomy discussion (31:03)

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Jun 06, 2018
030: Antitrust
44:23

You may have received a slew of emails about GDPR last week. The new regulations seek to protect users’ privacy and took effect on May 25 across the EU. GDPR has guidelines on how long companies can keep users’ data, how they use it, and how they explain their requests for personal information. And because it’s the “World” Wide Web, standards set in Europe will impact companies everywhere. We also celebrate All Turtles’ one-year anniversary, and respond to suggestions about AI impersonating humans.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:38)

Discussion: GDPR (0:56)

What is GDPR and why should you care? (Wired) (1:53)

Mark Zuckerberg’s apology to the EU (8:55)

Guy Verhofstadt’s comments to Zuckerberg: “As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates who have enriched our world and societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and our societies. That is a question you have to put to yourself.” (9:43)

Zuckerberg avoided tough questions thanks to short EU question format (12:40)

All Turtles’ Anniversary (19:49)

Spot: replace workplace harassment and discrimination without talking to a human (22:31)

Disco: effortless recognition and rewards - appreciate employees right where work happens (22:32)

Butter: the smart, secure way for teammates to search across work apps (22:33)

Taxonomy discussion for early-stage products in episode 28 (23:48)

The Silicon Valley method isn’t enough: a better way to build products

(24:57)

Discussion: Use cases where human-impersonating AI could be beneficial (27:47)

It would be very useful for people who have social anxiety, selective mutism, or other disorders that make it very difficult for them to interact verbally with other people. Having a human-impersonating voice assistant would allow them to practice in a realistic way without feeling these anxieties. (29:48)

Improving interactions of ALS patients. (30:48)

An elderly person in a retirement home who is depressed and needs social interaction may benefit from a human-sounding voice assistant. (31:39)

Listener questions (35:49)

Bank of America is launching a virtual assistant they’re calling Erica. Why are they trying to make Erica sound human? Does the world really need another female voice assistant (e.g. Alexa, Siri, Cortana, etc.)? (36:01)

What’s the role of this podcast in growing your studio? Do you recommend that startups do their own podcasts? (39:28)

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May 30, 2018
029: No Reservations
35:59

When we allow artificial intelligence to impersonate humans, what kind of precedent does that set? It’s one of the questions that was raised after Google unveiled Duplex, and in this episode our hosts consider what the implications of this technology might be. They also ask whether there should be new rules for grammar and speech when speaking with machines. Listener questions include the upcoming book club discussion and our favorite podcasts.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:11)

Laurel or Yanny? (Video) (1:05)

Discussion: Google Duplex (1:22)

Google I/O, the company’s annual developer conference (1:35)

Sundar Pichai demoing Duplex (video) (1:56)

Google’s statement after Duplex controversy (4:48):

"We understand and value the discussion around Google Duplex -- as we’ve said from the beginning, transparency in the technology is important. We are designing this feature with disclosure built-in, and we’ll make sure the system is appropriately identified. What we showed at I/O was an early technology demo, and we look forward to incorporating feedback as we develop this into a product." -- May 11, 2018

Pichai’s blog post about Duplex (5:10)

Microsoft’s Speech Devices SDK demo (video) (6:13)

Discussion: How does All Turtles define practical AI? (15:08)

IBM’s 5 attributes of useful AI (18:18)

Discussion: levels of formality for speaking to an AI (23:15)

Listener questions

When will you be airing the book club discussion on Erika Hall’s Conversational Design? (29:00)

Answer: Episode 31!

What are your favorite podcasts? (30:15)

The Daily, a daily news podcast from the New York Times (30:29)

Reply All, a podcast about the internet (31:03)

Pod Save America, a podcast about politics from former aides to President Obama (31:21)

Reveal, a podcast from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX (32:31)

Reveal’s money laundering episode (32:41)

Desert Oracle Radio (32:58)

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May 23, 2018
028: Field of Dreams
46:20

In this episode, we reveal All Turtles’ highly scientific approach to classifying early-stage products: the Flying-shoe, the Costner, and the Play-doh. We also examine the most common reasons for failure -- and success -- of these products. Along the way, we describe being insulted by chatbots and how to improve Netflix recommendations.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:13)

Everyday encounters with artificial intelligence (3:03)

Phil: Making an online restaurant reservation (3:52)

Resy app - “The conversation has ended.”

 

Jessica: Text messaging with a political action program that uses a bot (8:30) 

 

Blaise: Netflix recommendations (13:51)

How to create separate Netflix profiles for more accurate suggestions

The All Turtles taxonomy for early-stage products and their potential failure points (15:20)

  1. The Blockchain - it’s not solving a real problem (18:38)
  2. Flying Shoe - Whoa, is it possible?! (19:27)

Failure modalities:

  • DaVinci - Can be imagined, but it can't be built (21:06)
  • Jetpack - Doesn't deliver on its promise (22:10)
  • H.W. Bush - Already exists and we just didn't know about it (22:43)
  1. Costner - Totally possible! But if you build it, will they come? (24:27)

Failure modalities:

  • Waterworld - Too long to get to market and costs too much money (25:00)
  • Golf - Boring and we don't care (e.g. ad tech use case) (25:27)
  • New Coke - There's already a better version of this (26:40)
  • Timeshare - No plausible exit or sustainable financial path forward (27:24)
  • Segway - People don't actually want it (28:30)
  1. Play-Doh - What is it? How will it work? What's the experience like? (30:04)

Failure modalities:

  • No particular failure modalities, but the product idea must become a Flying Shoe or a Costner to continue (31:19)

Spot: record and report workplace harassment (32:30)

Listener questions (35:42)

What does the crew find most useful in building a customer base as a product is introduced and gains traction? (35:55)

In mystical episode 23, you mentioned you’re hiring. As a developer myself, finding awesome people to hire is always a challenge. Can you talk a bit about your hiring process? How do you interview technical people? (39:07)

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May 16, 2018
027: The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Programming School
43:21

Imagine if you could skip college and learn to program for free. Kwame Yamgnane, co-founder and managing director of 42 Silicon Valley, joins this episode to describe how his school’s tuition-free approach to coding instruction is disrupting higher education. Your hosts also examine the importance of physical dexterity when considering AI for IKEA furniture assembly and Tesla’s manufacturing process. And drumroll, please: We announce our next book club selection. (Hint: It’s not Norse Mythology.)

