That's Not Spit, It's Condensation!

By Ryan Beach

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“That’s Not Spit, It’s Condensation” is a weekly podcast with conversations and discussions about all things music. In it, we’ll peel back the layers of what makes great musicians great, hoping to inspire others to achieve their maximum potential.

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#32: The 3 F's Of Orchestral Success

In this episode, we are going to discuss three things that I believe are essential to being successful as an orchestral musician: flexibility, focus, and fun. I chose these topics as ones that aren't as often discussed as things like being prepared, being on time, etc.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Oct 15, 2019
#31: Freeway Philharmonic: Jamie Whitmarsh

In this episode, I speak with Jamie Whitmarsh, a freelance percussionist and composer in the Oklahoma City area. He discuss building a freelance career, as well as how to start your own large ensemble, and the challenges associated with that.

Here are some links Jamie gave me to share:

Composer Diversity Database

A fantastic tool to discover new music. There are so many new pieces out there that could change your life, this is one way to find some of them. You can search for pretty much anyone who isn’t a straight, white male, and select different instrumentation or genres.

New Music Box

This is a great way to stay plugged into the modern world of music. So many great articles are written, with lively discussions in the comments. 

Oklahoma Modern Music Collective

OKMMC is dedicated to bringing the music of OUR time to audiences everywhere. We believe that the music being written now can be accessible, relevant, and relatable to everyone. Several ensembles are part of this - Duo Rodinia (clarinet and percussion), Great Plains Percussion Group (percussion collective), nu (recording chamber group), and the Oklahoma Composer’s Orchestra. 

New Music Engine

This is a great platform for composers to find new opportunities or for performers to host calls for scores/competitions. OKMMC worked with them on multiple calls for scores, and they have been incredibly helpful. 

Jamie's biography -

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Oct 08, 2019
#30: Jay Evans

In this episode, we're talking with Jay Evans, the principal trombonist of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra. We talk about the Grand Teton Music Festival, training for an triathlon event, what setting personal records in his musical practice, and much more. I hope you enjoy the episode!

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

Jay Evans is currently Principal Trombonist of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra, a position he has held since October, 2000. As soloist, Jay has performed in numerous concerts including Jim Pugh's Concerto for Trombone and Nino Rota's Concerto for Trombone and Orchestra.  He was also featured in a memorable concert with Olivia Newton-John and the ASO, performing on the Australian Aboriginal instrument, the Didgeridoo.

Spending his early years in Iowa, Jay's parents were tremendously supportive of his music studies.  His father, a former tuba player, would humbly quote "...and I modestly took my place as the only and only bass, and I oompahed up and down the square" in reference to his being the only tubist of the Mason City High School band, inspiring Meredith Willson, while visiting, to include these lyrics in his musical, "The Music Man."

Jay received a Bachelor of Music degree at Morningside College in Sioux City, Iowa, while holding the position of Principal Trombone of the South Dakota Symphony Orchestra. He later received a Master of Music degree from North Texas State University, during which time he performed with the Dallas Cowboys Band.  He later moved to New York City to perform monthly with the National Orchestral Association in Carnegie Hall, and frequently performed with the Metropolitan Opera, New York Philharmonic, American Symphony, New York City Opera National Company, the Springfield (MA) Symphony and Miss Saigon on Broadway.

As a Fellow in Trombone at the Tanglewood Music Center, Jay performed with notable conductors Leonard Bernstein, Seiji Ozawa and Jeffrey Tate.  He was also a participant at the Spoleto Festival Due dei Monde in Spoleto, Italy, and Charleston, SC.  Jay toured extensively throughout North America, Japan and Australia with the broadway production of, The Music of Andrew Lloyd Webber in Concert, starring Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman.  And as a member of the highly acclaimed, 'Dallas Brass', Jay performed throughout the United States.  Special appearances included solos with the New York Pops with Skitch Henderson in Carnegie Hall, the Philadelphia Pops with Peter Nero and the Cincinnati Pops with Erich Kunzel conducting.

Before settling in Alabama, Jay held positions with The Lyric Opera of Chicago and the Grant Park Orchestra.  He still returns regularly to perform with Chicago's Music of the Baroque, and spends summers as a member of the Grand Teton Music Festival.

Jay Evans is currently a Low Brass Instructor at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, the University of Montevallo, and UAB, and maintains an active private teaching studio. He is a Shires Instruments Artist/Clinician.


