Latter Gay Stories

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You're at the intersection of sexuality and reality--this is Latter Gay Stories! A podcast and resource blog featuring real people, real stories, and real talk! We discuss life inside and outside of the closet, coming out, and families, religion, dating, and best of all--living your best and most authentic self.

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120: Justin Utley | Coming out, conversion therapy, and using music to advocate
Justin Utley, singer, songwriter and LGBTQ advocate sits down with Latter Gay Stories for an epic, in-depth interview. Justin shares the painful details of his coming out experience, conversion therapy, the deaths of people close to him and what he’s doing to make a difference in the lives of the LGBTQ family.
Using music and his vocal talent, Justin has performed worldwide sharing a story of hope to the LGBTQ community. He continues to fight on a local, state, national and international level for a complete ban of conversion therapy.
Find Justin's latest album SCARS, available for download on his website at
Sep 10, 2019
119: Brock Messinger | Raw. Candid. And a little messy.

Sometimes we need to hear the raw and candid journey—unfiltered and real. This is Brock’s story. This is a no-holds barred interview where Brock shares his complete journey. It includes depression, leaving his mission early, suicidal thoughts, Grindr, hook-ups and ultimately finding love in the most unsuspecting places.

Brock shares his feelings about growing up LDS and trying to tow the line to look, act and be a good Mormon. He served a mission which ultimately led his Mission President to out him to his parents.

For the next hour we invite you to listen to Brock’s story of survival and eventual thriving as a husband and father.

The video version of this podcast episode is available at, YouTube and on our Facebook page. We invite you to share, like and subscribe to LatterGayStories!

Aug 21, 2019
118: Picnic In The Park | Latter Gay Stories, Let's Love Better & Peculiar

Let's Love Better: Susie Augenstein, Peculiar: George Deussen and the Latter Gay Stories Podcast teamed up for a Picnic In The Park to help the LGBTQ+ community, their friends, and allies share an evening of food, fun and friendship.

For those allies, church and community members who are looking for ideas to better understand the LGBTQ+ experience, events like this are monumental. We become better people when we understand and involve ourselves into unfamilar situations.

This short podcast/video is the program portion of the event. A special thanks to the more than 300 people who supported the picnic and to Esera J. Mose who rocked the night with his voice!

Aug 11, 2019
117: A. Todd Jones | Navigating My Marriage, Coming Out, And Helping Others

In this interview we sit down with A. Todd Jones as he shares his story of living in a mixed-orientation marriage, dating, coming out, finding authenticity and what he’s doing in his life now to help the LGBTQ community.

A. Todd Jones dives deep into his coming out story—a story very relatable to the many who struggle to understand who and what they are.

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Jul 25, 2019
116: Valerie Green | Finding My Identity and the Path of Authenticity and Happiness

She was married to a woman and found solace secretly cross-dressing to help her find her inner beauty. While navigating this journey to best understand her gender identity, Valerie Nicole Green took the crucial steps to live a life of authenticity and honesty.

Valerie shares her story of her youth, holding stake and bishopric callings, coming out to her family and friends, life within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the death of her wife, and where her journey has taken her today.

Together, we can better understand the journey our trans brothers and sisters navigate.

#Transgender #TransMormon

Jul 18, 2019
115: Bryce Cook | Understanding the History: Homosexuality and the LDS Church

If you’re a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and navigating a journey to understand the intersection of religion and sexual orientation, we invite you to join us for this Latter Gay Stories episode.

Bryce Cook is an active Latter-day Saint, father of two gay sons and the author of “What Do We Know of God’s Will For His LGBT Children? An Examination of the LDS Church’s Position on Homosexuality.”

In this episode, Bryce Cook and Kyle Ashworth fairly and candidly breakdown the history of LGBT discussion within the Church, changes within the policies and doctrines, social impacts and what the future might look like for the LDS and LGBT communities.

We invite all Latter-day Saints to listen to this interview, regardless of how you personally feel regarding these topics. We invite you to follow the counsel of Elder M. Russell Ballard who invites the Saints “… to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly, we must do better than we have done in the past.”

Link to Bryce Cook's essay: CLICK HERE 

#Mormons #ChurchofJesusChristofLatterdaySaints #LGBTMormon #LGBT #Gay #GayChristian

Jul 10, 2019
114: Sarah and Madi | We Found Ourselves: This Is Our Story.

Sarah Cunha and Madison McConkie sit down with the Latter Gay Stories podcast to share their story.

Sarah is a BYU graduate and remained closeted growing up in the Church. In this episode she opens up about her experience coming out, sharing the news with her family and navigating life as a gay woman at BYU.

Madison shares her experience as a closeted youth, LDS missionary and student of Dixie State University.