Show Notes

Welcome (0:45)

All Turtles Book Club selection (1:48)

Conversational Design by Erika Hall (available for purchase at A Book Apart)

Join the book discussion on the All Turtles subreddit.

Discussion: AI, physical dexterity, and robotic automation (3:14)

Robots assembling IKEA furniture (The Economist) (3:21)

Elon Musk admits to excessive automation at Tesla factory (Futurism) (5:10)

Elon Musk says that “humans are underrated” (The Next Web) (5:40)

Video of trained eagles taking down drones (YouTube) (7:00)

Video of drone dexterity from ETH Zurich (YouTube) (7:12)

Guest: Kwame Yamgnane, managing director and co-founder of 42 Silicon Valley (12:02)

42 Silicon Valley (12:08)

42 Paris (20:40)

42 Silicon Valley admissions (22:36)

Documentary series Foundation about Station F, and part 1 of our analysis (31:07)

Listener questions (36:54)

Is Israel on All Turtles’ roadmap? Why did you choose Paris and Tokyo as the next locations (other than San Francisco) for All Turtles offices? (37:08)

I was wondering if you have an internship program, and if not, whether you plan to take on interns in the future? (40:01)

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May 09, 2018
026: Crash
33:54

Public discourse around artificial intelligence continues to focus on self-driving cars, especially in the wake of fatal crashes. Yet data shows autonomous vehicles to be significantly safer than those controlled by people. One day, perhaps soon, the notion of human drivers will seem as absurd as child chimney sweeps. This episode also includes a rant about security questions, “advice to politicians” about immigration, and listener questions about All Turtles in Mexico City and Spot’s research.

Show Notes

Welcome (0:46)

Book club nominations (1:10)

Vote for your book club choice on our Twitter poll:

Blaise’s pick: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman (1:16) 

Jessica’s pick: Conversational Design by Erika Hall (1:58)

Phil’s pick: Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman (2:27)

Rant: The problem with security questions (3:16)

Time to kill security questions -- or answer them with lies (Wired)

Discussion: Self-driving cars and AI (6:36)

How a self-driving Uber killed a pedestrian in Arizona (New York TImes) (6:41)

Tesla: Autopilot was on during deadly Mountain View crash (San Jose Mercury News) (6:47)

Advice to politicians: tariffs and immigration (17:16)

Trump announces tariff on Chinese imports (CNN) (17:42)

Trump wants to build a 30-ft-high wall at Mexican border (CNBC) (17:44)

Coding school in Mexico for students who were pushed out of the U.S. (Wall Street Journal) (17:57)

Coding bootcamps in Mexico (EdSurge) (17:57)

Listener questions (26:57)

The Mexican Entrepreneurship Association recommended you as the best incubator for AI projects. Do you cover Mexico City? If so, can one work remotely? (27:03)

Mexican Entrepreneurship Association (28:29)

Does Spot plan to make its research publicly available? It would be interesting to read statistics about harassment by industry, gender, age, etc. Whatever (if anything) is appropriate to share. (29:05)

Episode 15: Conversation with Spot’s Dr. Julia Shaw (29:07)

Spot (31:00)

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May 02, 2018
025: Testworld
49:04

Pundits and politicians are stirring up fears about an artificial intelligence “arms race” between nations. But AI projects should be judged by the products they develop and the problems they solve, rather than their countries of origin. Joining the show is UX expert Susan Farrell to discuss user testing and her paper, “Computer-Assisted Embarrassment.”

Show notes

Welcome (0:42)

Discussion: AI as an arms race between US and China (Russia, too) (1:48)

China’s plans to be world’s leader in AI by 2030 (New York Times) (2:05)

Putin: “Artificial intelligence is the future” (Wired) (2:30)

China vs. the U.S. as an AI “showdown” (Technology Review) (2:45)

China's remote-controlled vehicles (Defense News) (2:49)

France’s $1.8B to fund a national program around AI development (Reuters) (4:55)

Macron positioning France to use AI for people, not companies (Technology Review) (5:04)

Google employees want their company to withdraw from Pentagon contracts, AI being used in drones (New York Times) (8:22)

Shameless plug: All Turtles Newsletter (12:30)

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Guest: Susan Farrell, UX Research and Strategy at All Turtles (13:13)

Susan’s paper Computer-Assisted Embarrassment (18:49)

Listener questions (40:54)

  1. I'm a listener to your Podcast in South Africa. Do you work with non-profits? And how would you work with someone in South Africa? (40:58)

Fast Forward, the accelerator for tech non-profits (43:40)

  1. Do you have any plan to visit Mexico or establish an office in Mexico? How should entrepreneurs in Mexico embrace artificial Intelligence? (45:22) 

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Apr 25, 2018
024: ZuckTales
58:29

Mark Zuckerberg’s Congressional testimony left many people scratching their heads. Was it an earnest effort to explain Facebook’s plans to prevent another Cambridge Analytica data scandal? Or was it part of a well-orchestrated apology tour? Riffing off Phil Libin’s 7-step analysis of the Facebook hearings, your hosts reveal a fundamental problem with the social network’s dependence on advertising and raise important questions about creating the kind of world we want to live in.