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Oct 01, 2019
#29: Carlos Izcary: Part 3

In this episode, Carlos answers the question "What is an orchestra's role in serving the community it is in?" In my journey to find out why musicians think classical music is relevant and important, Carlos' answer provides some important insight and wisdom as to why a community should care about having a symphony orchestra as part of it's culture.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

Carlos' bio -

Carlos Izcaray is Music Director of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra and of the American Youth Symphony. Praised by the international press as inspiring, spirited and conducting with nuanced sensitivity, he has appeared with numerous ensembles across five continents and is now firmly established as one of the leading conductors of his generation. Throughout his career Izcaray has shown special interest and prowess in tackling some of the most complex scores in the symphonic repertoire, while also championing a historically informed approach.

On the symphonic platform he is leading ensembles such as the Pacific, St. Louis, North Carolina, Grand Rapids and Kitchener-Waterloo Symphonies, Los Angeles Chamber Orchestra, Chamber Orchestra of San Antonio, Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra, Orchester der Komischen Oper Berlin, Malmö Symfoniorkester, Filarmonica Arturo Toscanini, Orquestra Sinfónica do Porto Casa da Música, Orquesta Filarmónica de Bogotá, Orchestra Regionale dell’Emilia-Romagna, Orchestre de Chambre de Lausanne, Macedonian Philharmonic, Orquestra Sinfônica da Bahia, Kwazulu-Natal Philharmonic, National Symphony Orchestra of Colombia, Venezuela Symphony Orchestra, and Orquesta Sinfónica Municipal de Caracas, among others. Izcaray’s latest recording, ‘Through the Lens of Time’, featuring Max Richter’s Recomposed: Vivaldi’s Four Seasons with the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra and violinist Francisco Fullana, was released in March 2018 on the Orchid Classics label, and has garnered widespread attention and praise.

Izcaray is equally at home with opera repertoire, receiving rave reviews for his performances at the Opera Theatre of Saint Louis, Utah Opera, Opera Omaha, International Opera Festival Alejandro Granda in Peru, and in particular at the Wexford Festival Opera, where he has led many productions since the opening of Ireland’s National Opera House. His 2010 performances of Virginia by Mercadante won the Best Opera prize at the Irish Theatre Awards.

A strong believer of supporting the younger generations, Izcaray has worked extensively with the world’s top talents and leading music institutions, including his country’s own El Sistema. In 2014 he led a tour of the Filarmónica Joven de Colombia, and he has additionally worked with the Fundación Batuta, Neojiba in Brazil, London Schools Symphony Orchestra, and Cambridge University Music Society, where he has also taught conducting workshops. Following a project at the Interlochen Center for the Arts in summer 2015 he returned there for a performance with the World Youth Symphony Orchestra in 2017. Building on his passion for music education, he became the Music Director of the American Youth Symphony in autumn 2016.

A distinguished instrumentalist himself, Izcaray has featured as concert soloist and chamber musician worldwide, and served as Principal Cello and Artistic President of the Venezuela Symphony Orchestra prior to dedicating his career fully to the podium. Increasingly active as a composer, Izcaray’s orchestral work Cota Mil was premiered by the Orquesta Sinfónica Municipal de Caracas. April 2018 saw the premiere of his Strike Fugaz by the American Youth Symphony, commissioned in association with the Human Rights Watch to commemorate, and celebrate, the campaign for worldwide social justice, equality and freedom - a cause for which Izcaray is a proud and committed advocate. Izcaray’s Cello Concerto receives its world premiere in J

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Sep 22, 2019
#28: Discipline For A Better Future

In this episode, we're going to discuss how discipline can be beneficial in our lives, using fun quotes to make it less horrible to talk about.

Read the blog post on my website for updated thoughts about my journey to being more disciplined!

Here are the quotes from the episode:
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn

"Some people regard discipline as a chore. For me, it is a kind of order that sets me free to fly" - Julie Andrews

"A disciplined mind leads to happiness, and an undisciplined mind leads to suffering." - the current Dalai Lama

"No man is such a conqueror, as the one that has defeated himself" - Henry Ward Beecher
"One discipline always leads to another" - Jim Rohn

"You were born with potential. You were born with goodness and trust. You were born with ideals and dreams. You were born with greatness. You were born with wings. You are not meant for crawling, so don't. You have wings. Learn to use them" - Rumi

"There are two primary choices in life: to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility to change them" - Dennis Waitley

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there. You must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Sep 15, 2019
#27: Winning the Job: Mark Maliniak and Jaclyn Rainey

Mark Maliniak joined the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra as Fourth/Utility Trumpet in September 2018. Mr. Maliniak has toured both nationally and internationally with The Cleveland Orchestra, The Philadelphia Orchestra, San Francisco Symphony, Indianapolis Symphony, and Buffalo Philharmonic. He has appeared regularly as guest principal trumpet with the Detroit Symphony, Jacksonville Symphony, Malaysian Philharmonic, and Tucson Symphony, where he was also a featured soloist. Mr. Maliniak has also performed with the Kansas City Symphony, New World Symphony, Pittsburgh Symphony, Rochester Philharmonic, and Utah Symphony and has recorded with the Buffalo Philharmonic, Detroit Symphony and Utah Symphony.