Sarah and Madison have found each other and continue their journey of authenticity and honesty, on their terms.

Jun 27, 2019
113: LGT Panel Discussion | Church Leader Session: Affirmation Conference

This episode features discussion from Ben Schilaty, a gay Latter-day Saint, Jodie Palmer, a lesbian Latter-day Saint, and Ann Pack, a transgender Latter-day Saint.

Each person in this panel discussion offer their personal experiences being queer and LDS. They offer tips, suggestions and glimpses into their experience, in an effort to help others better understand their path.

As Elder Ballard admonished, "...we need to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly we must do better than we have done in the past so that all members feel they have a spiritual home where their brothers and sisters love them and where they have a place to worship and serve the Lord."

Jun 27, 2019
112: Tom Christofferson | Church Leader Session: Affirmation Conference

Tom Christofferson is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he’s gay and the author of “That They May Be One,” a book detailing his life is a member of the Church and how he navigates his sexuality. 

In this episode Tom shares his experiences and offers advice to church leaders and to the LGBTQ community from the 2019 Affirmation International Conference. 


Jun 27, 2019
111: Jena Peterson | Church Leader Session: Affirmation Conference

Jena Peterson is an active Latter-day Saint who identifies as gay and remains married to her husband of 14 years, Todd, in a mixed orientation marriage.

In this episode, Jena discusses her personal experiences being gay and the impact it has on her membership in the Church. She shares tips to help church leaders and members better understand the LGBTQ experience. 

Jun 27, 2019
110: President Michael Mayfield | Church Leader Session: 2019 Affirmation Conference

President Michael Mayfield currently serves as a counselor in the Stake Presidency. He is a former bishop and is the father of a gay child. For President Mayfield, when his daughter came out, he was stunned, surprised, and blindsided by his daughter's revelation.

In this episode President Mayfield discusses his experience as both an ecclesiastical leader and the father of a gay child. He discusses the 10 Tips For Parents from and offers his advice to parents and church leaders in this space.

Jun 27, 2019
109: Josh and Lolly Weed | The Beginning. The Middle. The Future.

Seven years ago (while celebrating their 10th wedding anniversary in Las Vegas), Josh and Lolly Weed made a quiet blog post announcing to their friends and family that Josh was gay, and together they were navigating life in a mixed-orientation Mormon marriage.


The Weeds expected to have a candid discussion about their experience, but they weren't prepared to do it on a national and worldwide stage. Their story erupted into virality with millions and millions of people sharing and weighing in on their experience.


Josh and Lolly are arguably the most famous example of a mixed-orientation marriage in Mormonism. Their story has been used by LGBT allies and activists as an example of a disingenuous marriage and at the same time, Latter-day Saint leaders hailed the Weeds as an example of endurance and principle–using their story to convince other Latter-day Saints that mixed-orientation marriages were viable and healthy. Five years after their original blog post, the Weed’s announced their divorce.


In their first sit-down interview since their announcement of their divorce, Kyle Ashworth sits down with Josh and Lolly to discuss the beginning, middle and future of Josh and Lolly’s experience.

Jun 13, 2019
108: Ryanna Woods | Drag Queen, Survivor, Gay Man

Imagine life as a gay man growing up in an ultra-conservative Mormon family—who’s weekend family activities included delivering flyers and hosting events aimed at shaming homosexuals. That was the world that Ryan grew up in. This is his story.

His story includes the pain of hiding his true identity from his homophobic family, serving a mission in an effort to change his sexuality, self-harm and failed suicide attempts, marriage and divorce—and finally finding drag as an outlet to express his identity.

This is a fascinating interview focusing on what it takes to find authenticity and honesty in each of our lives. And how unconventional expression can unite people.

Jun 06, 2019
107: Cher McCoy | A Mother’s Love: My Journey as an LGBT ally, friend and mom.

On Mother’s Day, Cher’s son came out to her. From that day forward she fought to protect him and the community he belongs to.

In this episode Cher discusses her journey as an LGBT ally and friend to the LDS/LGBT community. She shares the hard parts about religion, society and the traditional views of sexuality.

Cher offers advice to parents of LGBT children and what her path looked like during those crucial “coming out” experiences.

May 30, 2019
106: Gregory Prince | A Complicated History: Mormonism and the LGBTQ Community

Dr. Gregory Prince sits down with Latter Gay Stories for a unique one-on-one discussion about the actions and unintended consequences of the LDS Church's history with LGBT people and their allies.

In this episode we thoroughly discuss topics including:

- Why the LDS Church has doubled down against homosexuality.
- Is there a genetic component (born this way) to homosexuality?
- Policy vs. Doctrine: does LDS doctrine change?
- What was the impact of the November 2015 Policy on Mormonism?
- What does modern day scripture say about homosexuality?
- Q and A session from Latter Gay Stories listeners
- and so much more!

