Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast

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In each episode of this show from David Zwirner, the gallery pairs artists and creative people to discuss art and their process for making things. Featuring major figures from the worlds of art, architecture, music, and beyond–Jeff Koons to Vija Celmins, Jeremy O. Harris to Hilton Als–in open-ended conversation.

Episode Date
Episode 24 | R. Crumb and Art Spiegelman
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Two icons of the comics world—and old friends—tell their cartoonist origin stories, from the psychedelics-fueled breakthroughs of the 1960s to finding their singular styles and the generational divide among the comics cognoscenti today. R. Crumb is one of the founding fathers of the alternative comics movement, and Art Spiegelman is equally influential, having authored the Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel Maus. 
May 21, 2020
Episode 23 | Patrick Staff and Julie Tolentino
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A conversation between two dynamic artists and good friends, Patrick Staff and Julie Tolentino, whose work feels especially urgent now. Staff, who recently had a solo exhibition at the Serpentine Galleries in London, uses video and other mediums to comment on body politics from a queer and trans perspective. Tolentino also addresses issues facing marginalized groups, through performance that combines her dance background with social exchange. Always integral to their practices, these concerns are only heightened in the current moment. Here, they discuss contagion, toxicity, anxiety, the “leaky body,” and art during the pandemic.  Patrick Staff’s work is currently on view as part of Platform: Los Angeles, an online exhibition featuring thirteen Los Angeles-based galleries hosted on David Zwirner Online. You can learn more about Julie Tolentino’s work via the gallery Commonwealth and Council. 
May 15, 2020
Episode 22 | To Venice and Rome
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A conversation with the acclaimed poet and New Yorker writer Cynthia Zarin that transports us to two of her favorite cities, Venice and Rome, in a celebration of Italy as the country begins to loosen the longest coronavirus-related lockdown in Europe. The episode features evocative readings from her forthcoming book,Two Cities, which captures the meditative yet constantly surprising nature of travel from a deeply personal point of view.  Learn more about Two Cities here. 
May 06, 2020
Episode 21 | Diana Thater and Rachel Rose
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Artists Diana Thater, a leading pioneer of video and installation and major figure in the L.A. art community since the early 1990s, and Rachel Rose, a defining new voice of the medium, discuss the rapid evolution of video art and its limitless possibilities—including, for both of them, its ability to reckon with personal trauma and threats to the environment.
Apr 24, 2020
Episode 20 | Minimalism Today
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A timely conversation with the art critic Kyle Chayka, author of The Longing for Less: Living with Minimalism, on how minimalism went from radical 1960s art movement to, ironically, a hyper-commercialized lifestyle adopted by luxury brands and millennials everywhere—and where Marie Kondo and Agnes Martin overlap, if at all.  During this time, we’re evolving to give you even more to listen to, with one-on-one episodes with the people—and on the subjects—we find compelling now. Please stay tuned. You can buy Chayka’s book here. 
Apr 14, 2020
Episode 19 | Antwaun Sargent and Tyler Mitchell
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Photographer Tyler Mitchell and critic/curator Antwaun Sargent on the radical power shift from gatekeepers to artists, the breakdown of barriers between fashion and art photography, cautionary tales of social media groupthink and overexposure, and historical artists who made the new black vanguard possible.
Apr 07, 2020
Episode 18 | On Noah Davis: Helen Molesworth, Kahlil Joseph, and Karon Davis
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A special episode dedicated to the late artist Noah Davis, with the people who knew him best. The curator Helen Molesworth, his brother, the filmmaker Kahlil Joseph, and his wife, the artist Karon Davis, remember Davis, whose legacy continues to grow—through his paintings, which depict everyday life with emotional and formal ambition; The Underground Museum, the space he founded in Los Angeles that combines many different worlds; and the family, literal and figurative, that coalesces around the magnetism of his personality. You can learn more about Davis here.
Apr 01, 2020
Episode 17 | Mamma Andersson and Jockum Nordström
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A rare conversation between artists who have stayed together for over three decades. The Swedish artist Karin “Mamma” Andersson and her husband Jockum Nordström’s story—of two young artists leaning on each other as their family grew; of uncertainty and insecurity and figuring out how to be different but together; of the pleasure of getting completely lost in one’s work—feels especially potent in these uncertain times. Andersson’s recent exhibition at David Zwirner’s New York gallery, The Lost Paradise, was cut short due to the escalating spread of COVID-19, but you can explore the show here.
Mar 25, 2020