A native of Cleveland, Ohio, Mr. Maliniak received a Bachelor of Music degree from the Baldwin-Wallace University Conservatory of Music as a student of Jack Sutte and a Master of Music degree from the Cleveland Institute of Music as a student of Michael Sachs. He has had additional studies with Jack Brndiar, Michael Miller, and Lyle Steelman. Mr. Maliniak has attended the Music Academy of the West, Pacific Music Festival, Verbier Festival and Tanglewood Music Center, where he was the recipient of the Roger Voisin Trumpet Award. Mark Maliniak is a Conn-Selmer Performing Artist.

Jaclyn Rainey was appointed Associate Principal horn of the Los Angeles Philharmonic in 2018. Prior to her appointment Ms. Rainey served as Third horn with the Atlanta Symphony for four seasons, Acting Principal horn with the Naples Philharmonic as well as Associate Principal horn with the Louisiana Philharmonic. Rainey, a Louisville, KY native, has performed with the Boston Symphony Orchestra, Buffalo Philharmonic, Cincinnati Symphony, Kansas City Symphony, Louisville Orchestra, Milwaukee Symphony, San Antonio Symphony, Sarasota Orchestra and spent two summers as a fellow at the Tanglewood Music Center. Rainey was a winner of the MTNA Senior Brass Solo Competition. During the summer of 2015 Ms. Rainey joined the Boston Symphony Orchestra in Carnegie Hall and on their European Tour. Ms. Rainey has also served on the faculties of Georgia State University and Emory University.

She received her undergraduate degree in horn performance from the Eastman School of Music, followed by a masters degree at the New England Conservatory of Music. She has studied with W. Peter Kurau, Richard Sebring and James Sommerville.

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Sep 08, 2019
#26: Bobby Horton

Bobby Horton was born and raised in Birmingham, Alabama. His life long passion for music and history began at an early age. With a trumpet playing father and a banjo-playing grandfather, he was exposed to a varied menu of music—from the sound of the big bands, jazz combos and classical to the old time sounds of Southern gospel, sacred harp, and “hillbilly” music.

Most of the men in his young life were World War II veterans, as he listened to their war stories he soon made the connection between these stories and the content of his school history books. When he was nine years old the United States celebrated the Centennial of the Civil War. This celebration brought the Civil War to the forefront of his interest and his love of history became deeply rooted.

In 1984, Horton was asked to produce the score for a feature film set in 1863 in Southern Indiana. While researching music from the mid 19th century, he uncovered literally thousands of tunes from that period. Combining his passion for music and Civil War history, he began recording what has now become fourteen volumes of authentic Civil War tunes in his home studio – playing all of the period era instruments and singing all the parts himself. This series is sold around the world and has led to a career in film scoring and a live presentation of these songs with the stories that accompany them. Bobby Horton is widely recognized as one of the country’s leading authorities of music from the Civil War period.

A seasoned performer, Horton is a multi-instrumentalist, composer, producer, and music historian. He has performed with the musical- comedy trio Three On a String, throughout the United States and Canada for 40 plus years. He has also produced and performed music scores for sixteen PBS films by Ken Burns - including “The Civil War”, and “Baseball,” two films for The A&E network, and twenty-one films for The National Park Service. His series of recordings of authentic period music has been acclaimed by historical organization and publications through America and Europe.

Bobby Horton resides in a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama with Lynda, his wife of thirty-plus years.  They have two adult children, Jonathan and Rachel.

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Sep 01, 2019
#25: Freeway Philharmonic: Will Baker

On this installment, we are featuring Will Baker. Will is the bass trombonist of the Monterrey Symphony, and he has subbed with the San Diego Symphony, the San Francisco Symphony, the Detroit Symphony, the Alabama Symphony, and more. He also started Get Fluent, which he creates video and resources to help musicians improve their playing.

Mastering Engineer - Brandon Jochum
Music in the episode - Will Baker

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Aug 15, 2019
#24: Winning the Job: Chris Smith

This edition of "Winning the Job" features Chris Smith, who recently won the principal trumpet position with the San Diego Symphony. Chris has a wealth of knowledge to share about how to be successful in auditions, and also some real and practical advice to people who are thinking of auditioning for an orchestral position.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum
Music in the episode - Chris Smith

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Aug 08, 2019
#23: Barbara Butler

This episode features an amazing conversation with Barbara Butler, one of the trumpet professors at Rice University. Previously she taught at Northwestern University and the Eastman School of Music before that.

