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The HR Famous Podcast is a lively conversation dealing with the real-life craziness HR pros deal with every day! Think of this as your own HR therapy session - sharing stories, strategies, and sometimes simply venting about a career we love, but one that makes us scream at the same time. The HR Famous crew of Tim Sackett, author of the Talent Fix, Jessica Lee, VP of Talent Brand at Marriott, and Kris Dunn, author of The 9 Faces of HR, met a decade ago in the HR world and worked and grinded their way to successful careers. Along the way, they learned that HR influence is more about having a strong point of view than LinkedIn connections or Twitter followers. This pod is a safe place of conversation, laughs, arguments, and hope. So, grab a cup of coffee or a glass a wine and sit back and enjoy the real-world HR talk with a few of your peers.

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E108 - Creepy Bosses and Cool Moms!
36:42

On episode 108 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss problematic executives, all the functions HR serves, and Tim’s campus recruiting experience!

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1:00 - JLee asks the crew what famous movies they haven’t seen that they should see. JLee has never seen The Shining or Princess Bride. 

4:20 - JLee mentions the news of a senior Apple executive due to him making a vile joke in a TikTok video. This viral TikTok format asks people how much money they make and what they do for work. 

7:15 - Madeline brings up a similar situation in the Boston Celtics coach getting fired for having an affair with one of his co-workers. 

11:00 - JLee and Madeline are the cool moms in town!

13:00 - JLee brings up the extra functions that HR often gets assigned to, like party and events planning. She thinks that this could be a failure upon managers and leaders for not taking accountability in something like career growth for their employees. 

16:00 - Tim talks about the 3 responsibilities he sees for a people manager: fiscal responsibility, building a well-rounded team, and maintaining and developing that well-rounded team. Then, HR can help support these functions in whatever way they can.  

22:30 - Tim asks the question “why would you outsource the most important thing to your company” while talking about RPOs and outsourcing recruiting. 

27:00 - Madeline brings up the trauma of the 2021 hiring craze and how this may impact the job security of recruiters. Tim talked about a company that he talked to that re-positioned their recruiters when there was a downturn in their company, so they didn’t have to lay anyone off. 

30:30 - JLee mentions that the people who stayed on at Marriott during the pandemic were the “swiss army knives”, the people who were versatile and could fit in anywhere. 

31:30 - Madeline asks if people will seek out being a recruiter or if it will be seen as a stepping stone to different jobs. Tim thinks that more colleges and universities will develop programs for recruiters and the importance of recruiters at companies will grow. 

34:00 - Anyone want to see a sitcom about Tim’s campus recruiting experience??

Nov 04, 2022
E107 - What would it take to get an HR Executive to Come to Your HR Conference?
38:30

On episode 107 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss all things 2022 HR Tech!

1:30 - Tim has recently been on the conference circuit, and he loves the in-person energy!

2:00 - JLee was recently speaking at an event, and she was asked for pictures after her talk. She asks the crew what to do in that situation. 

7:30 - Tim and Madeline went back to HR Tech and felt the big energy at the conference. Madeline says the expo was bigger than she’s ever seen

11:45 - Madeline says that the Women In Tech sessions were so packed that they couldn’t let anyone else in! 

14:45 - Tim asks JLee what would get her to come to HR Tech on a regular basis. She says that she doesn’t know if she would since she’s so inundated with content and pitches from vendors and it would feel duplicative for her to go to a vendor event. 

17:40 - Tim thinks it’s a mistake by vendors to try and influence big VPs and CHROs rather than talking to director and manager levels about their products who are actually in the trenches. 

21:45 - Tim and Madeline are really excited by some up-and-coming texting technologies, especially for frontline workers. 

25:45 - Madeline calls out some providers who are doing the workaround skills, but she notes that there are some start-ups and ATS’s who are lumped in that maybe shouldn’t be. 

29:00 - Tim asks the crew what these HR conferences are missing. JLee thinks that the conferences should provide a deck for attendees to take back to their teams and share what they learned. 

34:20 - Can we pick a better place for HR conferences? JLee is sick of Vegas, but Tim and Madeline think it’s hard to host anywhere else because of the size of the conferences. 

35:30 - Tim shares a story about the “BFF Happy Hour,” where Kyle Lagunas came in and started the whole party. Tim and Madeline had to play mom and dad in order to keep the event in check.

Oct 27, 2022
E106 - Which Recruiter's Are Most Likely to be Laid Off!
36:58

On episode 106 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano and Tim Sackett with special friend Kyle Lagunas come together to discuss Global TA day, the first people to be laid off in a recession, and why recruiters won’t be laid off as quickly as we think. 

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1:00 - Welcome to the pod, Kyle Lagunas! JLee is a busy gal and is out this week. 

3:30 - Tim asks if they go to the grocery store or if they get their food delivered. Kyle likes his time at the market, and Madeline tries to do delivery. 

5:00 - Tim has a whole setup for his Global TA Day: prizes, ice cream social, lunch & learns, and more! 

7:00 - Tim put up a LinkedIn post leaning into “hustle porn” and ripped on quiet quitters and how he can’t wait to pass them. Kyle says he’s going to rip him to shreds. 

9:30 - Business Insider, a pod favorite, put out an article about the first to be laid off in an economic downturn. The categories offered are recent hires, high earners, Millennials, 

12:30 - Madeline talks about why she thinks recent hires may not be fired as quickly as they suggest due to the re-skilling turnover. 

15:30 - Tim talks about how Ford had a pretty major layoff, but it was for a very specific reason, the emphasis on EVs. 

19:00 - Madeline brings up how we’re still writing and talking about Millennials as if they’re kids. Many Millennials are 40 or pushing it. 

21:15 - Tim and his oldest son told a guy they were golfing with that, “I didn’t get good until my Dad stopped coaching me.” Tim said it was a dagger to the heart. 

23:00 - This list shares that recruiters are the most likely to be laid off. The crew is quite surprised that this is still the case in a world where companies are having a lot of trouble hiring recruiters. 

26:00 - Kyle is really worried about the ramifications that something like this list could have. He says that morale is really low in the TA space, and this could force people to leave the profession. 

29:00 - Madeline is surprised that there is nothing on this list about the number of hours worked per day. She thinks there is a signifier in the likelihood of being laid off with the number of hours worked per day. 

33:00 - Tim thinks one of the hardest things is to plan a workforce, and HR can struggle at interpreting data and inputs to plan accordingly.

Oct 23, 2022
E105 - Work Spouses and at What Years Should We Celebrate Service Awards?
34:25

On episode 105 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss work spouses, length of service awards, and the best new candle to buy as a gift!

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2:00 - Tim’s headed on a summer vacation to the Cayman Islands. Although it’ll be hot, he’ll be by the ocean!

5:00 - JLee loves these candles, and Tim sent a cheeky one to the crew.

7:20 - JLee asks Tim about his 2 work wives. They’ve been working with him for over 10 years and have been through a lot together. She wonders how he has work wives when he’s in charge of the company. 1

0:00 - Madeline said her work relationships have changed since she started her firm. Now, her work wives/husbands are other industry people, not people that work for and with her.

12:30 - Tim talks about someone who he worked for a long time with that left recently and how her leaving was a lot harder than he expected.

15:00 - JLee brings up the topic of “length of service” awards and how people want to be recognized. She asks the crew what we should be doing with these awards.

18:30 - Madeline did research in 2021 if they had received any recognition in that year for their work. She found that only ½ employees received a “thank you” in the first year of the pandemic.

21:30 - Tim likes the “points” system where you give out other recognition gifts and points to people you find doing a good job at the company.

24:00 - JLee notes a study where at their hotels, smaller gestures are more impactful and meaningful than really big events and “wows” that require a lot of time and work.

25:30 - Amazon color-coded their badges to reflect how long they’ve been at the company. JLee says that they got a lot of hate for this, but Tim says that he likes the idea.

30:00 - Tim mentions that when he’s doing recognition with his team, he tries to get them something they would never get for themselves and something that is really high quality. He thinks recognition gifts should be good quality regardless of price point.

Oct 12, 2022
104 - The Big Regret - How's that new job?
38:10

On episode 104 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss catalogs, the follow-up to The Great Recession, and Tesla’s latest drama. 

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2:15 - Does anyone still get catalogs? Tim and Madeline still get tons sent to their houses. 

4:30 - Tim thinks that a mailer would work well as a recruitment tactic, even better than email or texting. 

5:15 - Tim shares a story that he’s going to put in his book! You heard it here first, folks. 

8:30 - Tim’s story revolves around a marketing study where they asked a community what the top realtor in their area was. They created a fake realtor, did some marketing, and then re-asked the community who the top realtor is. 

10:00 - Studies are showing that a large number of people who left their jobs during The Great Resignation are regretting their decision to leave their previous position. Madeline thinks that these shifts were pay driven and people didn’t take into account other factors. 

13:40 - Tim said he had regrets when he left Applebee’s. Although it seemed like the right decision, he felt the repercussion of the decision almost instantly. 

20:30 - Tim was at SHRM a few weeks ago and a lot of the discussions had “The Great Recession” in their title. 

