CISO-Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

By David Spark, Founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft

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Discussions, tips, and debates from security practitioners and vendors on how to work better together to improve security for themselves and everyone else.

Episode Date
Our All White Male Panel Discusses Diversity in Cybersecurity
31:43

With absolutely no irony three white men discuss the value of diversity in cybersecurity in the latest episode of CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast. So before you tell me we're three white men talking about diversity, I'm letting you know ahead of time we're three white men talking about diversity. We have no shame!

On this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast, we debate the following:

  • Microsoft Office macros still top the malware attack vector charts: After apparently three decades it appears that MS Office macros are still the attack point of choice of malicious hackers. What legacy nonsense are enterprises still holding onto?
  • What's the real value of diversity? As I readily admitted, our all white male panel confesses that lack of diversity results in group think and unconscious bias.
  • We play a round of "What's Worse?!" This one has to do with budget and there's a split decision! Which one do you think is worse?
  • Please, Enough. No, More. (on endpoint security): There is a very long list of stuff Mike and our guest don't want to hear anymore about with regard to endpoint security. And similarly, there's plenty more they do want to hear about. Listen to know what you should be paying attention to regarding endpoint security.
  • Does complicating security infrastructure make us safer? What's the right balance of security complexity and simplicity to make your environment safer? If you've got more systems and more security applications in place that means you've got more vectors to exploit.
  • Ten second security tip: And as always, we've got a quick security tip so you don't have to listen to more than a minute of the show before you get some value of this podcast.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Tomer Weingarten, CEO, SentinelOne.

Special thanks to our sponsor, SentinelOne, for supporting this episode and the podcast. Learn more about their autonomous endpoint protection.

Catch up on past episodes plus read articles and watch the latest videos from the series at CISOseries.com.

Sep 18, 2018
Our Latest Product Release Includes Shiny New Security Vulnerabilities
31:30

We have an exciting announcement. Our latest version of the podcast is packed with new features and they're riddled with security holes. We know you wanted the features. The security vulnerabilities are just a bonus.

On this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast, we discuss:

  • Cybersecurity burnout: How bad is it? What can be done to mitigate it? And what are the warning signs? All tech professionals have burnout issues, but InfoSec has it toughest because it's very hard for them to get a sense of accomplishment for their work.
  • CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast is making an impact in the vendor community: We hear multiple stories from vendors how the advice from Mike and the guests is really changing the way they reach out to security professionals.
  • Are you willing to release a product with known security vulnerabilities? What if the customer really demands the new feature next week and they're expecting it, but remediation may take much longer. Do you give the customer what they want, or are there other solutions?
  • What's Worse?! We play a round of picking the worse of two evils. This one is all about training your staff.
  • We unleash another pitch on the security professionals: Their response will surprise you as will the outcome of this pitch.
  • Dumb CISO mistakes: This one actually may not be so dumb. It could actually be good advice when it comes to product testing.
  • Ten-second security tip: This one offers up a more holistic view of security that you may have not considered, but definitely should.

Special thanks to Signal Sciences for sponsoring this episode. If you’re using WAFs, make sure you read “Three Ways Legacy WAFs Fail,” by their head of research, James Wickett.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest is Anne Marie Zettlemoyer, a security strategist and independent researcher who is also on the board of directors for SSH.

 

Sep 10, 2018
Security Made the Mess. They Should Clean It Up.
29:53

Security is suffering from a serious Rodney Dangerfield "I get no respect" problem. What has often been seen as the department of "no" is struggling under that brand image. That's probably because security is often seen as an inhibitor rather than an enabler. If InfoSec wants to fix that perception, it'll be their responsibility to dig themselves out.

Here's what you'll hear on the latest episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast:

  • Nobody thinks security is their friend: How can security rid itself of this highly negative branding? Be problem solvers vs. problem creators.
  • Techniques to integrate AppSec into the DevOps process: It comes down to measurement, respecting an engineer's time, and learning from the success of one process and putting it into another. Read more great insight by Chris Steipp of Lyft.
  • We play "What's Worse?!" In this episode of the game we question the worst scenario of an encrypted or unencrypted laptop, but with qualifications.
  • Uggh, WAFs are NOT magical boxes: In a round of "Please, Enough. No, More." we challenge the way web application firewalls (WAFs) are being sold. WAFs need to be more friendly and flexible. No one believes you if you sell them as magical boxes that stop all attacks.
  • How can you be a great customer? We turn the tables from "Ask a CISO" to "Ask a Vendor" and ask what it takes to be a great customer. Vendors would like you to ttop kicking the tires and talk about solving real problems.
  • Plus a ten-second security tip: It may be cliche, but if security departments want to be more effective, they should be moving away from blocking to enabling.