Kyle Ashworth and Greg Prince take a deep dive into LDS tradition, history, and the messaging behind a topic that could be the most polarizing subject in the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

PURCHASE Greg's book: Gay Rights and the Mormon Church HERE:

Dr. Gregory Prince is an historian, author, and researcher who earned his graduate degree in pathology (PhD) at UCLA. He pursued a four-decade career in pediatric infectious disease research, pioneering the world's most current treatment for RSV (infant pneumonia). His love of history led him to write four books: “Power on High: The Development of Mormon Priesthood,” “David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism,” “Leonard Arrington and the Writing of Mormon History,” and "Gay Rights and the Mormon Church: Intended Actions, Unintended Consequences."

May 24, 2019
105: Chad Merrell and Matt Weber | Asexuality and our journey

So often the we hear stories about the first four letters of the L-G-B-T community, but rarely do we have the opportunity to hear stories from those who identify with the other letters, like A as in asexual.

What is asexuality? Who identifies as asexual? What does asexuality look like?

In this episode we sit down with Chad and Matt to discuss their sexuality and their reality. Their interview is genuine, wholesome and rich in continual nuggets of shared wisdom and experience.

Join the online conversation on our Facebook page: Latter Gay Stories 

May 15, 2019
104: Debra Asper | Finding Strength From Within

Deb Asper is a licensed marriage and family therapist who specializes in LGBT therapy and more particularly, LGBT trauma. And to say that she’s a gem—and an asset to the community is an understatement. Her dedication to seeing that the LGBT community thrives is evident in her actions. She loves you.  She wants to see you succeed, she’s in your corner.

In this episode Deb cuts through a lot of life's rhetoric to help you begin healing from the difficulties of your situations. She is an expert in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EDMR) therapy used for mitigating trauma.

Deb’s words and tools can help you overcome feelings of shame, doubt, public harassment and other situations that prevent progress.

May 08, 2019
103: An Evening With Affirmation | Nathan Kitchen and Laurie Lee Hall

103 | The Latter Gay Stories Podcast rebroadcasts An Evening With Affirmation, featuring speakers Nathan Kitchen and Laurie Lee Hall.

Nathan Kitchen is the current President of Affirmation and Laurie Lee Hall serves as the Senior Vice President of Affirmation. In this episode, Nathan Kitchen and Laurie Lee Hall discuss their vision for Affirmation and their hope for the future of LGBT people.

Laurie Lee Hall, the former Chief Architect for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is a modern day miracle. The spaces she created for the LDS church include the newly constructed Provo, Utah MTC, the historic Tabernacle at Temple Square, many chapels, exquisite temples, local meeting houses and even the famed Provo City Center Temple.

Listen as Laurie tells her story of building sacred spaces, while building authenticity within herself.

May 07, 2019
102: Greg Barnett | The vital role of love, inclusion and understanding the journey each of us navigate.

102: Greg Barnett | The vital role of love, inclusion and understanding the journey each of us navigate.

Greg Barnett sits down with the Latter Gay Stories podcast to share his experience navigating life as a gay man—in and out of the LDS Church. Greg was asked to give an LGBT themed talk in a sacrament meeting. He shares that talk in this episode, what he’s learned along the way and what each of us can do to make the intersection of LDS Street and LGBTQ Avenue a friendlier place.

Oh, and there are a few tears in this episode. You’ve been warned.

Apr 24, 2019
101: Jody Hansen | Suicide Prevention and Education, November 2015 Policy Update

Jody Hansen is a suicide prevention educator sharing the QPR program to wards, stakes, and community groups throughout the state of Utah and beyond. 

In this episode, the Latter Gay Stories Podcast sits down with Jody to discuss ways to better educate against suicide and what we can do to help prevent this epidemic from further reaching into our families.

Additionally, in this episode we discuss the LDS Church’s rescission of their controversial November 2015 Policy of Exclusion and the devastating impact it made to the LGBTQ community within Mormonism.

To reach out to Jody regarding a QPR training or to learn more about her training opportunities email her:

Apr 05, 2019
100: Drew and Tyler Armstrong | Our Journey As A Trans Family

“All of you think I am weird, and I don’t even know why. I don’t even know why I feel this way, or why this is uncomfortable for me.” - Tyler Armstrong

At age three, Tyler knew he was different.  His family knew he was different.  Fourteen years later, Tyler and his dad sit down with Latter Gay Stories to share their journey as a trans family. Tyler talks about bathrooms, boys, church dresses, therapy, coming out, and bishop’s interviews.