21:30 - Tesla and Elon Musk are tracking office attendance by following the “office ID swipe ins”. If you can’t come in, employees are supposed to email in a message that they won’t be in office today. Tim thinks this is draconian and feels very similar to calling in sick for your kids at school. 

24:45 - Tim says that he’s embarrassed by the amount of people he’s had to fire by “pulling swipes”. 

30:00 - JLee hired someone recently that was affected by the Tesla layoffs and the new hire said that the reports of the layoffs are pretty accurate. 

33:00 - JLee mentions how often when layoffs are happening, HR professionals are given scripts for legal reasons but there are ways to make it seem more human and empathetic. 

36:30 - Madeline was a part of an analyst firm where there were secret talks about layoffs and she felt like they handled it poorly in comparison to JLee’s Marriot example. 

Aug 23, 2022
103 - How to Make a Viral LinkedIn Post, Is Hiring Slowing Down?
31:21

On episode 103 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to summer vacation, whether hiring is slowing down or not, and the type of LinkedIn posts that go viral. 

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2:00 - It’s officially summer! Madeline asks the crew about their OOO response messages. All 3 of them are not users of an OOO message because they’re all workaholics! 

4:30 - JLee mentions she’s seen some really clever OOO messages but also some very sparse ones. She wants more info!

7:15 - Tim asks JLee and Madeline what their kids do in the summer. Madeline sends her kids to summer day camp but she used to go to an 8-week overnight camp. JLee’s kids both won camper of the day at their day camp. 

9:30 - Madeline brings up a roundtable she did with Tim about an upcoming recession and hiring. She asks the crew what’s going on with hiring practices, specifically tech hiring. 

13:00 - Madeline mentions that the layoffs happening seem to mostly be due to routine business practices and actions rather than preparing for a potential economic downturn. 

17:20 - Madeline notes that a lot of the conversation about layoffs and the recession are being driven by emotional LinkedIn posts that are going viral. She thinks it’s become a “Dear Diary” type of platform for long, emotional posts. 

20:00 - Shout out to Madison Butler who Tim thinks does social media better than anybody in the recruiting/HR space. She has her format down!

23:30 - JLee was visiting Seattle and she saw a homeless person with their dog. She wanted to help and get them some food and the person gave really intense directions. It’s a perfect LinkedIn story!

28:00 - Tim says that another LinkedIn hack is to post original video. Share those videos people!

29:45 - Tim raises a competition with the rest of the crew: they have to try and hack LinkedIn and post an emotional story and get the most engagement.

Aug 05, 2022
102 - Hiring TV Stars and Ghosting
36:37

On episode 102 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss hiring reality TV stars, ghosting of new hires, and if ghosting in the dating world is seeping into the work world. 

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1:30 - JLee asks the crew what they’ve been watching recently. Madeline tried watching Ozark again because she wasn’t into it the first time.

3:15 - Now for the trash TV! Madeline and JLee are watching The Ultimatum and are loving it. 

7:45 - JLee is really curious about who the people on reality TV shows do in their real lives. She asks the crew if being on a reality show disqualifies them from being hired for a job. 

11:30 - Tim is concerned about retention because he assumes this type of person is just waiting for the next big show to come around. 

15:00 - Tim mentions that this is similar to star college athletes that may not be good enough to go pro. He says that those who stay local may have that past celebrity status. 

16:45 - JLee found an article in The Wall Street Journal about the rise of ghosting with new hires. Madeline mentions that she thinks we’re going to see this for a bit longer but may pass when or if a recession hits. 

21:30 - Tim got killed on Twitter for talking about the importance of a 2 week notice. He says that ghosting your employer will follow you. 

25:00 - Tim demoed a new preboarding software that gives a buddy to a new hire to hopefully retain the new employees at your organization. 

28:00 - Madeline wonders if mental health is playing a factor with new hires not showing up for onboarding especially with the heightened struggles of the last 2 years. 

32:00 - The article discusses how a younger generation is used to ghosting in the dating world and it could be seeping into the work world. JLee wonders if they’re grasping with this extrapolation. 

Jul 22, 2022
101 - Plastic Straws, Female Breadwinners, and Husband Cooks
34:42

On episode 101 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss paper straws, female breadwinners, and how people react when a husband cooks more for his family than his wife.

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:30- Starting off hot with Tim taking a stance against paper straws. He hates them and the crew agrees. 

2:00 - Tim did some research to back up his anti-paper straw stance. He found out that 330 million plastic straws are used in the US everyday. 

4:20 - Madeline mentions Tom Brady’s crazy tirade on straws a few hours ago. She says you can see Gisele’s influence .

8:00 - Tim’s wife thinks the best straws are McDonald’s. JLee loves Wendy’s and the wide bubble tea straws. 

10:30 - The BBC came out with a study about the woman in a relationship being the breadwinner. The study found that women who are the breadwinner actually do more housework. 

13:45 - Madeline says that when her kids were babies, she wanted to do all the baby things and it’s translated to more when her kids have gotten older. 

16:00 - JLee wonders if this is self-imposed. She thinks that if a woman is in a high-stress, important job that they may have the personality traits of someone who may want things done a certain way in the household. 

20:30 - Another piece of this study showed that 30% of females are the breadwinner of their household. This is a number that will continue to grow. He asks if there will ever be a time where men start to do the majority of the housework.

24:30 - Tim mentions that he comes from a family of cooks and he cooked more in the house. He said her family were beside themselves that Tim cooked for the family and his wife didn’t alway have to do it.

27:15 -  JLee mentioned parts of the article that discuss a conversion in a couple where a woman makes more than her male partner. She talks about her own experience with that conversation. 

30:20 - Tim talks about how society is going to have to get used to stay-at-home Dads and women being the main earners for their families. 

Jun 16, 2022
100 - The Gang Celebrates Episode 100 of HR Famous
40:20

On episode 100 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together for their 100th episode! They discuss what they remember, what they struggled with and what they loved in doing 100 episodes of HR Famous together!

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2:45 - KD couldn’t stay away! He’s back for the extra special 100th episode. 

5:00 - Many of the HR Famous episodes are about the differences of life during the pandemic. Tim talked about the difference of COVID caution between going to a college basketball game and a Broadway show.

8:30 - JLee just said that her daughter is now going to elementary school (for the first time) without a mask! 

10:45 - Tim asks the crew what they’ve learned doing 100 podcast episodes. JLee said that she’s learned to have an opinion and it’s helped her in her career development. On the flip side, she’s learned how to see both sides of an issue. 

12:45 - KD asks Tim and JLee if they made any changes to how they speak after the first episodes. JLee said she tries to start fewer sentences with “well” or “so”. KD tried to be crisper with his speaking cadence. 

16:30 - KD says the text group should be a podcast. Release the messages!

18:30 - Is KD the most guarded on the podcast? Tim says so and JLee thinks that could be true. Tim says it’s his political savviness that leads this. 

20:00 - Any other flat pillow lovers? JLee is a flat pillow person. KD likes a fluffy pillow you can sink into. 

22:30 - JLee asks the crew what episode they thought was interesting and offered a different perspective. JLee’s answer is Episode 79 - Why Are Males Increasingly Opting Out Of College. 

25:00 - Tim and KD are still bitter that Gary V requested to connect with JLee on LinkedIn instead of them. JLee is still pining for him to come on the pod!

28:00 - Episode 66 - Geriatric Millennials and HR Influencer Lists is still a point of contention!

31:00 - Tim asks the question “who did you learn the most from?”. Tim says KD because he always thinks he knows what he’s going to say but he comes in with different takes often. 

 

May 31, 2022
99 - Periods In The Workplace
39:25
On episode 99 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss our new co-host, mailing lists, and periods in the workplace!

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2:00 - We have a new co-host! We’re excited to welcome Madeline Laurano to the HR Famous family. 

4:15 - Madeline is an analyst on TA and HR tech. She’s been in the game for 20 years and started her firm, Aptitude Research 7 years ago. 

6:20 - Any remember of the days of blogger vs. analyst? The good ole days. 

9:30 - JLee gets upset when she makes a “new friend” and then all of a sudden, she’s on their mailing list. 

10:30 - JLee asks the crew if they check who unsubscribes from their mailing list. Madeline gets an email every time someone removes themselves from her mailing list. 

14:30 - The lost episode is unfortunately lost for good :( 

16:00 - JLee references the lost episode which was centered around an older man writing into a help column asking what to do when their younger female co-workers talk about their periods in the workplace. 

19:00 - JLee’s first reaction to the period PTO is that women are more productive so they’ll make up for their time off but then, she started to think about women being treated differently and other logistical issues. 

20:30 - Madeline mentions a company in Sweden that asked their female employees to track their menstrual cycle in an Excel spreadsheet. 

24:30 - JLee found a Wikipedia page for menstrual leave

27:30 - Tim mentions how a lot of these benefits stem from paid family leave and how other countries are really passing the US with their family leave benefits. 

28:45 - Madeline ran a study at her firm and they found that only 11% of participants were comfortable talking about childcare at work. 

32:00 - Madeline mentions how when she was nursing, she had to pump in a dark utility closet where she had to bring a flashlight in to see. 

36:00 - Tim mentions that in his 30 year HR career, he has never had a period-related issue with a high performing female. 