Special thanks to Signal Sciences for sponsoring this episode. If you’re using WAFs, make sure you read “Three Ways Legacy WAFs Fail,” by their head of research, James Wickett.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Zane Lackey (@zanelackey), co-founder and CSO for Signal Sciences and author of the new book from O'Reilly, "Building a Modern Security Program."

Sponsor the Podcast

If you'd like to sponsor the podcast, contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Aug 27, 2018
BONUS: What's So Awesome About Being a CISO?
04:14

This is an extra segment we recorded with Dan Glass, former CISO, American Airlines for our last episode. It didn't make it into the last episode, but I thought it was still worthwhile to release as a short bonus mini episode of only four minutes. As always, the show includes myself, David Spark, founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Enjoy.

Aug 23, 2018
Job Opportunity: Unqualified AND Underpaid
31:24

We spend a good portion of this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast mocking unrealistic job listings that ask for too many unnecessary credentials and on top of it aren't willing to pay a fair market rate. Did companies forget that it's a buyers' market right now in security?

On this episode of the podcast we discuss:

  • The security semantics of "responsibility" vs. "accountability": Which one drives which behavior? And it is possible to try to compel one to the detriment of the other? See Chad Loder's post for more.
  • How do you motivate employees to be concerned about security outside of hammering them with pen tests and fake phishing emails? If it hasn't happened already, those tests to see how secure your environment is may backfire. What can you do to instill secure behavior without testing employees to the point of annoyance?
  • What do you think of this pitch? We get a split decision on a pitch of a company that's operating in a new category. Plus, advice on what never to do in a pitch.
  • Unrealistic expectations for position descriptions: Job descriptions in the security field seem to be getting longer, with more certification requirements, and lower pay. What's going on and do companies who list these types of jobs realize they're only hurting themselves? In a buyers' market you can't just put out an unrealistic job posting to "see who will respond." It will actually damage your brand.
  • Plus, a 10-second security tip (that's a few seconds longer): It's what you should be doing, but probably aren't doing.
  • And a visit from the host of The Cyberwire: Dave Bittner, from The Cyberwire, joins us for a discussion about his daily security tech news show and to tell us about the launch of two more security podcasts.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Dan Glass, former CISO (as of just a couple days ago) of American Airlines.

Special thanks to SpyCloud for sponsoring this episode. Learn more about how you can protect employees and customers from account takeover with SpyCloud.

Contributions. Contributions. Contributions.

I am cranking out a ton more content for not just the podcast, but also the entire series so I am very open and receptive to story ideas, suggestions for segments of the podcast, or anything else. Just connect with me on LinkedIn.

Sponsor the podcast

If you're interested in sponsoring the podcast, contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Aug 21, 2018
How CISOs Stay Current When They're Ignoring Vendor Pitches
36:18

We promise to keep your identity private while we discuss the troubles of two-factor authentication.

On this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast we discuss:

  • Why don't more people use two-factor authentication? Does the UX still suck? Why can't we agree on a common model for how to authenticate? Will U2F be the saving grace for 2FA? Story on the debate.
  • What are the signs your employees are going rogue? We debate the need to monitor employees this way. Are internal intrusions the same as external? Is monitoring the monitoring devices enough? What are the signs? Discussion on LinkedIn and a recommended book: "Nothing to Hide: The False Tradeoff between Privacy and Security."
  • We play a round of "What's Worse?!" It's the game where we determine which is the worst of two really bad practices. In this case, the CISOs have to choose between two unpleasant marketing practices.
  • How do CISOs balance compliance and security: The two aren't equal, but compliance is a means to prove that you're doing security right. Our guest hits it out of the park with a very clear explanation and also how to use compliance to better market your company.
  • How do CISOs discover new solutions: This might as well be the title of this podcast, but we delve into some unique angles that CISOs are taking as they're avoiding traditional pitches from security vendors. Discussion on LinkedIn.
  • Ten-second security tip touting the value of passphrases: See this cartoon for more.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Allan Alford (@AllanAlfordinTX), CISO, Mitel.