Not much that can be said about this interview other than it's Barbara speaking words of wisdom for almost three hours. I hope you get as much out of it as I have!

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Aug 01, 2019
#22: Lessons From Indy

In this episode I discuss the various lessons I learned from my experience not getting tenure in Indianapolis. Without going into detail, the lessons are:

1) When I receive feedback, I should make sure I understand
2) Goals are just goals
3) You're more than meets the eye
4) Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans
5) When you're going through hell, keep on going

Hopefully these lessons I learned can help encourage people at all stages of their career.

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Jul 15, 2019
#21: Winning the Job: Jeff Lewandowski and John Romero

In this installment of "Winning the Job", I was able to speak with Jeff Lewandowski and John Romero. Jeff recently won a job with the United States Army Field Band, and John Romero recently won principal trombone in the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra.

Jeff gave some really great advice about how he used the audition process to understand how to give structure to his busy life of freelancing, in order to make sure he was totally prepared given the lack of time he had in his day. It's also inspiring to see how he made positive changes to his life in general through his preparation.

John shared how he came up with a brand new way to make sure his intonation was rock solid on his excerpts. I had never heard his method before, and I thought it was incredibly smart and interesting.

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Jul 08, 2019
#20: Glenn Michael Egner

Glenn is the librarian with the Alabama Symphony Orchestra. Before joining the ASO as librarian, he was the principal flutist with the Venezuelan National Orchestra.

Glenn has an amazing story. He had a picture perfect life in Venezuela, but because the country began to fail, he had to leave an start all over in Alabama. I hope this interview is able to give the listener some really good perspective on life, and also to see that everyone has a story. We should make as much of an effort as we can to learn peoples stories so that we can understand who they are and where they are coming from.

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Jul 01, 2019
#19: I Didn't Win, and That's OK

In this episode, I talk about my preparation for the Chicago Symphony principal trumpet audition that was held in early June of 2019. I discuss what my original plan for my prep was, and how it changed as I went through the process. Finally, I give my thoughts on auditioning in general, and how to change our mindset to help ensure we can always have a successful audition.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Jun 22, 2019
#18: Freeway Philharmonic: Kathy White

In this episode, I talk with Kathy White about how she built and maintains her successful career as a freelancer in the Southeast region. Kathy is principal clarinet of the Atlanta Ballet Orchestra, and she subs frequently with many orchestras in the area as well. Not only does she have really wonderful advice about how to succeed as a freelancer, she also has really great words about how what a career in music means to her.

Freeway Philharmonic is a series dedicated to interviewing musicians who have built successful freelance careers in order to gain insight and inspiration from their stories.

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Jun 15, 2019
#17: Winning the Job: George Goad and Derek Fenstermacher

In this episode I talk with George Goad and Derek Fenstermacher about their success in recent auditions. George recently won associate principal trumpet with the Montreal Symphony and Derek won principal tuba with the St. Louis Symphony.

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Jun 08, 2019
#16: Calvin Falwell

In this episode I have a conversation with Calvin Falwell, 3rd/Bass Clarinet with the Sarasota Orchestra. We talk about how Calvin has used his desire to make things happen into multiple opportunities for his career and for his life.

Master Engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Jun 01, 2019
#15: Starting Over: Changing Your Embouchure with Dr. Matthew Vangjel

In this episode, we go into detail about all things related to changing your embouchure on a brass instrument. We aim to give encouragement for anyone going through an embouchure change, as well as a resource for any teachers who might see changing an embouchure as a solution to a students problem, but may not feel equipped to make it work.

Dr. Matthew Vangjel is professor of trumpet at Louisiana State University.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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May 15, 2019
#14: Winning the Job: Ansel Norris and Joe Lefevre

In this episode we speak with Ansel Norris, who recently won second trumpet in the Naples Philharmonic and Joe LeFevre, who recently won principal tuba with the Kansas City Symphony about what they think helped them be successful in their auditions.

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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May 08, 2019
#13: Lisa Wienhold

In this episode I talk with Lisa Weinhold principal flutist of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra. We talk about her life growing up, her educational opportunities, as well as her difficulties around the time that the Alabama Symphony went bankrupt in the 1990's. We also discuss her love and passion for dog training, and dig into how she makes sure she's prepared to play her orchestral parts at the highest level every week.