Show notes

Welcome (0:41)

Submit book club suggestion to hello@all-turtles.com (1:50)

Discussion: Mark Zuckerberg’s Congressional testimony (2:41)

Phil Libin’s 7-point plan for making sense of Zuckerberg’s Congressional testimony (LinkedIn post) (4:01)

Day 1 Senate testimony: video link and transcript

House testimony: video link and transcript

1. The big picture (4:21)

Hearing clip: “Yes or no, will you commit…?” (6:45)

2. A review of Mark Zuckerberg’s performance (8:05)

Mark Zuckerberg couldn’t stop mentioning his Harvard dorm room during Facebook testimony (Boston Globe) (10:48)

Hearing clip: One of Mark Zuckerberg’s “dorm room” mentions (10:51)

3. Facebook’s misaligned business model (12:01)

Hearing clip: “My top priority has always been our social mission…” (13:25)

Advertising comprises 97% of Facebook’s revenue (Business Insider) (15:50)

4. Fixes already underway (20:28)

Was your data shared with Cambridge Analytica? (21:48)

Hearing clip: “What is Facebook doing to prevent foreign actors from interfering in U.S. elections?” (24:48)

Russians promoted about 130 rallies through 13-Russian linked pages (New York Times) (26:44)

5. Should Facebook be regulated? (30:21)

Hearing clip: “What do we tell our constituents, given what’s happened here, why we should let you self-regulate?” (30:34)

Facebook’s most popular Black Lives Matter page was a scam run by a white Australian, report says (Washington Post) (36:11)

6. Fake news and fake accounts (36:56)

“Facebook had previously announced that $100,000 was spent on Facebook ads from June 2015 to May 2017 by Russian-linked disinformation sources, while an additional $50,000 was spent by Russians that signals indicate weren’t or were only weakly connected to an organized disinformation campaign.” (37:44)

Trump and Clinton spent $81M on US election Facebook ads, Russian agency $46K (TechCrunch) (37:50)

7. The problem of the attention economy (41:59)

Hearing clip: “Let me outline the way that we approach fighting fake news.” (42:05)

Listener question (53:04)

Submitted via the All Turtles subreddit:

As AI gets better and better at analyzing data, and predicting patterns in humans, what happens to our sense of individuality? Is there a future in which AI and data mining will be predicting most of my decisions and outcomes? My generation has been told that we are all unique, and big data and AI seems to be learning and proving that we are all much less unique than maybe we’ve grown up believing. Do advancements in this field make us feel less like individuals?

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Apr 18, 2018
023: Ghost in the Shell
36:20

Artificial intelligence may never do away with life’s two guarantees: death and taxes. But AI is changing the way people process them; memorial chatbots, for example, can take a loved one’s emails, social media, texts, and videos to create a digital facsimile of the dearly departed. And there are so many ways that AI, in theory, could make paying taxes less painful. Along the way hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega respond to listener questions about Walmart’s patent for drone bees and AI in France.

Show notes

Welcome

Ready Player One trailer (1:37)

Isle of Dogs trailer (1:45)

Dogs in the All Turtles office (1:58)

Listener correction (2:45)

All Turtles Podcast Episode 21, where “barrel” instead of “bunch” was used to describe those affected by the actions of one bad individual (skip to 16:30)

Memorial chatbots discussion (4:42)

Swedish funeral agency seeks participants for memorial chatbots (4:50)

Wired cover story on James Vlahos’s Dadbot (5:53)

The Verge story on Eugenia Kyuda’s Roman bot (6:40)

Shameless plug (19:33)

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Taxes and practical AI  (20:58)

IRS Audits Drop To Lowest Level Since 2002 news report on WBUR(21:19)

H&R Block using Watson to process tax returns (21:54)

Credit Karma using AI (21:59)

Conversation with Josh Browder from DoNotPay from Episode 21 (skip to 14:34) (22:27)

Listener questions (29:11)

What’s up with Walmart patenting drone bees? Do they really intend on stepping into the AI arena, or do you think it’s just a ploy to remain relevant to consumers in a retail apocalypse environment? (29:20)

Last week, President Macron of France made a public announcement of €1.5 billion to support AI projects and called for the creation of a national program. Previously, he attended the opening of Station F and has been very public of his support for tech. What’s All Turtles’ French strategy, and how will it give value and visibility to French developers in light of this recent news? (31:01)

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Apr 11, 2018
022: Little Giants
43:05

Artificial intelligence can render the concept of scale meaningless and enable startups to compete with global giants. Investor Hemant Taneja explains how size becomes a liability in his new book, Unscaled. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega also share everyday encounters with AI including autocomplete successes and disasters. Along the way, they respond to a listener question about regulating Facebook following the Cambridge Analytica data scandal.

Show notes

Everyday encounters with artificial intelligence

Google sheet autocomplete on iOS (2:21)

Email autocomplete fail (4:24)

The Amy meeting scheduler bot fail (6:36)

Conversation with General Catalyst managing director Hemant Taneja, author of Unscaled (10:19)

General Catalyst  A venture capital firm with offices in Silicon Valley, New York, and Boston.

Unscaled: How A.I. and a New Generation of Upstarts Are Creating the Economy of the Future, by Hemant Taneja  (10:36)

AngelList (16:35)

Livongo  A service for people with chronic illnesses to monitor their health. (18:32)

Ep. 5: Raging Bull  Maybe it’s kind of B.S.: Personalization (skip to 15:35) (21:51)

Hemant’s three bits of advice for entrepreneurs (30:10)

Listener Questions

Facebook was already operating under a 2011 consent decree with the FTC about sharing people’s data without their permission. Given the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and the fact that this week Zuckerberg stated that he was open to being regulated, should Facebook’s use of AI be regulated? What might that look like? (32:39)

Zuckerberg open to being regulated (New York)

Finally! For a while, I thought the All Turtles Subreddit was in the same category as flying unicorns and Daft Punk playing at the trash fence... but I finally found it! Seriously though... this is super hard to find, and you don't link to it from anywhere else. (39:10)

The All Turtles Subreddit

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Apr 04, 2018
021: The Antisocial Network
48:57

The Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal. It’s not a breach, it’s not artificial intelligence. Instead, it’s a logical result of the social network’s business model where users and their data are the product being sold. Also, our in-house patent expert Leonid Kitainik provides advice for entrepreneurs seeking to protect their intellectual property. Listener questions include whether Bitcoin will become the world’s single currency and how voice interfaces may change computing and work.