 

May 20, 2022
98 - Coffee Rules and KD's New Job
37:29

On episode 98 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discussl coffee rules of the office, KD’s new job, and changes to the podcast!

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - KD still isn’t playing Wordle. Quite late to the party still…

3:30 - Dawn Burke sent the crew her husband’s coffee routine. This made Tim wonder when free coffee at work became a thing. He wants free Diet Mountain Dew at work!

6:30 - Tim has some observations as a non-coffee drinker. He observes the dynamics of bad coffee makers vs. good coffee makers. 

8:50 - KD recently visited Tim’s home base in Lansing, MI. He thought it was a lot smaller than Tim makes it sound. 

11:20 - Big announcement! KD accepted a new job at Marriott, joining JLee! He’s staying in Alabama but visiting Bethesda, MD every couple of weeks. 

14:15 - KD says that he didn’t do the LinkedIn post that talks about leaving a company but without giving an update. JLee and Tim hate those posts. 

17:30 - In the very first episode of this podcast, KD got hate from JLee for saying Marriott wrong. It’s Marriott, like a chariot. 

22:45 - KD has noticed that some partners at Marriott have been eager to come to Birmingham instead of having him go into the DC area. He says he’s fine to travel to them instead of hosting others. 

29:00 - Next big announcement of the pod, KD is going to be leaving. JLee and Tim are going to continue on with the mission! He’s leaving but not gone forever.

 

Mar 30, 2022
97 - Standing Desk Etiquette, When to Get a Coach
37:36

On episode 97 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Station Eleven, standing desk etiquette, and the phenomenon of life coaching.

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1:45 - Any Station Eleven fans? Tim feels some kinship because it takes place around his home, the Great Lakes. 

5:30 - JLee remembers KD’s commitment to do 100 pull ups a day. He says he doesn’t do them everyday but he can do 120-150 reps.

7:30 - JLee asks a question about work from home etiquette. She was on a call with someone that was at a standing desk. She felt like the person standing was being imposing.

12:30 - Anyone else eat spaghetti on Zoom? JLee does. And tomato soup…

13:00 - Coaching is all the rage. JLee asks why it’s so popular and who the type of person is that becomes a coach. Tim thinks it’s all the boomers that early-retired during the pandemic. 

17:00 JLee wonders when a coach is even necessary and if an AI bot would just be a better option to chat. 

19:00 - Tim went to a coach once and he just felt like all the coach was doing was agreeing with what he was already thinking and doing. 

21:45 - KD wonders what percentage of coaches can actually deliver what someone needs. He thinks only 10-20%. 

24:45 - JLee wonders why people want to separate the pay conversation from a performance review. Tim agrees and doesn’t understand it either. 

28:00 - Tim’s first pay increase in a corporate environment was 3% and he was furious. He couldn’t wrap his head around it. 

32:00 - KD starts doing a mock performance review/pay conversation with JLee. The pay will never be what you want. 

34:00 - KD says people don’t contrast good vs. great enough. 

 

Feb 24, 2022
96 - Inflation Pressure on Pay, Calendly Power Plays
40:13

On episode 96 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss a reported uptick in Glassdoor reviews mentioning inflation and the power dynamics (or lack thereof) of making someone use your Calendly scheduler.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - JLee’s dry January quickly devolved into drinking wine on a Wednesday. She just finished Station Eleven and is watching And Just Like That. 

5:20 - Tim has been loving season 2 of Righteous Gemstones. He says it’s his guilty pleasure. 

9:00 - KD recommends Southside on HBO Max. He calls it “lighter fare” in comparison to the post-apocalyptic Station Eleven. 

11:45 - KD found a Twitter thread from an economist about the rising concern from employees about inflation and how it affects their pay. KD asks JLee how much concern there actually is about inflation. 

18:00 - Tim doesn’t think the average Glassdoor reviewer is mentioning raises due to inflation but the average employe e may be discussing inflation while asking for a raise. 

21:20 - KD poses a situation to Tim where an employee comes in and tells him that his company’s pay isn’t keeping up with inflation. 

23:20 - Next topic: the power dynamics of using automated calendars. KD mentions this tweet about the etiquette behind Calendly. 

26:00 - Tim doesn’t get how it’s a power play for someone to send a meeting link to someone else for a pre-arranged meeting. JLee offers a different power play scenario that fits the bill. 

28:30 - If you click a Calendly link, does that make you somebody’s b****? JLee and Tim don’t see what the big deal is. They also both do not use an automated calendar system. 

33:00 - KD says that the person that sends their Calendly link after someone has already sent one is the true power graber. 

40:00 - We’re pulling for an early summer!!!

Feb 09, 2022
95 - Future of Sourcing/Outbound Recruiting with Shannon Pritchett of HireEZ (formerly Hiretual)
37:33

On episode 95 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by HireEZ’s (formerly Hiretual) CMO, Shannon Pritchett, to discusses Outbound Recruiting strategies and the real struggles of modern TA.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:15 - It’s a Tim solo pod today! He is joined by special guest Shannon Pritchard. She is the Head of Marketing from HireEZ (formerly Hiretual). 

6:30 - Tim notes that in marketing, we often don’t devote enough resources to building communities when that could be a great strategy for the longevity of a business. Shannon notes that this is something that HireEZ (formerly Hiretual) has learned from being at a start-up. 

9:15 - Tim asks Shannon to explain what HireEZ is to those who might not know. Shannon notes it’s an outbound recruiting process. They want to bring in automation and AI to speed up the recruiting process. 

10:00 - Tim discusses how the modern recruiter will say the most difficult part of their job is finding talent. He says that it’s not really the hardest thing but it’s getting talent to respond to you and talk about your position. 

12:00  - You heard it here first! Hiretual will now be known as HireEZ

15:00 - Shannon notes that they’re giving referral bonuses for interviews.

17:30 - Tim tells a story about how a TA leader took several months to get back to him from a LinkedIn message. What are they doing??

20:00 - Tim says that some TA leaders will ask him if they should hire another recruiter or add more tech. He says they will probably need both. 

23:30 - Shannon says that it’s important to not stop advertising but to reinvest in outbound tactics. 

25:00 - Tim asks Shannon to discuss the mini-conference HireEZ is hosting in Mountain View this week. They’re calling it Outbound RecruitCon. It’s only an hour long!

26:50 - Tim thinks the future of TA may be having an inbound team and an outbound team. 

30:00 - Tim says that he doesn’t see himself in a corporate TA role in the future but he would set up an inbound and outbound team if he were in that role. 

36:30 - You can find Shannon on Twitter @sourcingshannon and check out HireEZ.com!

Feb 02, 2022
94 - Wordle and Letting People Choose WFH Days
35:36

On episode 94 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss bathrooms in the workplace, Wordle, and why you shouldn’t let your employees choose their WFH days. 

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1:30 - KD is out sick this week! Just Tim and JLee. 

3:00 - Tim mentions that he had a conversation with a co-worker in the bathroom before they hopped on their call. JLee asked if they make eye contact while they talk…

5:00 - JLee talks about how genderless bathrooms can bring about new bathroom dynamics. Tim says he’s only seen genderless bathrooms where it’s single-use only. 

7:30 - Tim asks JLee if she’s the type of Mom that lets her kid in the bathroom or locks the door. She says she tries to lock the door so she can play Wordle.

9:45 - JLee is a Wordle strategy queen. Tim has failed but JLee is still undefeated. 

13:30 - The draft of KD’s second book is done! Look out for Best Boss Ever coming soon. 

15:45 - Tim and JLee are big fans of footnotes in books. More footnotes in books!

17:45 - Harvard Business Review released their top articles of 2021 and the top one of the year was “Don’t Let Your Employees Pick Their WFH Days”. This article discusses the realities of making WFH successful long term. 

19:30 - One main reason to not let your employees choose their WFH days is the idea of “mixed modes”. This refers to the reality where some people are in the office and some are at home.

22:00 - JLee thinks it’s important to designate and create criteria for in-office work so you can reduce your office footprint and optimize in-person work. 

24:00 - The vast majority of people want to WFH on Mondays and Fridays. 

27:20 - Tim thinks it’s naive to “treat people like adults” when it’s very prevalent that there are WFH/hybrid work issues. 

29:00 - Tim talks about a discussion he had with an employee about a “blacklist”. He jokes that there isn’t an industry “blacklist” but he has his own personal one. 

31:00 - Tim is a fan of an employment blockchain. JLee is less of a fan.  

Jan 24, 2022
93 - Eating on Work Video Calls - Right or Wrong?
34:40

On episode 93 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss eating on video calls, hiring during the holidays, and choosing your own salary and benefits.  

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:30 - JLee ponders the etiquette of eating on camera during WFH meetings. She’s had co-workers eat hot dogs and many other things. Tim asks why someone is eating hot dogs at home during the day…

5:45 - KD thinks it’s fine to eat during normal eating hours but not with any external clients. 

8:00 - JLee is a regular on-camera eater. She says that she often goes to the pantry in the middle of calls and comes back in with a snack. 

13:20 - JLee has a job opening and she’s ready to post the job but is worried about posting it during the holidays. KD says she should post the job right away with no hesitation. Tim talks about how post-new year’s, many people will have new found motivation.