Drew opens up about his experiences advocating for the LGBT community even before his then daughter—now son transitioned.  He shares the difficult parts of religion and what we can do to better understand this topic.

Tyler and Drew invite you to ask questions and create a conversation below!  Together, they want to open a dialogue to better help each of us understand transgender topics.

Apr 03, 2019
099: Aaron and Marie Jones | A discussion about our gay daughter, the church, and love.

What happens when you hear the words, “mom and dad, I’m gay”? How do you react, what do you say, and what does the path forward look like?

Aaron and Marie Jones, the parents of a lesbian daughter share a raw and candid discussion detailing their personal journey through sexuality and religion. He’s a former bishop, she’s an educator and wife in a rural, conservative, Utah community--factors that make any coming out experience difficult, at best.

In this episode the Jones’ discuss the progress they have made as they work to better understand the LGBT community, their own 'coming out' experience, and what Aaron and Marie want the LDS community to know about the power of loving people, unconditionally.

Mar 23, 2019
098: Kyle and Reece Jacobsen | Life, Dating, Marriage and Love

Kyle and Reece Jacobson join the Latter Gay Stories podcast to share their journey and story!  The married couple share their experiences as growing up closeted, serving missions, exploring their sexuality, and coming out. 

Kyle discusses his experience with the Journey Into Manhood (JIM) reparative therapy program, he gives advice to young men and church leaders, what authenticity feels like and how he’s found happiness.

Reece shares stories about his mission, trying to find his place in life as a closeted teen, Prop 8—and swiping right on Tinder—an experience that would change his life forever. 

The Jacobsen’s are married, they are the happy dads of a cute dog, and their life is likely as normal as yours. 

Catch the video version on the LatterGayStories website, Facebook page or YouTube channel for bonus video material!  We add the video they made to recreate their first date and their eventual engagement!

Mar 13, 2019
097: Devin Bourne | I'm gay, I'm active in the Church and I am finding my own path

Just when you think it is impossible to be gay and an active LDS, you find a person like Devin. His story is a fascinating journey in finding a path that works for him—on his own terms. He’s gay, he’s a future doctor, a primary teacher in his LDS ward and he’s busting the mold of what it looks like to be Latter-day gay.

In this Latter Gay Stories podcast episode, Devin shares his coming out story, what it was like to date women, therapy, serving an LDS mission in California, the 2015 policy of exclusion, working with church leaders, dating men, Grindr, and what his future looks like.

Devin describes himself as a unicorn--he's unique and as you listen to his story, you'll understand why. When so much attention is put on the rules of the Church and on what can and can't be done, Devin has chosen to do what feels right, even if it defies the norms—and sometimes the rules.

We invite you to share your comments about this episode and to like/subscribe/share this story!

Mar 06, 2019
96: 10-Minute QuickCast | Perspective

From time to time, I like to produce a quick 10 minute or so podcast that shares a few thoughts I have had during the week, or a lesson I picked up as I have interviewed guests who are featured on this podcast.  The QuickCast is a great way to reflect on a message—even during a busy day or night. 

On this episode I reflect on a flight I took with my young son, 7 years ago.  We both love to fly around in little airplanes.  And on this flight we wanted to watch the sunset on Split Mountain, a rock face at Dinosaur National Monument in eastern Utah.  

As I reflected on this seven-year old memory, I started thinking about how much perspectives change our lives.  


Feb 28, 2019
095: Kelsey and Mekael | Coming out, divorcing and finding happiness together.

In this touching and inspiring episode of Latter Gay Stories, Kelsey Jones and Mekael Simmons share their journey as lesbian women. Both were married to men, came out to their husbands and followed their intuition forward into a path of authenticity and honesty. Now partnered, they share their candid story, their love, and their advice to others who are in a place similar to where they began.

Feb 26, 2019
094: Paul and Susie Augenstein | Our Journey Into LGBTQ+ Allyship

In January of 2018, Paul Augenstein, bishop of a Riverton Utah LDS ward, and his wife, Susie opened their chapel doors one Sunday to welcome a message of hope, inclusion and love.

Their 5th Sunday LGBT Conference set into motion a movement that has created better understanding and love between the LDS and LGBT communities. In this podcast episode we discuss what compelled the Augensteins to reach into the LGBT community, their call to meet with LDS Church leaders in Salt Lake City, what the Augensteins are continuing to do within the LGBT community, and ideas to help you create a program similar to what they have created.

Feb 20, 2019
093: The introduction of Latter Gay Stories | Season 8

Welcome to season 8 of the Latter Gay Stories podcast, formerly the Gay Mormon Stories podcast!  In this episode we welcome our new host, Kyle Ashworth and get a glimpse into his personal life, what to expect in season 8 of the podcast, and more!  

Feb 13, 2019