Jeff Koons Redux
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In uncertain and even scary times, host Lucas Zwirner revisits the first episode of Dialogues, in which Jeff Koons and the curator Luke Syson turn to art as a way of connecting and communicating through making something—an ethos that feels even more important now.  Soon Dialogues will return with even more episodes to stay in touch with our audience. Stay tuned for much more. 
Mar 19, 2020
Episode 16 | Doug Wheeler and Vija Celmins
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In this episode, the artists Doug Wheeler and Vija Celmins revisit their years in Venice Beach, CA in the late 1960s, a scene crowded with figures like Charles Bukowski, Allen Ginsberg, Robert Irwin, and James Turrell. Wheeler and Celmins—old friends and visionaries of their medium—gossip, rehash, map, and even correct this vital piece of art history, while tackling a central question of art along the way: How to impress your sensibility upon the world through your work. Vija Celmins was the subject of a recent, critically-beloved retrospective at the Met Breuer and SFMOMA. Doug Wheeler currently has an exhibition at David Zwirner in New York through March 21, 2020; a definitive monograph of his career was recently published.
Feb 26, 2020
Season 3 Trailer
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Dialogues is returning soon with a new season of very special guests including Doug Wheeler, Vija Celmins, Tyler Mitchell, Helen Molesworth, Kahlil Joseph, R. Crumb, and Luc Tuymans. New episodes every other Wednesday starting February 26th.
Feb 19, 2020
Marcel Dzama and Will Butler (Re-run)
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We're taking a quick break from new episodes but please enjoy this episode from the first season of 'Dialogues' with the artist Marcel Dzama and the musician Will Butler of the band Arcade Fire. 
Dec 27, 2019
Episode 15 | Thom Browne and Michael Glover
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The designer Thom Browne and the poet and critic Michael Glover talk about the history of the codpiece in art. Glover has written a book (Thrust) on the topic and Browne's collections often include codpieces. Show Notes: Thom Browne Thrust: A Spasmodic Pictorial History of the Codpiece in Art (Michael Glover, David Zwirner Books) Attachments area  
Dec 12, 2019
Episode 14 | Eileen Myles and Flavin Judd
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Eileen Myles talks to Flavin Judd about Marfa past and present, her "mammoth" new novel, and Donald Judd's life and work. Show Notes Donald Judd Interviews (David Zwirner Books, 2019, edited by Flavin Judd and Caitlin Murray) "MoMA Announces Donald Judd Retrospective" (March 1 -July 11, 2020 at the Museum of Modern Art) Judd Foundation
Dec 04, 2019
Episode 13 | Oscar Murillo and Charles Henry Rowell
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This episode pairs artist Oscar Murillo with the editor Charles Henry Rowell for a conversation about class, race, art, and the African cultural diaspora that is one part history lesson and one part personal history.  Murillo is short-listed for the 2019 Turner Prize and Rowell is the founder and editor of Callalloo, the longest continuously running African-American literary journal.  The Turner Prize exhibition runs through January 12, 2020, at Turner Contemporary in Margate, UK. (The winner will be announced on December 3.) Read more about Callaloo here. 
Nov 20, 2019
Episode 12 | The Yayoi Kusama Phenomenon
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This episode is all about Yayoi Kusama and art in the Instagram age. JiaJia Fei, a digital guru for institutions like the Jewish Museum and the Guggenheim, and Christian Luiten, founder of the popular digital art platform Avant Arte, come together to talk authenticity vs. influence, high vs. low, art vs. accessibility, narrative vs. myth—and to diagnose the unabating online fanaticism for all things Kusama, an Instagram icon who isn’t on Instagram.  Listen for a special code that will allow the first 100 subscribers who email to skip the line at the Yayoi Kusama show at David Zwirner Gallery. 
Nov 07, 2019
Episode 11 | Chris Ofili and Emily Wilson
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An epic live episode of Dialogues. In journeying deep into Homer’s Odyssey in front of an audience at David Zwirner’s 69th Street gallery in New York, artist Chris Ofili and classicist Emily Wilson encounter religion, art, personal history, gender issues, Trinidad, Greece, truth, lies. Featuring a live reading from Wilson, the first woman to translate The Odyssey into English and a 2019 MacArthur Fellow
Oct 23, 2019
Episode 10 | Alex Da Corte and Charlie Fox
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When the artist Alex Da Corte and the writer Charlie Fox talk about Edward Scissorhands, Frankenstein, Hercules, Michael Myers, A Clockwork Orange, Scar from The Lion King, they’re also talking about beauty and body anxiety and disability and sexual attraction and queerness—the anxieties of existing physically in the world every day. Da Corte, whose elaborate videos, sculptures, and installations critically re-stage pop culture, art history, and his own life, and Fox, whose recent book This Young Monster celebrates beautiful misfits and freaks across all walks of culture, go deep on how they live—in their minds and in their work—far from what they call normative behavior.