16:30 - Here is the link to the Marriott job JLee is hiring for! Go work with her!

18:30 - KD mentions a consulting job where the company he worked with had a strategy that consisted of solely on reposting jobs and money on monster.com.

21:00 - JLee is the best hiring manager. She’s responsive, does some of her own sourcing, and writes stellar job descriptions. 

23:00 - JLee mentions an article about a company in France that let their employees choose their own salary and hours to help prevent burnout. JLee asks the crew what they think their employees’ response was. 

26:00 - KD mentions how sales people at a company carry a huge burden to bring in the revenue for a business. Tim says that his sales employees have to bring in 5 to 6 times their salary in order to provide for the entire company. 

28:30 - JLee mentions that Tim’s answer was pretty spot on. Some asked for more money, some asked for more benefits, and some didn’t ask for anything more. 

30:00 - KD thinks the baller move is to ask for a 3-day work week rather than a pay increase. 

32:00 - JLee mentions that some Audi employees get free cars, comped car insurance, and some money for gas!

Jan 14, 2022
92 - Making HR & Recruiting More Like Uber
37:02

On episode 92 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss how HR and Recruiting could be more like Uber, then shift to the promise of legal immigration in the USA to help fight worker shortage issues. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - Tim recently went and sat on the floor at an MSU game. He said he doesn’t know how to go to a basketball game ever again. 

9:45 - Bruce Springsteen recently sold his music catalog for $500 million. Tim asks the group what artist/group they would buy a catalog from. JLee chose Mariah Carey. KD chose Nirvana. 

13:00 - Tim mentions that Taylor Swift’s catalog got sold but she is now re-recording all of her catalog to get back at the owners. Tim chose Michael Jackson just over Prince. 

15:15 - JLee saw Yao Ming in her office once and was blown away by how big he was and how it impacts every part of his life. 

16:30 - Tim mentions an article about how Uber made it’s users okay with waiting. He relates to a candidate experience perspective and asks how HR pros and recruiters could put something in place to make waiting better. 

18:00 - KD thinks that hiring managers need to commit to a day that they will make their decision and communicate that date. It's the equivalent of arrival time for Uber!

20:00 - Tim says that ATS status updates are too high-level and unspecific. 

24:00 - JLee has the idea to do “hiring manager ratings” just like “driver ratings” that are on rideshare apps. Tim iterates off that and comes up with “number of interviews/hires” just like “number of rides”.

25:15 - In 2021, the US population grew .1%. This is the lowest amount since 1918, when the influenza pandemic and World War 1 were happening. Tim thinks this is a major demographic issue where we aren’t replacing as fast as we are losing people. 

27:30 - Tim asks the crew how revamping immigration could help fight against this problem. JLee and Tim discuss making it easier for people to immigrate by focusing on the process. 

31:00 - KD mentions how 300,000 visas sounds miniscule for what is actually needed to help with the lack of workers issue in this country. 

Jan 07, 2022
91 - The Train Wreck of Zoom-Based Layoffs at Better.com
38:59

On episode 91 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Jeff Bezos’ carbon footprint and the major blunder related to Zoom-based layoffs at better.com. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - It’s boy’s week on HR Famous! Please stay with us JLee fan club!

3:00 - Follow Tim on Insta @timsackett! 

4:30 - Amazon founder Jeff Bezos recently went to space and his carbon footprint for the 9 minute flight was equal to the carbon footprint of 1 billion people on Earth…

7:00 - Tim doesn’t like it when people on vacation tell you what to do. 

10:30 - The CEO of Better.com, Vishal Garg, decided to announce layoffs of 9% of their workforce. He had a call with 900 employees that were getting laid off and rather than having the entire company on the call, they laid off everyone on the call.

13:00 - Tim says that both him and KD have been in companies that had to do massive layoffs and they still found time to make it personal and not so heartless.

16:30 - The Better.com CEO accused his employees of only working 2 hours a day and “stealing from the company”. 

21:00 - Garg is taking time off effectively immediately. Better.com is rated as the best place to work in NYC…

26:30 - Tim says that he can recognize why the PR and comms execs resigned because they could get a lot of flack if they stayed and had to take ownership for Garg’s failures. 

37:30 - Tim thinks that Garg needs to resign as CEO and stay on the board but hire a real CEO to run this company.

Dec 16, 2021
90 - Does Wearing Company Apparel on Zoom Build Culture (?) and HBO's Succession
38:53

On episode 90 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss characters on HBO's Succession, wearing company branded apparel on Zoom calls to attempt to build culture, and increases in health insurance costs. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:45 - JLee had a call with her chief legal counsel and she forgot she had a hoodie on and felt underdressed. 

4:15 - JLee is late to the Succession game but now she is obsessed. Tim and KD are long time fans. JLee asks “who is the least worst of the Succession siblings?”. 

9:40 - Tim didn’t realize while watching Schitt’s Creek that Catherine O’Hara (Moira Rose) was the mom in Home Alone… 

11:30 - A recent Business Insider article reported that a CEO of an established company expects all employees to wear baseball caps/hats on Zoom calls to represent being a part of the company. 

16:45 - Tim mentioned that when he worked at Applebee’s, they loved when their employees wore their logo on the clothes they wore to work and often gave out clothing with the logo. 

19:30 - JLee just realized she’s a perpetrator of this because she bought every member of her team the same hat on a team outing…

26:00 - JLee has noticed that benefits rates are going up and she’s curious about how companies are communicating to their employees why the rates are increasing. Tim said his rates were going to go up by a 34% increase. 

28:00 - Tim says that during the pandemic, health insurance companies had really low utilization and so it looks like this is a cash grab. 

32:00 - Tim has often run into a problem with Blue Cross where they always try to make you pay more than you actually need to and then, employees need to fight back against the insurance company. 

35:00 - JLee is a brand loyalist, even when it comes to medicine!

Dec 06, 2021
89 - Letting Normal Employees Make Hires & Helping Your Kids w/Job Offers
37:07

On episode 89 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss gifted book recommendations, letting employees hire for new roles, and helping your children negotiate job offers. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - Shoutout to JLee’s brother-in-law, Eugene!

5:00 - Tim is on yet another vacation with his wife and family to Hawaii! He bought a few books for this trip and he asked the crew if they were going to give a book to someone for the holidays, what book would they give?

6:30 - KD’s recommendations include Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday and American Kingpin by Nick Bilton. 

8:00 - JLee recommends Plant Therapy for the plant lovers and Act like a leader, Think like a leader by Hereminia Ibarra for the business folk. Tim recommends Living, Loving, and Learning by Leo Buscaglia. 

13:00 - Lots of great book recs this episode! KD recommends fiction writer Douglas Copeland

14:20 - Tim recently wrote a blog post asking “what if we let our normal employees make a hire?”. This would involve almost none of the normal application process; no interview, no resumes, no filler. 

17:00 - KD says that to an extent, companies already do this with the adage “everyone’s a recruiter”. 

19:45 - Tim thinks that small orgs can test this hiring practice and do it on a much smaller scale rather than a huge scale at a major corporation. 

23:45 - JLee tells a story about her first interview at Marriott. JLee wasn’t a typical hire since she didn’t come from a huge brand and a prestigious university. 

26:00 - Tim says you have to be careful on who you hand this hiring responsibility too but notes that some companies that are struggling to find employees have nothing to lose.

27:00 - Tim’s son and podcast producer, Cam, just recently accepted a new job offer. He asked Tim if he should negotiate his job offer and Tim said of course. Tim was super nervous that as soon as he negotiated, that his offer would get pulled. 

31:30 - KD asks JLee about how many managers would step away from an offer if someone tried to negotiate with them. JLee thinks less than 10%. 

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Dec 01, 2021
88 - The Elon Musk Show - Could You Be His HR Leader?
44:41

On episode 88 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Elon Musk as a maverick leader (his move of HQ location without discussing with leadership team, firing of longtime assistant, etc) and whether they could work for him as his SVP of HR. Drinking at Michigan State tailgates is also discussed.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - The Michigan attorney general (Michigan fan) recently released an apology for getting too drunk at a MSU football game. She said there was more alcohol than food at the tailgate. KD said the MSU tailgates are quite aggressive…

6:30 - When MSU and U of M play each other, anywhere from 150-250k people are on the respective campus. Tim says it’s the “biggest cocktail of the North”. 

9:30 - Today’s episode is dedicated to the one and only Elon Musk. A few months ago, Elon announced that the Tesla headquarters are moving from California to Texas. He didn't tell his leadership team before he made the announcement, according to California officials trying to spin the move in a negative way. 

12:30 - Tim can’t believe in a modern world that a CEO would do this since even small moves can cause major change for many employees.  KD notes that it really didn't impact as many people as some might think, since Elon wanted to move to Texas and the top Talent at Tesla is either tied to a plant or as specialists can work where they want as long as they are willing to travel.

14:00 - JLee mentions that Elon is the new “boogeyman”. KD mentions that his leadership team must have had enough experience with him to know that something like could happen or would be happening soon. 

18:30 - KD asks JLee for any guidance from HR leaders that work with CEOs like Elon. She notes that the best strategy may be to not try and control the leader.