SentinelOne-Autonomous endpoint protection

Special thanks to our sponsor, SentinelOne, for supporting this episode and the podcast. Learn more about their autonomous endpoint protection.

Contributions. Contributions. Contributions.

I am cranking out a ton more content for not just the podcast, but also the entire series so I am very open and receptive to story ideas, suggestions for segments of the podcast, or anything else. Just connect with me on LinkedIn.

Sponsor the podcast

If you’re interested in sponsoring the podcast, contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Aug 14, 2018
Use Your CRM. CISOs Are Tired of Repeating Themselves.
29:27

Just because you have a new salesperson, doesn't mean you have to restart the sales process. If you've been properly entering information into your CRM, you shouldn't have to.

On this episode of the podcast we discuss:

  • Are you ready for...Black Hat: Techniques to get the most value out of the conference. We've got some really good post-conference suggestions.
  • What do you think of this pitch? We have one of those follow up pitches that just rubs CISOs and security professionals the wrong way.
  • It's time to play, "What's Worse?!" Both host and guest agreed on this one. It's possibly the worst of the worst.
  • Please, Enough. No, More: We discuss account takeover. What we've heard enough on this subject, and what we'd like to hear a lot more. Make sure to read Lyft's article about fingerprinting fraudulent behavior.
  • What's a CISO to do? Beyond blocking and responding, we discuss different tactics for offense and defense against cybercriminals. Which ones are most effective and which ones are ethically and morally wrong?
  • It's time for "Ask a Vendor!" Working off the same model as "Ask a CISO," we turn the tables and security professionals ask questions of vendors. This time, we asked about the use/non-use of CRMs.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Ted Ross (@tedross), CEO, SpyCloud.

Special thanks to SpyCloud for sponsoring this episode. Learn more about how you can protect employees and customers from account takeover with SpyCloud.

Contributions. Contributions. Contributions.

I am cranking out a ton more content for not just the podcast, but also the entire series so I am very open and receptive to story ideas, suggestions for segments of the podcast, or anything else. Just connect with me on LinkedIn.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Aug 06, 2018
Ultra Enhanced Deluxe AI with a Drop of Retsyn
29:44

Just like so many security products are infused with artificial intelligence, we've also got plenty of meaningless modifiers to describe this podcast.

On this episode we've got:

  • First 90 Days of a CISO. How do you assess talent already there, and how do you prioritize the new hires you need?
  • Please, Enough! No, More! We delve into the overexposure of AI (artificial intelligence) and machine learning. Are they the same thing? And what do CISOs actually want to hear more about on both of these topics?
  • "What's Worse?!" This is a brand new game where I ask the CISOs to determine which of two really bad security practices is worse.
  • What Do You Think of This Pitch? We've got another vendor pitch that the CISOs critique.
  • Ask a CISO. How are CISOs involved in purchase decisions that are not security related (e.g., cloud, networking, infrastructure).

Special thanks to Signal Sciences for sponsoring this episode. If you're using web application firewalls (WAFs), make sure you read "Three Ways Legacy WAFs Fail" by their head of research, James Wickett.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Dennis Leber (@dennisleber), CISO, Cabinet for Health and Family Services, Commonwealth of Kentucky and the self proclaimed "Most Interesting Man in Information Security."

We Want More of "What's Worse?!"

In this episode, I introduced a new segment, a game called "What's Worse?!" where I introduce two comparably bad security practices and ask the CISOs to debate on which is worse, and why. Fortunately in this episode the CISOs disagreed on both comparisons posed. I'm eager to challenge CISOs with more "What's Worse?!" questions. So if you've got a good one, please contact me here or on LinkedIn.

I'm also interested in:

  • “Ask a CISO” questions.
  • A vendor pitch you want us to critique.
  • A hot security discussion (please provide a link).
  • A quick security tip.
  • A big industry story and what it means to security professionals.

In all cases, we can mention you and your company name or keep you anonymous. Just let me know which you prefer.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Sponsor the Podcast

If your company would like to sponsor this podcast, please contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Jul 31, 2018
How to Choose a Bad Security Product
32:02

If I knew more about your current security needs, I'd probably be able to tell you what security product to buy. But that would require me to spend time understanding your needs and this podcast is only 30 minutes long. Instead, we decided to uncover the universal truths of what security product you shouldn't buy.