Visit Da Corte’s solo exhibition in New York at Karma through November 3 and his work at the Venice Biennale through November 24, in the main exhibition May You Live in Interesting Times. Buy Fox’s book This Young Monster here
Oct 09, 2019
Episode 9 | Jordan Wolfson and Jeremy O. Harris
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When the artist Jordan Wolfson and the playwright Jeremy O. Harris get together, sparks fly. Wolfson’s art confronts intimacy, violence, and desire with sometimes shocking honesty. Likewise, O. Harris, whose buzzed-about and radical Slave Play comes to Broadway this fall, uses music and bodies to complicate themes of violence and sex—and perhaps most powerfully of all, race and history. O. Harris is able to dip in and out of absurdity even at his most serious, something that Wolfson has also mastered in his mysterious narratives. Here, they debate and cover everything from suppression and transgression, sexuality, Lady Gaga, porn, and more.

Get tickets to Jeremy O. Harris’s Slave Play at the Golden Theatre on Broadway here.



Sep 25, 2019
Episode 8 | Hilton Als and Thelma Golden
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A revealing conversation about the life and teachings of James Baldwin that draws on Beauford Delaney, the pivotal role of invested teachers, and how the writer shaped the racial and cultural landscape in America.
In this episode of Dialogues, Pulitzer Prize winning cultural critic Hilton Als is joined in conversation by friend, collaborator, and thought partner Thelma Golden of The Studio Museum in Harlem for a conversation on Baldwin that traces back to their very first meeting at The Odeon. Brought together on the occasion of the exhibition God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin curated by Als, the duo examine the legacy of Baldwin and his impact on both their own work and today’s culture.
God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin is on view at David Zwirner, New York, through 2 PM Saturday, February 16, 2019.
For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.
Feb 14, 2019
Episode 7 | Nicholas Fox Weber and Paul Smith
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A conversation about clothing, instinct, and finding high art in everyday life that touches on Jackie O, Kandinsky, and the Bauhaus.

In this episode of Dialogues,Nicholas Fox Weber—cultural historian and executive director of The Josef and Anni Albers Foundation—is paired with acclaimed British fashion designer Sir Paul Smith. The two are brought together on the occasion of a major retrospective of Anni Albers’s work, currently on view at Tate Modern, London, to discuss Smith’s new knitwear collection inspired by her textiles. Their shared admiration for the art of Anni and Josef Albers drives an eclectic conversation about abstraction, aesthetics, and the tactile nature of design.

Anni Albers is on view at Tate Modern, London, through January 27, 2019.

Listen to Paul Smith discuss his interest in the life and work of Anni Albers at Tate Modern on Saturday, November 17, at 3 PM. For more information, visit tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/anni-albers/paul-smith-on-anni-albers.

For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.
Nov 14, 2018
Episode 6 | Jarrett Earnest and Peter Schjeldahl
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A conversation about the intersection of art and language that grapples with loneliness, religion, and our visceral reactions in the presence of powerful art. 
In the sixth episode of Dialogues, Jarrett Earnest—author of the unprecedented overview of American art writing, What it Means to Write About Art: Interviews with art critics, just out from David Zwirner Books—converses with Peter Schjeldahl, award-winning art critic and esteemed writer for The New Yorker. Touching on Piero della Francesca, Gatsby, and autodidacticism, the two examine the depths of language, the anxiety that accompanies writing, and the value of maintaining a lighthearted approach.
See Jarrett Earnest in conversation with Peter Schjeldahl and Paul Chaat Smith on What it Means to Write About Art at the Strand Book Store on Thursday, November 1, at 7:30 PM. For tickets and more information, visit strandbooks.com/event/jarrett-earnest-what-it-means.
For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.
Oct 17, 2018
Episode 5 | Marcel Dzama and Will Butler
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A conversation about instinct in creative practice that nods to punk rock, fatherhood, and the ethics of artistic expression.

In the fifth episode of Dialogues, artist Marcel Dzama—known for his whimsical style, distinctive color palette, and varying mediums that include drawing, sculpture, film, and costume design—is paired with musician and composer Will Butler, a key member of the indie-rock band Arcade Fire. Recounting influences from their upbringings that range from Duchamp to biker culture, Vikings to variety shows, the duo discuss the role of art as a form of revolution in the current political climate.