20:30 - Tim mentions that Tesla is still considered a startup, even though most startups don’t grow as quickly or to the scale of Tesla. 

24:30 - JLee calls Elon a little petty in response to his former assistant’s story.  The gang makes a note to discuss the dynamics of asking for more $$$ in the future - there's always a chance the answer is no!

33:00 - Elon recently took to Twitter to ask his followers if he should sell 10% of his stock. Tim notes that he had to do this since he has tax bills coming due. 

37:30 - KD talks about some potential tax rebates for purchasing EVs and how the current administration is proposing greater rebates for auto companies with unions. KD notes the administration is penalizing one of the great innovators of the last 100 years, and also notes that the lower rebates may put the Tesla out of reach for some lower and middle class buyers, which he considers ironic due the fact that elites will still buy a Tesla regardless of the price. 

42:30 - KD asks Tim & JLee if they would be Elon’s HR leader. Tim says yes because of his extreme innovation. JLee won’t answer but KD says he would too. 

Nov 14, 2021
87 - OSHA Vaccine Mandates + Millennial Fear of Gen Z
35:34

On episode 87 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss the new vaccine mandates and Millennial Fear of Gen Z.  Welcome to grown up world, Millennials! The kids are crazy!

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:45 - JLee and Tim got dinner this week and KD was a little jealous…

5:15 - Tim recently met with the folks at SHRM and he heard that whenever they put out any content piece about COVID or vaccines, it gets 100 times more engagement than any other posts. 

7:30 - Tim notes that OSHA said all employees that choose not to get vaccinated can be forced to pay for their mandatory tests. He doesn’t know how companies are going to attract new employees and force them to pay for COVID tests. 

9:00 - Congrats to OSHA! You’ve made it!

11:30 - CNBC recently released an article about actor Kal Penn applying for a job at the White House under the Obama administration. He didn’t receive a response from his application until he mentioned to Michelle Obama at a White House gala that he had applied. 

18:00 - JLee has thought about working for the federal government to help fix their hiring process. She applied through a similar website to the one Kal Penn used and she never received a response. 

22:00 - JLee thinks the federal government needs someone with private sector sensibilities to come in and fix their hiring processes. 

23:30 - Tim recently sent JLee an article from the NY Times titled “The 37-Year-Olds Are Afraid of the 23-Year-Olds that Work For Them”. Tim asked JLee if she’s afraid of her twenty-something employees. 

27:00 - JLee wonders how we can still encourage young people to be bold and unapologetic with some more grown up sensibilities. 

31:00 - Tim’s advice for young people is to always run ideas/suggestions/comments by a trusted mentor before going to the broader public at a corporate level. 

Nov 09, 2021
86 - Adam Grant's Future of Work, Future of Multi-Tasking in Meetings
31:33

On episode 86 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss new Peloton users, Blink 182, how to multitask during in-person meetings, and Adam Grant’s future of work. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:45 - We have a new Peloton user! KD is now on Peloton and JLee picked his username. 

6:45 - Tim asked KD to make a meme with the “change my mind” format. He added the text “Michael Bolton should be at SHRM every year”. 

8:40 - JLee proudly notes that while Kim Kardashian has been staying in NYC, she’s been choosing to stay at a certain Marriott hotel (location undisclosed).

10:00 - This is now a Blink-182 podcast!

11:30 - JLee is stressed because of the impending return to office. She’s worried she can’t openly multitask during meetings. She asks her co-hosts for some advice. 

13:40 - Tim reminds us that people often had laptops open during in-person meetings and many of them were not just taking notes. 

18:30 - Recently, Adam Grant wrote an essay in the Wall Street Journal titled “ The Real Meaning of Freedom at Work”. He discusses the “great resignation” and notes that this is part of a longer shift in working trends that has been happening for a long time. 

22:00 - Tim notes that Adam Grant’s perspective on work is probably very different than most due to his job as a college professor at an elite university. 

25:15 - JLee discusses how the notion of “positive liberty” entails some privilege and that those within the service industry are most likely not able to exercise this liberty. 

28:45 - Everyone brings up individually how a lot of the population doesn’t want to have their own freedom in the workplace and just wants to be told what to do and how to do it.


 
Oct 31, 2021
85 - How Many Hours a Week Should You Work?
34:17

On episode 85 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss the differences between Big 10 and SEC football games, how many hours a week we work, and whether America is ready for a 4-day work week. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Tim recently visited KD in Alabama and went to an Auburn football game. He said it was very different from the Big 10 football games he’s accustomed to. 

6:00 - Tim is upset with KD because he didn’t prepare Tim with the right gear for an Auburn football game. Everyone wears polos and Tim didn’t have one to fit in with the other men. 

9:00 - The only person that Tim found that matched him was an elderly woman at a pizza restaurant…

12:00 - Tim found that the consumption of alcohol at an SEC game is about 50% less than a Big 10 game. He also found that the fans get to the games a lot earlier than at Big 10 schools. 

16:45 - Atlassian put out an article titled “This is how many hours you should really be working”. WHO found out that around the world that working 55 hours a week or more can put serious risk on your life. 

18:30 - JLee says she works about 55 hours a week. Tim doesn’t think she does and thinks she only works 40. 

23:00 - KD asks Tim how many hours a week he works. He says that he doesn’t really know. At first, he thought he would say 40 hours but he now thinks it might be a little bit more. 

26:00 - KD says on the flip side of “hustle porn”, there is “work-life balance porn”. 

27:45 - Tim asks the ultimate trigger question: “do you work more or less hours at home than when you worked in the office?”. JLee says she works more at-home for sure, since there are less distractions. KD says the opposite, but he’s been in a hybrid model for 10 years. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Oct 24, 2021
84 - Should You Send That Email at 9pm?
38:45

On episode 84 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss business travel during the pandemic, sending late night emails, and whether you should opt out of a group message. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - KD asks Tim what his favorite OG from old-school rap is. He loves LL Cool J and JLee likes Dr. Dre because of his purple satin suit. 

5:15 - KD has been hitting business travel hard over the last few weeks. He has been in 4 different locations after not having much at all for the last year and a half. He has really started to notice the different mentalities to COVID precautions/mask wearing in different parts of the country. 

8:00 - KD was surprised by the strict mask mandates that were in place in Las Vegas when he and Tim were there for a conference. 

11:00 - JLee is happy that the housekeeper at the hotel that KD stayed at felt empowered enough to enforce mask mandate policy.

14:30 - On a Southwest flight recently, KD heard the initial reactions of Southwest employees to a vaccine mandate.

17:00 - Tim mentions how some airlines offered early retirement to pilots during the pandemic and are now begging pilots to come back to work. 

20:00 - KD wrote a post recently titled “Are you a jerk for sending an email at 9 pm?”. KD references a study where they looked at this and they found that receivers of late emails overestimated the quickness of response needed. 

23:00 - JLee thinks that people in their mid-career won’t care when emails are sent and more senior employees may be more careful with their messaging. 

25:30 - If the future of remote work offers more flexibility, Tim thinks that email send time doesn’t matter as much anymore (with caveats). 

28:45 - There are folks out there that are very anti-after hours emails. 

32:00 - Tim doesn’t understand the people that want to have their cake and eat it too. How are we going to be working flexibly and then also defining after hours?

37:30 - JLee thinks it’s a power move to opt out of group messages, like group texts or chain emails. KD thinks it’s better to opt out instead of not participating at all. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Oct 19, 2021
83 - Zillow Remote Comp & JLee's New Job
42:10

On episode 83 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss  Halloween at work, Zillow’s new remote comp approach, and JLee’s new job!

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Halloween is coming soon! JLee asks the crew if they’re dressing up for the holiday this year. 

4:15 - JLee wonders if she is forcing fun onto her friends, family, and co-workers by making them do fall/Halloween related activities. Tim says that people almost always have fun when they’re forced to partake in these types of activities. 

8:00 - How do you feel about group costumes? The crew goes back and forth on good group costumes. 

10:30 -  JLee saw a post on LinkedIn of an update from a CHRO at a major company. She reads the update to Tim and KD and then reveals that the company is Zillow. 

12:45 - KD is softening to the approach of not factoring in location when determining salary/pay. 

16:45 - JLee notes that certain brands have the privilege to exercise changes in pay and salary because people are willing to give something up to work for your brand. 

18:40 - Tim worries that the fact that companies are doubling down on not changing pay based on location will result in something bad happening years down the line. 

22:00 - JLee wonders if everyone is overreacting to these discussions and changes in company policies. She thinks some things will just go back to how they were and this might just blow over. 

24:00 - JLee praises KD for changing his opinion and having the ability to develop a new stance on something. 

25:00 - JLee got a promotion! She asks Tim and KD for some advice on her new job. 

28:00 - KD advises JLee to give patience to new people that she is now managing. He advises her to walk the line between being patient but also being decisive when the time comes. 

31:30 - Tim advises JLee to bring a third party, within the company, to lead transition meetings in order to give a voice to her new employees. 

36:30 - JLee asks Tim and KD how to manage new stresses with a new job at home when it comes to family. Tim says your time becomes more valuable and there are things you have to figure out that will make your life easier. 