Show Notes 

The Facebook-Cambridge Analytica data scandal (1:41)

The Cambridge Analytica files: the story so far (The Guardian) (1:50)

How to delete apps from your Facebook profile (Facebook) (4:45)

Mark Zuckerberg’s statement on “the Cambridge Analytica situation” (Facebook) (9:42)

 

Conversation with Leonid Kitainik, vice president of intellectual property at All Turtles (17:12)

10 million patents (18:38)

Previous discussion on patents - Episode 14: Pillow Fort Apache, The Bronx (17:24) (skip to 4:24)

Patent requirements (29:20)

 

Listener questions (42:37)

How do we have to rethink creating work for the Internet when a big chunk of it will be interfaced via voice? What new challenges come up that upend almost 30 years of UX knowledge for a mostly visual and type- and touch-based interaction with machines? How will work change with voice interface? (42:45)

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey said in an interview that he believes Bitcoin will become the world’s single currency. Is @Jack on crack? What do you think of this prediction? (46:15)

 

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Mar 28, 2018
020: A Few Good Bots
49:55

DoNotPay is a chatbot that has helped people beat more than 500,000 parking tickets and can now help you get a lower airfare after you’ve booked a flight. We talk with the startup’s founder and CEO Josh Browder about also helping refugees apply for visas and his vision for a lawyer-free future. Phil Libin, Blaise Zerega, and guest host Cathy Dinas recap a trip to Japan, debate the portrayal of AI in the Netflix series Black Mirror, and consider whether hiring a PR firm early in a product’s lifecycle is really just, well, BS.

Show notes

Postcard from Japan (3:43)

Phil’s hotel room key in Osaka

Pocketalk translation device used by Phil and Cathy

Pocketalk, SourceNext Releases 50 Languages Translation Device

Pocketalk audio featured in All Turtles Podcast Episode 2 (skip to 6:55)

Conversation with Josh Browder, Founder and CEO of DoNotPay (14:34)

DoNotPay.com (company web site)

Josh Browder on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Disrupting the Legal System with Robots (video)

A new tool uses legal loopholes to get you cheaper flights by checking prices 17,000 times a day (Business Insider)

Phil’s refugee story (video)

Listener questions

Black Mirror - does it interest you? What AI shown in the series is most attainable or realistic? (36:00)

Black Mirror Season 4 Trailer (video)

Is hiring a PR firm bullshit early in the product’s lifecycle? (42:17)

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Mar 21, 2018
019: Chucky
30:31

How close are we to an “Infocalypse” when AI-created audio and video present an alternative version of history? What happens to trust when facts are indistinguishable from fiction? Who controls the message? It’s a topic with roots in an early American novel when the fear wasn’t AI, but -- get this -- ventriloquism. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega debate the potential for this scenario and possible solutions. They also explain why the studio model is well-suited for building AI products. Listener questions include the origins of the All Turtles name and whether we’re living in a simulation.

Show notes

The threat of AI-generated audio and video to produce fake news (01:32)

He Predicted The 2016 Fake News Crisis. Now He's Worried About An Information Apocalypse. (Buzzfeed)

Synthesizing Obama: Learning Lip Sync from Audio -- video teaser (YouTube)

Synthesizing Obama: Learning Lip Sync from Audio (University of Washington)

Wieland and Memoirs of Carwin the Biloquist by Charles Brockden Brown (Goodreads)

Fake Voices Will Become Worryingly Accurate (The Rand Blog)

Discussion of Human voice or AI-generated voice? (Episode 14, 18:17)

Defining your terms: Studio (12:16)

The Silicon Valley method isn’t enough: A better way to build products by Phil Libin (All Turtles)

Phil Libin exits General Catalyst for All Turtles, a new AI ‘startup studio’ (TechCrunch)

Listener questions

Where does the name All Turtles come from and why don’t you have more fun with it? (20:18)

Are we living in a simulation? (24:04)

 Elon Musk on Simulation Theory, at Code Conference 2016 (YouTube)

 A Dream Within a Dream by Edgar Allan Poe (Poetry Foundation)

 Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard (Goodreads)

Credits

Paul Hardcastle’s 1985 song “19” (YouTube)

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Mar 14, 2018
018: Brocast News
41:05

This episode kicks off our book club discussion of Brotopia, which reveals that sex parties are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to gender discrimination in Silicon Valley. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega share their strong reactions to the reporting, history, and advocacy contained in Emily Chang’s book. Along the way, they delight in the ways AI improves reading the New York Times, our grammar, and keeping track of one’s schedule. Responding to listener questions, your hosts lay bets on a timeline for human birth in space, and how to maintain privacy in an age of Alexa.

Show notes

Everyday encounters with artificial intelligence

New York Times (2:35)

100 Notable Books of 2017 (NYT)

 

Like Grammarly but it shouts at you (5:18)

Grammarly (company web site)

 

Auto-suggested events in calendars (8:20)

How to create calendar events from emails (LifeWire)

Book club discussion: Brotopia by Emily Chang (13:11)

Brotopia: Breaking Up the Boys’ Club of Silicon Valley (GoodReads)

In ‘Brotopia,’ Silicon Valley Disrupts Everything but the Boys’ Club (NYT Book Review)

“Oh my God, this is so f--ed up”: Inside Silicon Valley’s Secretive, Orgiastic Dark Side (Vanity Fair)

Apple’s “1984” television commercial (YouTube)

 

Listener Questions

When do you think someone will be born in space? (31:07)

What percentage of the population is concerned with their privacy in a time of Alexa devices, Nest cameras, and the like? (33:19)

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Mar 07, 2018
017: Police Academy 2
42:53

At age 42, after co-founding one of the world’s largest wireless carriers and leading it to an IPO, Augie Fabela enrolled at a police academy. Today, Fabela serves as a Chief of Police for the Cook County’s Sheriff Department. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega talk with Chief Fabela about using community engagement to reduce gun violence, including an esports project (with involvement from All Turtles). In a “Maybe it’s kinda B.S.” segment, your hosts dissect so-called ID theft protection services. Listener questions include ways to learn new things and to become more efficient.