In this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship podcast, we uncover failed CISO product purchases plus:

  • Do temporary dips in hacker attacks change your security posture?
  • What CISOs LOVE to see in their inbox. For this week, we're talking about their favorite reports.
  • What metrics are CISOs following? And what are the metrics CISOs use to determine those metrics? Oh, and are there any metrics CISOs should ignore?
  • Our CISOs digest a vendor pitch.
  • And for "Ask a CISO," we question the value of case studies in print or video form.
  • And as always, we launch the show with a 10-second security tip!

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Randall (Fritz) Frietzsche (@frietzche), CISO, Denver Health, Denver ISSA distinguished fellow, and teaches at Harvard University.

We Want Your Input and Critiques

For every episode we want input from listeners!

Please contact me here or on LinkedIn and send me the following:

  • “Ask a CISO” question.
  • A vendor pitch you want us to critique.
  • A hot security discussion (please provide a link).
  • A quick security tip.
  • A big industry story and what it means to security professionals.

In all cases, we can or can’t mention you and your company name or keep you anonymous. Just let me know what you want.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Sponsor the Podcast

If your company would like to sponsor this podcast, please contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

 

Jul 24, 2018
We Have the Silver Bullet for BS Detection
33:27

We're fed up with vendors who think they can detect any breach, but we're not fed up with breach detection.

On this week's episode:

  • Are millennials excited or not excited about working in security? Supposedly, nine percent of all millennials are interested in a job of security. Is that good news/bad news/misrepresented news? (Read the story)
  • Haroon Meer's amazingly open story of the money Thinkst spent at RSA 2018. Was it worth it? Great advice for anyone else sponsoring a big tech conference. (Read the story)
  • Are you sponsoring Black Hat or another big tech conference? Pick up my book, Three Feet from Seven Figures: One-on-One Engagement Techniques to Qualify More Leads at Trade Shows.
  • We talk about breach detection and the use of deception devices.
  • When a breach happens, should you or shouldn't you blame the victim?
  • How should security sales managers pump up their team for sales? Is letting people know that they're the only ones to fix their customers' problems the right tactic?

Thinkst - Canary

This episode is sponsored by Thinkst, makers of Canary deception devices. Read how much their customers love their product here.

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Haroon Meer (@haroonmeer), founder and researcher of Thinkst.

We Want Your Input and Critiques

For every episode we want input from listeners!

Please contact me here or on LinkedIn and send me the following:

  • “Ask a CISO” question.
  • A vendor pitch you want us to critique.
  • A hot security discussion (please provide a link).
  • A quick security tip.
  • A big industry story and what it means to security professionals.

In all cases, we can or can’t mention you and your company name or keep you anonymous. Just let me know what you want.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Sponsor the Podcast

If your company would like to sponsor this podcast, please contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Jul 17, 2018
Is Password2 More Secure Than Password1?
30:38

Are you managing your passwords the same today as you did five years ago? On this episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship podcast, we discuss the changing landscape of what we once thought were best practices, but aren't anymore.

On this episode:

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Maxime Rousseau (@maxrousseau), CISO, Personal Capital.

We Want Your Input and Critiques

For every episode we want input from listeners!

Please contact me here or on LinkedIn and send me the following:

  • “Ask a CISO” question.
  • A vendor pitch you want us to critique.
  • A hot security discussion (please provide a link).
  • A quick security tip.
  • A big industry story and what it means to security professionals.

In all cases, we can or can’t mention you and your company name or keep you anonymous. Just let me know what you want.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Sponsor the Podcast

If your company would like to sponsor this podcast, please contact David Spark at Spark Media Solutions.

Jul 10, 2018
Stop Asking CISOs if They Care about Security
27:15

Want to get under a CISO's skin? Ask them if they have a concern for security in their environment. It's like asking a chef if they're concerned about preparing food. In this week's episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast we learn how the following:

  • Dumbest mistakes you can make as a CISO
  • What to do on day 1 when you're a CISO
  • Why is everyone talking about this now? Questioning a CISO's job interests.
  • Please, Enough. No, More on GDPR.
  • We critique a vendor pitch.
  • And "Ask a CISO."

As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Richard Greenberg (@ragreenberg), CISO, LA County Department of Health Services as well as chapter presidents of ISSA and OWASP in Los Angeles.

This episode is sponsored by Signal Sciences. We thank them for their support.

We Want Your Input and Critiques

For every episode we want input from listeners!