39:00 - JLee mentions that her husband recently reached out about any extra support she needs now with a new job. KD and Tim are impressed. 

Oct 10, 2021
82 - Gen Z Job Hopping and TikTok Recruiting
36:42

On episode 82 of The HR Famous Podcast,  long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss TikTok hiring, recruitment marketing on social media, and Gen Z job hopping. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - Tim is a TikTok user and often sends them to his closest friends & family, including KD and JLee. JLee deleted the app so she only gets them from Tim now. 

5:00 - There is a new TikTok trend where someone asks a question like “tell me blank” and people respond to the original. The Amazon brand account created one where the question was “what was the best thing you ever got off of Amazon” and an employee responded and said “my career”. Tim thinks Amazon has a great TikTok employment branding presence. 

8:15 - KD thinks that social media recruiting only works on platforms that display company and job titles.

13:00 - JLee thinks that recruiters may get off the rails and try to improve their own personal brand. She thinks that a lot of recruitment marketing content is cheap and unoriginal. 

15:00 - Cameron, Tim’s son, recently shared a TikTok with Tim where a young worker was sharing the advice to job hop in order to increase salaries. 

16:00 - JLee thinks the only reason to job hop is to get different experiences and try new things. 

17:30 - KD says the concept of job hopping is not new but the advice is. He also thinks that 2 years is the perfect time for a young person to job hop. 

21:30 - Tim and JLee say that if you’re hopping laterally to several different jobs, there has to be a story behind it. 

24:30 - JLee worries that if you’re making progression in your career but you are hopping from company to company that you aren’t good enough to ever get promoted internally. 

26:00 - AppCast recently came out with data for companies that are struggling to get applicants. Some of their advice includes shortening your apply cycle and posting jobs at the start of the week and the end of the month.

29:00 - Tim says that only 1/10 TA leaders know where applicants are dropping off on their application process. 

32:00 - Another piece of advice is to include at least 2 specific benefits in the job posting. This improved application rates by at least 40%.

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Oct 03, 2021
81 - Theranos Work Texts and Proposed Paid Leave Bill
41:11

On episode 81 of The HR Famous Podcast,  long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss texting in the workplace, the Theranos trial, and the proposed paid leave bill.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:40 - KD recently was on a run while on vacation in Florida and pulled out his phone and checked out the Zillow app while running - a normal KD trait.

4:30 - KD asks JLee to speak about an instance where she made a business mistake over texting. JLee mentions a co-worker who had a misspelling error. 

7:15 - Tim talks about how the “meeting after the meeting” is now happening during the meeting on Zoom. 

9:15 - How cognizant are you of your exclamation point usage in emails? JLee says she doesn’t limit herself like she once did. 

12:00 - KD mentions the book Bad Blood by Ramesh Balwani that is about Theranos and their blood testing. 

14:00 - KD reads text messages between Elizabeth Homes and Sunny Balwani that were uncovered by the prosecutors at the ongoing Theranos trial. 

19:00 - KD thinks that the prosecutor should have a running screen at the trial of the best text exchanges between Holmes and Balwani.

22:30 - JLee warns everyone that text messages can be discovered even if they are deleted. 

24:00 - The People Infrastructure Bill coming from the Biden administration has a lot of things that impact the workplace. KD brings up paid leave and the new policy. This policy includes paid leave for almost all workers that have earned wages in the last 6 months. 

26:00 - Tim’s initial reaction is torn because he wants to have the paid leave benefits for American people and families but he worries about the actual financial cost of these policies. 

29:00 - JLee mentions how it’s hard to manage paid leave in a multi-state work environment and how some of these policies could help ease those complications. 

31:00 - Tim says that HR pros may be the worst to talk about paid leave because they see all the people that take advantage of systems that are in place to help people. 

36:00 - KD reads the 9 states that currently have 9 paid leave laws. JLee says she’s surprised Maryland doesn’t have paid leave laws. Tim says that he’s surprised Vermont isn’t included and KD says Minnesota.

 


 
Sep 26, 2021
80 - Women Who Hire Men Who Listen, HR Event Vaccine Mandates
33:41

On episode 80 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss hiring men to listen to you, generational wealth gaps and how money is dispersed generationally, and in-person HR conferences!

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - Tim and KD are together recording live in Miami! They are seeing the Michigan State Spartans football team take on the Miami Hurricanes. 

2:30 - Tim found a new article that discusses a new phenomenon where Chinese women rent men to listen to them. 

7:30 - KD wonders what the training for these men is like. He thinks it might involve some body language training, non-verbal affirmations, and listening skills. 

10:30 - KD asks if a young Chinese man would rather go into an industrial career or this type of job. Tim notes that they want them to be college educated, pop-culturally savvy, amongst other qualifications. 

12:45 - Recently an economic study found that 30 year olds across time and generations don’t have any major change in wealth attained and acquired although, there has been a growing dissatisfaction with the wealth gap in the US amongst young people. 

15:15 - KD mentions that he doesn’t know a lot of Boomers that grew up with a lot of wealth or privilege and how our transition into a consumption society has tainted young people’s view of the world. 

17:30 - “Comparison is the thief of joy.” - Kris Dunn

21:40 - Tim recently went to SHRM annual and is headed to another SHRM conference with KD. Tim has noticed a small but vocal group on social media trying to stop people from going to these in-person conferences. 

24:50 - Tim thinks it’s brave of HR Tech to mandate vaccines for their in-person conferences since it’s alienating about 30% of the potential audience. KD thinks that it’s not brave because they were trying to maximize the biggest audience possible. 

28:30 - Tim noticed that there were a lot of extroverts at the SHRM conference and that they were very engaged.

31:40 - Catch Tim and KD at HR Tech from Sep 28 to Oct 1!

Sep 20, 2021
79 - Why Are Males Increasingly Opting Out of College?
36:48

On episode 79 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss the declining participation rate of males across colleges and universities in America.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - KD sent a note to JLee about women's workplace fashion coming out of COVID and learned a lot in the back and forth.

7:15 - What would you tell someone in 2021 who was sick of their job and wanted to quit?  Should they wait before they have another job and join what's been called "The Great Resignation", where people quit before having their next gig lined up. Is this a generational thing?

9:30 - JLee thinks that the ability to quit a job before getting another job has a privilege that many others don’t have. 

11:00 - Tim says it’s a proven fact that it’s easier to get a job when you have a job. He says don’t quit a job until you have the next. 

13:00 - KD mentions an article from the Wall Street Journal about the declining rate of men choosing to attend college.  College campuses are becoming a split 60/40 female to male.

15:00 - Tim says this is only an issue if we have a functional way to get men into trade skills careers and other similar types of jobs. KD thinks that pointing to alternatives to college as a reason for the drop is not the whole story.

19:30 - KD asks JLee if she can't fathom a world where men become a focus point for colleges and the companies they serve, or if she believes the world will be unwilling to do that.  She thinks both.

20:00 - JLee wonders if there is too much pride in this country to develop programs to build up and take care of young boys through programming. Kris discusses how cultural changes and resulting shifts on campus have created a mismatch between how young men view themselves from a masculinity perspective and their view of campus life.

24:30 - JLee notes that she thinks educational environments don’t often do a good job catering to a diverse set of students and that this could be part of the larger issue of men choosing not to attend college. 

26:45 - Tim thinks there are only 3 avenues for graduates from public schools and that a lot of students aren’t ready/aren’t a good fit for college.

31:45 - JLee says that a man cannot be the one that is the voice and the face of a male-centered campaign to help with this declining rate.  Tim points to the fact that a man trying to lead the cause would be seen as an uber conservative. KD wonders aloud why the topic of masculinity can only be viewed as negative and viewed in an extreme way when different versions of masculinity exists and all are not toxic.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Sep 13, 2021
78 - Campus Recruiting & When Firing HR Pros Goes Wrong
33:44

On episode 78 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss campus recruiting, how terminated employees can cause damage, and some of our favorite firing horror stories. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - It’s conference season! Tim wonders if conferences will permanently have a virtual option now. 

5:45 - Tim asks if the team has had any experience recruiting new grads or soon-to-be college grads. Tim calls out Handshake for changing the campus recruiting process. He asks JLee how campus recruiting at Marriott works and what the frustrations are. 

8:45 - JLee mentions how a lot of career center employees are out of touch with the corporate world and simply rely on their relationships to help their students. 

11:15 - KD brings up John Nykolaiszyn from Florida International University (who was a guest on KD’s other pod Best Hire Ever) as an example of a campus career services leader doing it right. 

13:30 - Tim harps on career services for hiding their students instead of making them really available for employers.

16:45 - Tim says that CHRO’s want from universities and colleges is a LinkedIn for college students. They want some sort of database that is like LinkedIn that will allow them to search for new hires in their areas.

19:00 - Tim hired 2 new grads to his company and he had to reach out to career services directly in order to get on Handshake since he had a ”low trust score”. 

21:30 - MarketWatch recently released an article about an upset HR executive that deleted 17,000 resumes from their system after being fired. Tim asks the crew to share their best resignation/firing story. 

25:00 - KD tells a story about the termination of a blue collar employee at a former company he worked with and he had to restrain the terminated employee to help save a manager. 