Show notes

Phil Libin: “I retire a joke.” (0:20)

Time travel (Wikipedia)

ID theft protection: Maybe it’s kinda bullshit? (2:59)

Millions of People Post Comments on Federal Regulations. Many Are Fake. (Wall Street Journal)

LifeLock (company website)

Credit Karma (company website)

Part two of our conversation with Augie Fabela, Co-founder and CEO of FastForward.ai, and Chief of Police at the Cook County Sheriff’s Department (10:16)

Augie K. Fabela II bio (LinkedIn)

DECIDE: Tactical Crisis Decision Making: A Framework For Law Enforcement by Augie Fabela (Amazon)

 

On Chicago’s South Side, Shootings Are Way Down...And Here’s The Reason Why (HuffPost)

(Left to right) Sheriff of Cook County Tom Dart, All Turtles CEO Phil Libin, Chief of Police at the Cook County Sheriff Department Augie Fabela.

FastForward.ai (company website)

Listener questions

What tactics do you use for learning new things and being more efficient? (30:14)

Halo Neuroscience (company website)

What are you looking for in founders who want to join All Turtles? (38:38)

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Feb 28, 2018
016: Police Academy 1
50:57

Outside the United States, about 4.5 billion people use prepaid wireless phone services. We check in with Augie Fabela, co-founder and CEO of FastForward.ai, which aims to reinvent the prepaid customer experience. Along the way, Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega offer “Advice to Politicians” about social media and the recent U.S. indictment of 13 Russians for interference in the 2016 election. Your hosts also explore the connection between artificial intelligence and issues of race, gender, and inequality.

Show notes

Advice to politicians: Get off Facebook and Twitter (2:10)

13 Russians Indicted as Mueller Reveals Effort to Aid Trump Campaign (New York Times)

After Florida School Shooting, Russian ‘Bot’ Army Pounced (New York Times)

Part one of our conversation with Augie Fabela, co-founder and CEO of FastForward.ai, and Chief of Police at the Cook County Sheriff’s Department (15:45)

Augie Fabela (LinkedIn)

VEON

Motorola brick phones from the early 1990s (Wikipedia)

FastForward.ai

USSD codes and menus for prepaid calling services (Wikipedia)

Sample USSD codes for Thailand

 

Prepaid card market expected to reach $3,653 billion by 2022 (Allied Market Research)

Listener comment and question

Why do you focus so much on the issues of race, gender, and inequality? (38:46)

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Feb 21, 2018
015: Spotlight
49:45

As public reckonings with harassment and discrimination abound, it’s becoming clear that the vast majority of these incidents go unreported. We check in with Dr. Julia Shaw, co-founder and Chief Scientist of Spot, a just-launched harassment reporting tool that aims to fix this. Along the way, hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega discuss the likelihoods for artificial general intelligence and artificial super intelligence, which some people have likened to God. We also announce the first selection for our Book Club: Brotopia.

Show notes

Announcing the All Turtles Book Club’s first selection (1:11)

The three nominees were:

Magic and Loss: The Internet as Art by Virginia Heffernan

How Music Works by David Byrne

Brotopia: Breaking Up the Boys' Club of Silicon Valley by Emily Chang

 

And the winner is: Brotopia. Join us next time for our debut book club discussion.

Artificial narrow intelligence, artificial general intelligence, artificial super intelligence (2:42)

The AI Revolution: The Road to Superintelligence - Part One (Wait But Why)

The AI Revolution: The Road to Superintelligence - Part Two (Wait But Why)

Conversation with Dr. Julia Shaw, co-founder and Chief Scientist of Spot (11:03)

Spot (website)

Spot launches a chatbot to combat workplace harassment (VentureBeat)

A new (and free) chatbot may help employees report instances of harassment (Washington Post)

This Chatbot Will Take Your Harassment Claims To HR Anonymously (Fast Company)

A collision of two realities (33:29)

The City & the City by China Miéville

 

Listener questions

How can developers avoid unconscious bias and make sure that AI is respectful to everyone? (34:25)

Can practical AI help virtuous people make virtuous products? (40:10)

Preparing to sign-off a la Elon Musk (46:24)

Live Views of Starman (YouTube)

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Feb 14, 2018
014: Pillow Fort Apache, The Bronx
49:52

We kick off the show with a call for listener suggestions to select our first read for The All Turtles Book Club. Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega then dive into a “Maybe it’s kinda bullshit?” segment on patents, asking whether they’ve outlived their usefulness. Your hosts also try to distinguish between human and AI-generated voices. This week’s listener questions lead to revelations about Phil’s 100,000 unread emails, Jessica’s knowledge of container ship videos, and whether Blaise is named for St. Blaise or Blaise Pascal.

Show notes

Listener suggestions for the All Turtles Book Club (1:30)

Magic and Loss: The Internet as Art by Virginia Heffernan

The Spirit Level: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett

Safety: Car Crashes Pose Greater Risk for Women by Nicholas Bakalar, New York Times

How Music Works by David Byrne

Patents: Maybe they’re kinda bullshit? (4:24)

U.S. Constitution, Article One, Section Eight: [The Congress shall have power] “To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”

United States Patent and Trademark Office

First U.S. Patent issued in 1790

Patent kings: The world's 50 most innovative companies (USA Today)

Apple was Granted 39 Patents Today covering Facial Recognition and the iPad Pro's Smart Keyboard Connector and more (Patently Apple)

Human voice or AI-generated voice? (18:17)

Google’s voice-generating AI is now indistinguishable from humans (Quartz)

Fake Voices Will Become Worryingly Accurate (The Rand Blog)

Wieland: or, The Transformation: An American Tale by Charles Brockden Brown, published 1798

Audio samples from Tacotron 2 (Google’s Github page)

Uncanny valley (Wikipedia)

Love in the Time of Robots (Wired)