Please contact me here or on LinkedIn and send me the following:

  • “Ask a CISO” question.
  • A vendor pitch you want us to critique.
  • A hot security discussion (please provide a link).
  • A quick security tip.
  • A big industry story and what it means to security professionals.

In all cases, we can or can’t mention you and your company name or keep you anonymous. Just let me know what you want.

Listen and Subscribe to the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast

So many ways to connect and listen to the podcast.

Sponsor the Podcast

If your company would like to sponsor this podcast, please contact David Spark at http://www.sparkmediasolutions.com/contact/Spark Media Solutions.

Jul 03, 2018
Katy Perry Recommends Two-Factor Authentication
29:06

Did Katy Perry provide sound security advice, or didn’t she? You’ll have to listen to the latest episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast to find out. In this episode:

  As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Richard Rushing (@secrich), CISO, Motorola Mobility. The written content for this podcast was first published on Security Boulevard.

Jun 26, 2018
Your ‘Go-To Source’ for Unnecessary Cyber Terror Alerts
29:03

On this week’s episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship podcast we ask, “What good is a security alert if there’s no actionable item?” As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Wendy Nather (@wendynather), director, advisory CISOs, Duo Security.   On this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Flex your incident response muscles.
  • Does your cybersecurity policy change around high-profile events?
  • What’s the definition of cybersecurity and why do so many people care?
  • How a security vendor helped me a long time ago, but Mike thought about them this week.
  • A couple of vendors submit their pitches for a critique. One is confusing and one is almost perfect.
  • And a couple of “Ask a CISO” questions.

  The written content for this podcast was first published on Security Boulevard.

Jun 19, 2018
CISOs Don’t Care About Your Funny Sales Pitch
31:02

Don’t bother trying to craft a potentially clever, funny and adorable email that you hope will tickle a security practitioner; it’s simply not going to work. When it comes to security pitches, practitioners just want the facts. While humor is appreciated, a cold email pitch is not the time to showcase your creative writing skills. As always, the show is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), founder, Spark Media Solutions  and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft. Our guest this week is Jeremiah Grossman (@jeremiahg), CEO, Bit Discovery.   On this week’s CISO/Security Vendor Relationship podcast, You’ll discover that InfoSec truism and:

  • 10-second security tip (do you have these security controls in place?).
  • The correct pronunciation of CISO (and whether anyone cares).
  • Consumers and activists issuing lawsuits in the name of GDPR and why that’s a good thing for the future of GDPR.
  • The increasing cost of breaches.
  • A new method to get a security practitioner’s time (Is the idea so crazy it will work? Or do we just need more crazy ideas?).
  • How a security vendor helped me this week.

  The written content for this podcast was first published on Security Boulevard.

Jun 13, 2018
Security Vendors Buy Their First Pack of Condoms
27:59

After tackling some dodgy audio issues, we have released the second episode of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship podcast with our guest Kip Boyle (@KipBoyle), CEO of Cyber Risk Opportunities. Subscribe to Kip’s podcast. As always, the show is hosted by myself, David Spark (@dspark), Founder, Spark Media Solutions and Mike Johnson, CISO, Lyft.   In this episode, “Security Vendors Buy Their First Pack of Condoms”:

  • 10-second security tip.
  • Amazon Alexa hacked or just a failure of the technology?
  • Does rebooting your router help or is it just security theater?
  • Will automation replace entry-level SOC jobs and if so, how do we bring in new security talent?
  • How security vendors helped me this week.
  • Security vendors padding their pitches.
  • Mitigating new risks or getting back to security basics?

  The written content for this podcast was first published on Security Boulevard. Creative Commons photo attribution to Peter Rivera.

Jun 04, 2018
A Privacy Policy Written in English (Introducing the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast with Mike Johnson and David Spark)
30:14

I’m proud and excited to announce the launch of the CISO/Security Vendor Relationship Podcast based on the series of articles and videos I produced that examine the relationship between security buyers and sellers. That series was heavily inspired by the writings, posts and insane engagement that Mike Johnson, CISO of Lyft, continues to drive on LinkedIn. And what’s even more awesome, Mike agreed to be my co-host! For our first episode, Mike and I invite Dwayne Melançon (@ThatDwayne), CTO, Innovyze.   In this episode we have:

The written content for this podcast was first published on Security Boulevard.

Jun 01, 2018