27:30 - JLee’s story involves a fired employee and someone’s personal mini fridge and helping them remove it from their office. 

33:00 - Tim says that companies need to have their systems locked down when firing someone remotely or they can risk someone doing damage to their online systems and databases. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Sep 07, 2021
77 - Lululemon Culture Issues and Definition of an Entry Level Job
39:34

On episode 77 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss what back to school shopping looks like, Lululemon’s culture issues, and what a real entry-level job looks like. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Back to school season is here! Tim saw an article about a Delaware school district that is paying their student’s families to drive their kids to school because there is a bus driver shortage. 

6:00 - JLee’s son is obsessed with Nike Dry Fit but he doesn’t know the difference between Target and Nike because he can’t read. Target it is!

7:45 - Tim’s youngest son does not care at all what he wears so no new clothes for back to school!

10:00 - Some Lululemon employees have come forward recently and complained about a bullying environment in their workplace. Many employees get asked before they work if “they sweat today?”. 

16:00 - Tim thinks that this is a startup vs. a growth company issue. Startups will go to great lengths to find employees that match their culture but the more you grow, the more people will stray from that culture. 

19:15 - JLee wants her kids to live like she did with no brand names. Tim said his dad would pay for half of whatever brand name shoes he wanted in high school. 

21:30 - KD mentions that this is a lighter version of the same issue that faces Hooters when hiring since the brand revolves around people’s appearances. 

22:30 - JLee noticed a report on LinkedIn about the shrinking number of entry-level jobs and that now, entry-level jobs require years of experience.

26:00 - Tim says that a job is not an entry-level job when they require years of experience in the field of the job and he doesn’t like it when companies act like these jobs are truly entry-level. 

29:00 - Tim mentions Enterprise’s management training program and how everyone tried to replicate it because it was so successful. 

33:00 - KD likes a group or a cohort of new hires where they can experience it together and demonstrate a strong alumni base post-entry level position. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Aug 30, 2021
76 - Employees With a Secret 2nd Remote Job, Google Cuts Pay for WFH FTEs
37:34

On episode 76 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss back to school season, Google’s new internal calculator for pay cuts, and secretly working 2 remote jobs. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - It’s back to school season! JLee is feeling ready for the season after getting back from a vacation to Turks & Caicos. Her kids are going to be in person at school all day.

3:45 - Tim’s last child is a senior in high school and they are ready for him to get out of the house. His wife doesn’t know how she’s going to make it through the year…

5:30 - In a shout out to "no one really knows anything", KD mentions a report from the UAB that said 40% of a state is going to get COVID between July and September because of the Delta variant. The majority will show no symptoms. Is that bad?  No one really knows.  Songs from the band Chicago are cited.

9:30 - Google’s rolled out a new internal calculator explaining potential pay cuts to employees who choose to work remotely and people are getting penalized. Reuters reported on screenshots of this calculator.

12:00 - JLee gives Google a thumbs up for being a leader on the forefront of salary changing by location.

14:00 - Tim discusses the thought process that this is built on: I should get paid the same regardless of where I live. The reality is that every market substantiates different pay levels. 

17:45 - JLee mentions that this decision is a hard one to make and someone has to be the leader on this forefront. She also mentions that there’s definitely room to change if there’s backlash. 

22:45 - Are people taking on second jobs while they work from home? There’s a book coming out from an individual about their story working two remote jobs. Check out more at their website. They came out with 12 rules about working two remote jobs, top of the list being “don’t talk about your other job”. 

26:50 - One of their rules is “be average”. JLee says that this is when it falls apart. She says to kick butt at job #1 and work your way up there, instead of being average at 2 different jobs. 

29:00 - KD asks the crew what percentage of adults work 2 jobs. JLee says 10% and Tim and KD say 1%. 

30:30 - Tim had this happen to him with a contractor who was working 2 jobs. 

34:30 - Tim thinks that people are too afraid of retaliation/being found out so he’s sticking with his 1% guess of people that work more than 1 job remotely.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Aug 23, 2021
75 - Joss Leufrancois of Visage
28:01

On episode 75 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by special guest Joss Leufrancois to discuss all things Visage, what ROI Tim has gotten by using Visage at his company, and how companies can quickly improve their hiring abilities. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:00 - We have a fun guest on the podcast today! Please welcome to your ears Joss Leufrancois from Visage

4:00 - Tim notes how it’s hard for a recruiter to be good at sourcing since they often have to go and seek that training and knowledge on their own. 

5:30 - Joss mentions how at Visage they don’t believe that AI will solve everything and how we need people to deal with the ambiguity in job postings.

7:30 -  Tim praises Visage for helping his employees to do less work with a new piece of technology. 

9:15 - Tim found that he got a 6 to 1 ROI while using Visage.

14:30 - Tim asks Joss what he is seeing with this mass influx of hiring in almost all markets. He says that companies are changing what they require out of candidates and he doesn’t know if the market will stabilize any time soon in the next 15-24 months.

17:30 - Tim says that there are simply not enough workers to fill all of the open jobs that exist for the next few years. 

19:30 - Tim mentions how most people want to go have some experience in the office but they still want the flexibility to work remotely when it’s convenient for them.

22:30 - Final question: what can organizations do to improve quickly? Joss says that choosing a concrete long-term plan of remote vs. in person work and making it well known will help be more transparent to candidates.

24:30 - Tim has his new recruiters work in the office full time until they are comfortable enough and proficient enough to start working remotely. 

26:15 - You can find Joss at Visage’s website or on his LinkedIn! Check him out.

Aug 19, 2021
74 - LinkedIn's Return to Work Plans, Employee Monitoring
31:49

On episode 74 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss fears of employee communication monitoring, how much bosses are really monitoring their employees, and LinkedIn’s latest announcement on their plan for remote work. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - Tim mentions a county in Michigan that is offering new residents $15,000 to move there and buy property. He asks the crew how much money they would move for. 

6:00 - Jessica mentions a program in Italy right now where they’re selling properties for dirt cheap in hopes that people will come and revitalize and invest in small Italian towns. 

8:30 - Tim asks the crew if they’ve ever been nervous that a boss was monitoring their communication. JLee says that only when she’s said something bad about that boss. 

10:30 - JLee asks Tim and KD if they think people are worried their bosses are reading their actual emails. Tim says that it partly is an HR narrative issue and he says most times actual people aren’t monitoring, it’s technical processes that are. 

13:15 - While Tim was working at Applebee’s, his boss got flagged that he was spending a lot of time on Facebook. At the time, they were trying to do some recruiting initiatives on the platform. 

17:00 - JLee asks if it’s okay for her to judge her team members for having such expensive phone plans. 

19:30 - Tim loves to mess with KD and JLee by sending them annoying messages while they’re presenting in a meeting so the notifications pop up for everyone to see…

24:00 - LinkedIn’s CEO recently published a post titled “We Trust Each Other”. They decided to go back to work half-time and this posts reflects on their decision and revises their policy, where moving forward they’re offering more flexibility to their employees and where they work. 

27:00 - JLee applauds them for this messaging, even though they are backpedaling on their original announcement. She likes messages with the world ‘trust’ and thinks it’s smart from a communication perspective.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Aug 14, 2021
73 - TIkTok Resumes and Funky Hiring Promotions
36:31

On episode 73 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss weird tactics companies are using to find employees, TikTok resumes and their reactions to the Olympics!

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - The whole crew was very into the 2020 Summer Olympics, even though they’re confused on why it’s called 2020 and not 2021. KD is watching the NBC primetime coverage

4:30 - KD wonders why the divers take showers after every dive. JLee tells him that it’s to keep their muscles warm since the pool is so cold. The more you know!

7:00 - Shout out to Katie Ledecky who’s from JLee’s home area! What a beast. 

9:30 - JLee is teaching her children about the Olympics and how they should root for everyone to do well and be happy for all the winners. Great sports life lessons!

11:00 - The majority of the US Olympic team are women. This is the third straight Olympics where women outnumber men for Team USA. 

12:15 - JLee asks Tim and KD what the weirdest thing they’ve seen to help with hiring. She saw a Wendy’s that was offering a free meal to do an interview for a job. KD says that the lack of change by some companies has been the oddest thing to him.

15:45 - JLee shouts out Chipotle for hopping on TikTok to ramp up hiring. 

17:20 - Tim talks about how Chipotle got an influencer to come in and make a video about her past employment there. He thinks this is a really smart recruitment marketing tactic. 

19:30 - JLee talks about an influencer Marriott uses that makes content about being a foster mom of teenage girls. 

22:30 - Tim praises TikTok Resumes for being innovative unlike many other social platforms but is upset that their job description language is the same traditional, boring descriptions from the past. 

27:00 - Tim thinks that smaller brands can have more impact using TikTok for hiring since the bigger brands have more risk involved. 

31:30 - JLee asks the crew what they would say if their kids asked if they should do a TIkTok resume. Tim says that if a brand is on TikTok resumes, they should know what they’re getting themselves into.

Aug 08, 2021
72 - The Gang Reviews Their Work Habits via Microsoft MyAnalytics Reports
37:07

On episode 72 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn   come together to discuss when they are most productive, their work habits via Microsoft MyAnalytics Reports and what those reports say about their wellness levels and work-life balance.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - KD kicks off the episode by asking the crew if they’re more productive in the morning or night. JLee is not a morning person, where Tim is the opposite. 