Interrobang in punctuation

Lyrebird.ai

Listener questions

How might AI be used to filter signal to noise? (36:00)

Screenshot of Phil Libin’s 100,000+ unread emails:

Clapping during President Trump’s State of the Union address

Will All Turtles expand to Vancouver, British Columbia? (43:06)

Containers podcast by Alexis Madrigal

How do you spend your Sundays? (45:30)

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Feb 07, 2018
013: Monday Night Fever
51:30

We check in with Jeremy Vandehey, co-founder and CEO of Disco, just 24 hours after his company’s successful launch. Jeremy explains the benefits of building a culture of appreciation and celebrating the contributions of all team members. Your hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega also tackle the tangled connection between .ai, .io, and colonialism, introduce a new segment called “Advice to Politicians,” and share their admiration for the late Ursula K. Le Guin. Listener questions include such topics as robots caring for the elderly, and All Turtles’ plans for 2020.

Show notes

Colonialism, .ai, and .io (1:42)

The dark side of .io: How the U.K. is making web domain profits from a shady Cold War land deal (GigaOm)

5,000 .ai domains registered

Vince Cate web site

New segment: Advice to our elected officials (4:41)

Hillbillies who code: the former miners out to put Kentucky on the tech map (The Guardian)

For Job Retraining Programs To Work, People Need To Show Up (NPR)

The Retraining Paradox (The New York Times)

Appreciation: Ursula K. Le Guin (12:37)

Ursula K. Le Guin website

Steering the Craft: Exercises and Discussions on Story Writing for the Lone Navigator or the Mutinous Crew by Ursula K. Le Guin (See page 17 of the Houghton Mifflin Harcourt 2015 edition by Mariner Books)

Le Guin’s letter to editor John Radziewicz

Send reading suggestions for our book club to hello@all-turtles.com

Conversation with Jeremy Vandehey, co-founder and CEO of Disco (18:01)

Disco

A startup from Phil Libin's 'studio' thinks its artificial intelligence will make employees happier at work (Business Insider)

Listener questions

Why are robots caring for elderly patients with Alzheimer’s? Shouldn’t this require empathy, something that AI lacks? (39:39)

What have you learned so far? What are All Turtles’ plans for 2020? (43:20)

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Jan 31, 2018
012: Easy Rider
47:21

We check in with Ken Inoue, general manager of All Turtles Tokyo, who explains that being regarded as a “bent nail” can be a good thing. Ken also discusses the “black ships” phenomenon and tells us that Japan is a pun-loving nation. Your hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega share encounters with everyday AI when using Safari on mobile, seeking information on Michelangelo, and going for a mountain bike ride with Strava. Along the way, they answer questions about AI taking jobs and startups with .ai URL suffixes.

Show notes

Everyday interactions with AI

Auto-suggested Google searches within iOS -- Phil (2:02)

Michelangelo at the Met or Uber Michelangelo? -- Blaise (3:05)

Strava as a ride-partner finding service -- Jessica  (4:35)

Conversation with Ken Inoue, general manager of All Turtles Tokyo (7:41)

The nail that sticks out shall be hammered down” (12:30)

Japanese politicians force colleague with baby to leave chamber (20:43)

Black Ships (25:08)

Phil’s three sentences to drop into everyday conversation:

  1.  “I’m spending this week working out of the Tokyo office.”
  2.  “Set the controls for the heart of the sun” -- Pink Floyd
  3.  “Fire the explosive bolts!” -- Dr. Strangelove

Contact: hellojapan@all-turtles.com

Listener questions

AI will kill jobs. What can we do about? (32:48)

The number of startups with .ai URL suffixes doubled in 2017. Is this evidence of AI hype? (38:54)

Bonus

How we come up with episode titles (45:10)

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Jan 24, 2018
011: Batteries Not Included
46:20

We check in with Octane AI cofounder and COO Ben Parr about bots and ecommerce, and the surprising ways parrots may help build company culture. Along the way hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega question the importance of boards of directors in a segment called, “Maybe it’s kinda bull----?” They also discuss whether design can address ethical concerns for AI and what the demise of Facebook M means for chatbots.

Show notes

Boards of directors: Maybe it’s kinda bull----? (1:40)

The Board’s Most Important Function (Harvard Business Review)

The Board of Directors: Role and Responsibilities (Fred Wilson, AVC.com)

Interview with Ben Parr, Octane AI cofounder and COO (13:01)

Octane AI

Automating Your Sales (MSNBC)

Cult of the Party Parrot

 

Listener Questions

How do you think about AI and ethical challenges, and how do you help studio companies think about them? (34:11)

It was just announced that Facebook is killing Facebook M. What does that mean for the AI industry? (40:07)

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Jan 17, 2018
010: Buy Hard
43:27

The new year began with an ominous forecast: 12,000 U.S. retail stores are expected to close in 2018, a 33-percent increase from 2017. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega examine what this means for jobs, shopping, and the proverbial Main Street full of mom-and-pop stores. They manage to agree that online advertising has never been more annoying and pervasive, and debate whether AI will improve things anytime soon. Listener questions include hyper-personalization and differences between Japanese and American entrepreneurs.

Show notes

12,000 retail stores predicted to close in 2018 (00:57)

A tsunami of store closings is about to hit the US — and it's expected to eclipse the retail carnage of 2017 (Business Insider)

Fellow pour-over kettle

(Image credit: Fellow)

Why Kurt Vonnegut used a typewriter (Descriptedlines)

 

Intrusive, online advertising (16:58)

The Attention Deficit (The Baffler), a review of The Attention Merchants: The Epic Scramble to Get Inside Our Heads by Tim Wu

How privacy will change internet advertising in 2018 (Boomtown)

Adblock Plus: “Surf the web without annoying ads!”