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May 01, 2019
#12: Carlos Izcaray Part 2: Cancer and Venezuela

Here is part two of my interview with Carlos Izcaray, music director of the Alabama Symphony orchestra. In this episode, he talks about how he was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma, and what it was like continuing to work and live life while going through chemotherapy. After that, we go into a pretty in depth discussion on the current state of life in Venezuela. It's hard to listen to a lot of what he talked about. This is a must listen episode! 

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Apr 22, 2019
#11: Arnold Jacobs and Mindfulness - What They Have In Common

In this episode, I discuss what the teaching method of Arnold Jacobs, tubist with the Chicago Symphony from 1944-1988, and the practice of mindfulness have in common. At the end, I explain what connections I've made between the two and how I've applied them to my own trumpet playing.
Music in the episode - Andrew Miller
Master engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Apr 15, 2019
#10: Winning the Job: Nathan Clark and Sam Huss

Winning the job is a series dedicated to finding out how people who have recently won auditions were successful.

In this episode, we talk with Nathan Clark and Sam Huss. Nathan Clark recently won a position with the Presidents Own Marine Band. Sam Huss recently won principal trumpet with the Richmond Symphony. Both of these players have some really great insight into what made them successful, you do not want to miss this episode!

Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Apr 08, 2019
#9: Carlos Izcaray: Part One

In this episode, I have a conversation with Carlos Izcaray, music director of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra. It was a wonderful opportunity to get to speak with him and cover his life from his earliest musical memories to being named music director of our orchestra in Birmingham, Alabama. He gave me so much great content, we actually ran out of time, and so we had to make this part 1 of a two part interview.

Mastering enginner - Brandon Jochum

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Apr 01, 2019
#8: The Music of Harry Potter

Join Chris Confessore, principal pops conductor of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra, and I as we talk about the music of Harry Potter! In this episode we will do a name that tune of sorts: we'll play a familiar theme from the Harry Potter movies and then we'll let you know what that theme represents and discuss each one a little bit.

Master engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Mar 15, 2019
#7: Freeway Philharmonic: Dean Haist

Freeway Philharmonic is a series in which we interview people with successful freelance careers and talk to them about how they built it from the beginning.

This episode will feature Dean Haist. Dean is an active trumpet freelancer in Lincoln, NE and the surrounding areas. He also has a business he started called Arts Incorporated, which services the musical community in Lincoln.

You can find more information here:

Master engineer - Brandon Jochum
Music - Nebraska Brass

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Mar 08, 2019
#6: James Sullivan

In this episode, we have a conversation with James Sullivan, principal oboe of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra. Jim explains how he came to play the oboe, what he does to be prepared for such a demanding job, and why he started the Southern Oboe Intensive. He also shares with us some of the passions he has and how they have enriched his life.

James Sullivan's bio
Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Mar 01, 2019
#5: The Good, The Bad, and Things I Learned the Hard Way

In this episode we discuss successes and failures that I've had in my career, and tell a few funny anecdotes about times I experienced some embarrassing situations, but ended up learning a lot from them.
Music in the episode - Caelum by Ivy Garden
Master engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Feb 15, 2019
#4: Winning the Job: Jeff Strong and Tyler Lindsay

Winning the job is a series dedicated to finding out how people who have recently won auditions were successful.

In this episode, we talk to Jeff Strong and Tyler Lindsay about their recent audition successes. Jeff won third trumpet in the Los Angeles Philharmonic and Tyler won a position with the Presidents Own Marine band.
Mastering engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Feb 08, 2019
#3: Kevin Fitzgerald

In this episode, we talk with Kevin Fitzgerald, assistant conductor of the Alabama Symphony Orchestra, and music director of the Alabama Youth Symphony Orchestra. He talks about his youth, his life as trumpet player, and we go into depth about his plans for the ASYO.
Master engineer - Brandon Jochum

Kevin Fitzgerald's bio

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Feb 01, 2019
#2: Powerlifting and Music - What They Have In Common

In this episode, I discuss how my love of powerlifting has taught me valuable lessons in how to progress as a trumpet player. I break down how volume, intensity, and frequency are used in powerlifting, and how we can apply it to our musical practice.
Music in the episode - Empire Springs
Master engineer - Brandon Jochum

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Jan 14, 2019
#1: Demondrae Thurman

This episode features an interview with Demondrae Thurman, an internationally renowned euphonium soloist. He has recently been appointed the position full professor of euphonium at Indiana University and also teaches low brass studies at Samford University. Some of the topics covered are conducting, free-lancing, orchestral playing, as well as social media as a marketing tool for musicians.
Master Engineer - Brandon Jochum

Demondrae Thurman bio

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Dec 23, 2018