See Dzama’s work in the exhibition Marcel Dzama: A Jester’s Dance on view at the University of Michigan Museum of Art in Ann Arbor through September 23, 2018.

Watch Will Butler perform live in Arcade Fire, currently on tour through North America. Visit everythingnow.com for tour dates and more information.

For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.
Aug 29, 2018
Episode 4 | Lisa Yuskavage and Tamara Jenkins
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A conversation about giving a voice to untold stories that draws on Jane Campion, Philip Guston, and the raw authenticity of human emotion.

The fourth episode of Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast features painter Lisa Yuskavage—known for her masterful portraits of nude figures and her skillful control of color—in conversation with widely celebrated screenwriter and film director Tamara Jenkins. Counterparts and close friends, Yuskavage and Jenkins discuss how personal experiences inform their creativity—touching on dark comedy, eroticism, and the importance of trusting your own vision.

View new large-scale canvases and a survey of small-scale paintings by Lisa Yuskavage in her forthcoming exhibitions, opening this November, at David Zwirner’s Chelsea and Upper East Side locations.

Watch Tamara Jenkins’s newest film, Private Life, in theaters this October.

For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.

This podcast is a partnership between David Zwirner and Slate Studios.
Aug 08, 2018
Episode 3 | Stan Douglas and Jason Moran
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A conversation about collaboration and the obsessive power of good music—touching on Netflix, Kendrick Lamar, and what it’s like to play with Miles Davis. 

In the third episode of Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast, photographer and multimedia artist Stan Douglas speaks with MacArthur Award–winning pianist and composer Jason Moran—currently Artistic Director for Jazz at the Kennedy Center—about making and experiencing art. These longtime friends and collaborators discuss what it means to awaken ideas through the language of improvisation and exceed viewer expectations.

See Douglas’s work in Shape of Light: 100 Years of Photography and Abstract Art at Tate Modern, London, and I Was Raised on the Internet at the Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago, both on view through October 14, 2018.

Watch Jason Moran perform with saxophonist Charles Lloyd on August 4 and 5 at the Newport Jazz Festival in Rhode Island. For tickets and more information visit newportjazz.org.

For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.
Jul 25, 2018
Episode 2 | Rose Wylie and Russell Tovey
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A conversation about the importance of character, the value of mistakes, and painting from film.

In the second pairing in David Zwirner’s Dialogues series, the critically-acclaimed painter—and recent recipient of the Queen’s OBE award—Rose Wylie talks with the actor Russell Tovey from BBC’s Being Human and HBO’s Looking. Wylie, an admirer of cinema, and Tovey, a fan and collector of Wylie’s work, engage in a conversation about improvisation, instincts, and creative influences that T Magazine describes as “charmingly off-the-cuff.”

You can view Rose Wylie: Hullo, Hullo . . .  at the Centro de Arte Contemporáneo in Málaga, Spain through September 9 and Rose Wylie: History Painting at Newlyn Art Gallery & The Exchange through September 15, 2018.

For more of what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer or visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.

This podcast is a partnership between David Zwirner and Slate Studios.
Jul 11, 2018
Episode 1 | Jeff Koons and Luke Syson
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A conversation about Duchamp, Michael Jackson, the allure of the Renaissance in the age of Instagram, and more.

In the debut episode of David Zwirner’s new podcast, world-renowned artist Jeff Koons talks with Luke Syson, Chairman of European Sculpture and Decorative Arts at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. Their far-ranging exchange touches on creative impulse and resisting elitism; polychromy and Pop culture; Plato’s cave and the iPhone; evolution and reality TV.

View Koons’s work at the Met Breuer, New York in “Like Life: Sculpture, Color, and the Body (1300–Now), curated by Syson and Sheena Wagstaff, Leonard A. Lauder Chairman of Modern and Contemporary Art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, through July 22, 2018.

For more on what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer and visit davidzwirner.com/podcast.

This podcast is a partnership between David Zwirner and Slate Studios.
Jun 27, 2018
Trailer
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Preview the new podcast from David Zwirner. Hosted by Lucas Zwirner, each episode is dedicated to bringing together two extraordinary artists or cultural leaders from the worlds of art, architecture, film, and music for an open-ended conversation about art, culture, and the creative process. Debuting June 2018, Dialogues is the latest installment in a series of initiatives celebrating the gallery’s twenty-fifth anniversary, which launched in January 2018 with a multi-gallery retrospective in New York and the opening of David Zwirner Hong Kong.
Jun 19, 2018