What is post-purchase marketing? (Iconic Digital)

 

Predictions for 2018 (25:03)

Panera Bread

(Image credit: Mike Mozart Flickr/Creative Commons)

Pantera, the band

(Image credit: Pantera/Facebook)

 

Pantera, an Italian sports car

(Image credit: Car Photography Tutorials)

 

Listener questions (33:02)

YouTube as an example of successful hyper-personalization as discussed in Episode 5 (33:25)

    Testing Russian Military MRE (YouTube)

How are entrepreneurs in Japan different from entrepreneurs in the U.S.? (38:20)

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Jan 10, 2018
009: Chat with Me
51:17

We check in with Replika CEO and cofounder Eugenia Kuyda shortly after her company’s AI confidant became available to more than 1.5 million people on a waitlist. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega speak with Eugenia about the challenges of creating an AI friend that is always there for you. She shares what differentiates Replika from conventional chatbots, therapy apps, and voice assistants like Siri and Alexa, drawing connections between how we behave towards AI and towards each other. Listener questions include glucose monitors and whether growth hacking works.

Show notes

Interview with Eugenia Kuyda, CEO of Replika (1:11)

Replika

Speak, Memory (The Verge)

What my personal chat bot is teaching me about AI’s future (Wired)

Replika Is A Strangely Therapeutic Chatbot For Talking To Yourself (Vocativ)

Listener Questions

What glucose monitor did Phil wear while fasting? (44:07)

Is growth hacking important? (45:57)

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Jan 03, 2018
008: Apocalypse Later
35:41

Robots taking jobs. The AI apocalypse. Universal basic income. These themes encompass the fears of many parents as they think about a future for their children. In this week’s episode, Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega address this worry and include advice from the likes of Senator Mark Warner, Kai-fu Lee, and Stephen Wolfram. Your hosts also assess notable developments in practical  AI from 2017 and share their daily encounters with iMessage, LinkedIn, and financial services app Penny.

Show notes

Developments in practical AI from 2017 (00:45)

AlphaGo Zero (01:51)

Voice assistants go mainstream (04:57)

Everyday AI use cases

iMessage autofill for calendar (6:12)

LinkedIn Premium for U.S. military veterans; Thank you for your service (7:30)

Penny, a financial services bot (8:46)

Listener question

What should I tell my two-year old daughter to help her survive the AI apocalypse? (11:45)

Senator Mark Warner, interviewed by Blaise Zerega on May 30, 2017, at the New Deal Ideas Summit in San Francisco.

Kai-Fu Lee, interviewed by Blaise Zerega on May 22, 2017, over lunch in San Francisco.

Stephen Wolfram, interviewed by Blaise Zerega on May 4, 2017, onstage with Group M’s Irwin Gottlieb at the Collision Conference in New Orleans.

Cafe X first Robotic Cafe in USA Robot Baristas serve up coffee

Meet SAM, the bricklaying robot

Building Tomorrow - Robotics in Construction

Tomorrow Daily - Japanese construction firm using robotic bulldozers guided by drones, Ep. 257

Wolfram Alpha: What jobs will still be important after the AI revolution?

Will Robots Take Our Children’s Jobs? (The New York Times)

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, by Yuval Noah Harari (2014)

Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow, by Yuval Noah Harari (2016)

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Dec 19, 2017
007: The Running Man
43:54

This week’s guest Veronica Belmont shares wisdom and tips from more than a decade of podcasting and recounts her journey to product manager of Growbot. Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega speak with Belmont about privacy and anonymity, AI and chatbots, communication and diversity, and the importance of authentic company values. They also discuss the many, many reasons to be polite to your voice assistants. Your hosts revisit the role of AI in battling information asymmetry and reveal two AI products they’d like to see made next year.

Show notes

Information Asymmetry (1:16)

Previous discussion of information asymmetry in All Turtles Podcast Episode 3 (27:04)(iTunes)

E.F. Hutton: Stock broker with access to exclusive information (YouTube)

Phil Libin on historical asymmetries of information (Quora)

Interview with Veronica Belmont, product manager of Growbot (6:55)

Veronica Belmont

Veronica Belmont bio (Wikipedia)

Growbot 

IRL (Podcast)

Sword and Laser (Podcast)

Tor (The Tor Project)

Jad Abumrad (Radiolab)

Veronica Belmont’s podcasting protips (19:45)

Phil Libin on fart apps and crap bots

How to outrun a bear (Backpacker)

Listener questions (39:47)

Does All Turtles work with teams that are not on the West Coast? (39:59) 

What AI products would you like to see developed in 2018? (40:55)

 

Dec 12, 2017
006: The Twilight Drone
47:53

This week’s show is devoted to security and trust. After hackers stole the records of 57 million Uber customers and drivers last year, the company failed to disclose the data breach and paid the hackers $100,000. Your hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega offer the ride-sharing company no sympathy and explore what’s needed to safeguard everything from DNA to airports to social security numbers. They talk with Alex Pachikov, CEO of Sunflower Labs, who aims to reinvent home security with autonomous drones and AI. Your hosts also consider the roles of HR and physical security devices in the sexual harassment allegations against TV host Matt Lauer.

Show notes

Uber security breach (01:02)

Uber Hid 2016 Breach, Paying Hackers to Delete Stolen Data (The New York Times)

Genetic testing threatens the insurance industry (The Economist)

Transportation Security Administration: What Can I Bring? (TSA)

Will biometrics "active authentication" help do away with passwords? (CBS News)

Interview with Alex Pachikov, CEO of Sunflower Labs (17:05)

Sunflower Labs

Sunflower Home Awareness System (video)

Under The Shell: Sunflower Labs takes flight 

Listener questions (41:00)

Is there an app that can help stop sexual harassment? (41:18)

Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (Variety)

What’s with the secret button Matt Lauer allegedly used to lock his door? (44:04)

About That Secret Button in Matt Lauer's Office

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Dec 06, 2017
005: Raging Bull
46:53

Machine learning has shown the capacity to amplify our cultural and gender biases. Addressing the problem begins with admitting it exists. Join Hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega as they discuss ways to limit the impact of language that reinforces stereotypes. They also introduce a new segment called, “Maybe it’s kinda bull----t?” which in this episode casts a skeptical eye on personalization. They evaluate the utility of intelligent assistants from the likes of Amazon, Apple, Facebook. Google, and Microsoft, and explain that not all startups should go international.

Show notes

Gender bias (00:56)

Man is to Computer Programmer as Woman is to Homemaker? Debiasing Word Embeddings

Reference Software’s Grammatik

Grammarly

Friday Night Lights

Personalization: Maybe it’s kinda bullshit? (15:35)

Yahoo personalized home page

Listener questions

Please rate the voice assistants from Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft (29:30)

Is New York the new Silicon Valley? (32:00)

When should startups expand internationally? (34:36)

Everyday interactions with AI

A non-intuitive shortcut on Digit, a passive savings tool (36:09)

A wine club that uses AI-based recommendations (39:19)

iOS update includes male and female versions of CEO emoji (43:10)

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Nov 28, 2017
004: Butter
45:19

Riding a rollercoaster, taking a leap of faith, and launching a rocket are just some of the phrases used to describe the challenge of starting a company. This week, your hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega dive into the day-to-day realities of being a cofounder to reveal the value of communication, problem solving, and good, old-fashioned hard work. Along the way, they check-in with Jack Hirsch, CEO of Butter.ai, to hear what he’s learned two months after launch. Also, they debunk the gospel of the technical cofounder and describe their interactions with AI while watching HBO, conversing with Replika, and typing in iMessage.

Show notes

All Turtles

Butter.ai

Replika

Grammarly

Watch a video about Butter 

 

Listener questions

Why is Blaise’s Replika a female? (31:22)

Do startups need a technical co-founder? (32:59)

How do people apply to the All Turtles startup studio? (35:40)

 

Everyday interactions with AI

Sir, your Grammarly is showing (38:29)

John Oliver, President Trump, and AI (40:36)

TFW your generative keyboard trolls you  (41:35)

 

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Nov 22, 2017
003: My Phone as a Dog
44:02

If the iPhone 6 reinvented the world of smartphones, then the iPhone X is poised to reinvent the world of contextual computing. Your hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega take a look at the implications of Apple’s new device for products involving facial recognition and everyday AI. They also discuss the potential for AI-based contraception, what UX-focused grad students ought to learn, and the possibility of a world without information asymmetry.

Show notes

Apple just put machine learning in your pocket

Replika

Amara’s Law: “We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.”

Watch AI’s Big Mistake: Trying to Imitate Humans

Watch trailer for My Life as a Dog

Digit

Natural Cycles

Man is to Computer Programmer as Woman is to Homemaker? Debiasing Word Embeddings

Phil Libin on “historical asymmetries of information

Woebot

Grammarly use case in the wild:


 

Listener questions

Can AI be an effective contraceptive? (19:54)

What should UX-focused graduate students know about AI? (22:10)

How to avoid bias in machine learning systems? (25:20)

What does a world without information asymmetry look like? (26:29)

Is it really Turtles all the way down? (34:05)

Do you work with teams in Australia? (34:47)

 

Everyday interactions with AI

The value of chatbot therapy (35:46)

Grammarly’s keyboard for iOS (37:40)

The art of remembering phone numbers (40:39)

 

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Nov 15, 2017
002: Found in Translation
36:43

There’s a clear opportunity for new applications of AI that solve common problems. Join hosts Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega for a discussion about practical AI products and why it's possible for small teams to build them. Listen as Phil uses a Pocketalk translation device in Osaka and shares sounds gathered while riding Japan Railways. Your hosts answer listener questions about big tech companies and data sets, why there’s plenty of room for startups, and they assess the current state of chatbots. They also share their everyday encounters with practical AI — from language translation to hands-free driving to remembering things.

Show notes

Watch trailer for Lost in Translation

Listen to Japan Railways jingles

Meet Noriyuki “Nori” Matsuda, SourceNext CEO

Pocketalk, SourceNext Releases 50 Languages Translation Device

The Pocketalk device in the wild: 

The Pocketalk device is about the size of a bar of soap.

The babel fish from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

Amara’s Law: “We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.”

Average tenure of employees at 10 biggest tech companies

 

Listener questions

With large tech companies being so active in AI, is there any room for startups? (11:15)

Is it easier to build an AI company with great data and a mediocre team or vice versa? (15:45)

What industry will be a big player/acquirer of AI in next two years? (16:26)

Chatbots were formerly all the rage, are we now in the trough of disillusionment? (23:02)

Everyday interactions with practical AI

English-Japanese translation, and Russian, too (27:51)

Google Assistant 1, Siri 0 (31:02)

Lost your photographic memory? There’s a bot for that  (32:30)

 

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Nov 08, 2017
001: The Mythology of the Garage
45:30

Introducing the All Turtles Podcast! Our premier episode features Phil Libin, Jessica Collier, and Blaise Zerega. Listen as they discuss the origins of the All Turtles studio and debunk one of Silicon Valley’s most iconic myths: the solo entrepreneur toiling in a garage. Along the way, they explain why founding teams should focus on building products before building companies. They tackle listener questions about blockchain, artificial intelligence, and how to bring more women and underrepresented minorities into the tech workforce. They also share their everyday encounters with AI -- mundane, but practical.

 

Show notes

Watch video from day one of All Turtles

Inside the All Turtles AI startup studio

Apple’s garage myth

Parker Hannafin, a 100-year old tech company

Current All Turtles studio companies

Butter.ai launch

Sunflower Labs partnership with Stanley Black & Decker

Listen to Japan Railways jingles

 

Listener questions

What’s All Turtles view of blockchain? (26:00)

What’s with so many companies calling themselves AI companies? (29:13)

How to get more women involved in leadership positions? (33:27)

Why is All Turtles going global? (38:12)

 

Everyday interactions with AI

The value of positive feedback (39:22)

Good grammar matters (41:26)

“No, Mom, I did not just call you ‘Alexa’” (42:46)

 

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Oct 30, 2017