6:00 - KD likes to wake up in the morning and read a few chapters. Can you read in the morning or would you fall asleep?

9:00 - KD tries to unplug once a week and he checks his Microsoft MyAnalytics report to see how good he is at this. The analytics report didn’t seem too impressed with KD’s attempt at “crushing it” since he only had 2 work free days in the entire month. 

12:00 - These Microsoft reports seem to be telling employees that they have some work to do from a wellbeing perspective due to set “on and off” hours. 

14:30 - Another statistic KD’s report gave him was that he compromised his “nightly recharge” by working after midnight. 

17:30 - JLee thinks that what might work with these reports is managers having conversations with their teams about how to best look at this data and use the insightful parts.

19:00 - Tim turns off his phone at night and walks up to a manual alarm clock. JLee and KD leave their phones on at night. Do you leave your phone on at night?

22:30 - KD notes that there is no real designation on the platform as “offline” so it’s giving everyone “online” time during their working hours, even if they’re not being 100% productive. 

24:30 - KD’s report said that he gets easily distracted by email and reads 75% of his email within 30 minutes of reading it. The advice it gave him was to think about reading emails only once an hour. 

28:00 - Tim and KD read over 1000 emails a week. JLee says she doesn’t read a lot of emails and KD notes that that’s only really okay if you’re a leader. 

32:00 - KD gives props to Microsoft for giving a shot at giving these kinds of analytics. He doesn’t know if he loves all of this info going to all employees without more context.

Aug 01, 2021
71 - Companies Diss Colorado When it Comes to Remote Jobs
31:18

On episode 71 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss how companies are giving Colorado trouble when it comes to remote work, the problems of business travel in an opening world, and vacation problems.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Tim recently visited his son in NYC and had the world’s best tacos but almost ditched them for some Korean fried chicken. 

4:00 - Vacations with family and friends are stressful! So much food…

6:00 - All across the US right now are staffing issues. Businesses are in desperate need of staff. Airports are a mess and Tim gives us some of his recent travel woes due to lack of staffing. 

10:00 - Another issue facing the world right now is shortage of cars. Due to some chip shortages, there is a lack of cars which includes a shortage of rental cars. Tim couldn’t get a rental car even weeks ahead. 

12:30 - Recently KD and Tim stayed at the same hotel and were checked-in at an automated system. They did have some employees that were helping out with the process but it was a little bit of a waste. 

15:30 - Revenge travel is real but it’s requiring extra patience right now due to all of the shortage issues. 

17:00 - Colorado has a new state law that requires all companies to disclose salary ranges for all roles being hired (even remote ones). Companies are getting around this law by saying “this position will be filled outside the state of Colorado”. 

20:30 - KD mentions that President Obama once said “elections have consequences”. He relates that to this Colorado law and the movie Blazing Saddles. 

23:00 - JLee mentions that many ATS’s are not set up to display location to jobseekers. She also notes that a lot of big companies are including this language in Colorado but also have confusing language on the actual location of the job. 

27:00 - KD thinks it’s fascinating how states are taking a stand to make hiring more equitable but many brands are taking a stance against them. Many of these brands will stand up for other social causes but not for this one.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jul 27, 2021
70 - Entire Orgs Shutting Down for "Collective" PTO + Guilty Olympic Pleasures
34:30

On episode 70 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss the 2021 Summer Olympics, the concept of collective time off and entire companies shutting down, and the lack of women returning to the workforce. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - The Olympics are here! Tim’s wife is Olympic obsessed and watches anything and everything.

4:00 - KD’s favorite Olympic sports are men’s basketball and the decathlon. He loves seeing some bigger dudes struggling with the run at the very end. Tim is a swimming and track & field fan. 

6:45 - JLee is more of a winter Olympic fan but she loves watching archery during the summer. She loves watching the Koreans kick butt in archery at the Olympics. 

9:00 - To help combat burnout, companies have started to implement the concept of “collective time off”, where the entire company shuts down. Bumble recently decided to give their entire staff a week off at the same time. 

11:00 - KD is skeptical of the concept - calling it Privilege - since a lot of companies cannot afford to let all of their employees take off a day like that. 

14:00 - JLee mentions that at her company, Marriott, they cannot afford to give every employee time off since they are a 24/7 operation and that opens them up to controversy and criticism. 

17:20 - JLee asks Tim if this can be used as a recruiting tactic. When he was working at Applebee’s, he found himself working an HR job on Black Friday even though there was nothing to do. Then, they got a new CEO that changed the mindset to not treat everyone the same. 

22:45 - There has been some more data released recently about women in the workforce. JLee mentions how it might not be an option for some women to return to the workforce now. Tim recently found a data point that said there are 2 million people that still have not returned to the workforce. 

27:45 - KD thinks this isn’t an issue that HR can fix on their own. It can be a lot of work but it can be very worthwhile since it’s one of the biggest untapped segments out there.

30:00 - JLee remembers seeing two moms that jobshared and thinking how progressive and seamless it was. 

32:00 - Tim mentions how his brother-in-law is a teacher and only took home $10-15k a year after paying for childcare. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jul 20, 2021
69 - Shopify's CEO Lays Smackdown of Workplace Politics + The Age of the "Quick Quit"
38:07

On episode 69 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Shopify's CEO laying a smackdown on workplace politics and how hiring in the post-COVID era is the risky age of the "quick quit."

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - KD (our resident book expert) mentions the book, Edge City, about suburban areas that become their own city when it gets enough leasable commercial real estate. 

5:20 - KD asks the crew what they wear on the Fourth of July. Tim and his family wear the Old Navy flag t-shirts every year. 

8:30 - Tim and his wife went to DC for the 4th when his wife was pregnant for the first time and they were not prepared for the madness!

9:30: KD is seeing so much fast-churn in the hiring world right now due to the tight job market and heavy hiring right now. 

12:30 - JLee is really fascinated by the metrics of a “quick-quit” or a “quick-churn”. She mentions that it’s really important when her company is opening new hotels. 

15:30 - Tim mentions how HR treats new employees so roughly and treats them as if they’re seasoned employees. This can ruin new hires and make them want to leave. 

18:40 - JLee says that onboarding shouldn’t be treated as one person’s job, just like company culture. Everyone plays a role and everyone needs to be all in. 

22:00 - Tim says that a piece of the onboarding issue is relationship-based. Good recruiters can do this well because they are good at building that relationship. 

25:00 - Everyone’s favorite topic: politics in the workplace! KD brings up the Canadian company, Shopify. Their CEO made a statement saying that their company is not a family but it is a great team. The statement was made to try and tamp down divisiveness on politics within their teams.  KD notes that the CEO is left leaning, had enough of activist employees and that his guidance was epic. 

29:30 - Tim speaks about how if he’s working with someone that is good at their job and giving him what he needs from a team perspective, that’s all that matters to him. He doesn’t have to be friends with everyone he works with.

32:00 - Jessica commends the statement for discussing how there isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach for how a company can approach politics and social issues and everyone will do it for how it fits their culture.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jul 11, 2021
68 - Apple's Return to Work Plans, Companies Hunt Cheaper Talent
36:40

On episode 68 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss their new diets for a post-quarantine summer, Apple’s return to work plans, and the managers finding cheaper domestic talent outside of elite/expensive labor markets. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:15 - JLee is currently on a vegan kick and she is very hungry…

5:00 - Tim is also trying a new diet for his upcoming family trip to Hawaii for Thanksgiving. He’s seeing some changes so far!

8:00 - KD did 100 pull ups in the course of 90 minutes and it destroyed him. He said it took 5 days for his body to recover…

12:00 - One of the movies that cemented JLee’s switch to a more plant-based diet is called Game Changers (on Netflix) and it’s about a UFC fighter who went vegan and had life-changing results. 

13:20 - Starting in September, Apple employees will have to return to the office on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.  JLee likes that there is some balance but she doesn’t like that there isn’t more flexibility.

18:30 - In juxtaposition to Apple, Facebook has come out and said that they will stay completely virtual for the foreseeable future.

22:00 - A trend we’re seeing in hiring is “offshoring of talent”. Since there are different costs of living in different places, managers are seeing a potential gain from hiring those who live and work in cheaper places.

27:00 - Tim doesn’t think that this is a salary cut across the board but it’s more of a market correction on the places that had extremely high costs. 

30:00 - JLee is interested to see if there will be retention or turnover issues post-Labor Day when a lot of companies will start to enact their return to work plans. 

Jun 28, 2021
67 - Naomi Osaka and Mental Health in the Workplace
30:30

On episode 67 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss Zoom backgrounds, Naomi Osaka and mental health, and LinkedIn’s acquisition of the platform Hopin. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:15 - Tim has read that it is healthier to not make your bed. What do we think? It sounds pretty gross…

4:00 - Are we sick of virtual Zoom backgrounds? Tim was bamboozled by someone’s background recently. 

7:40 - First topic: tennis star Naomi Osaka recently refused to partake in press at the French Open due to mental health reasons and later withdrew from the competition. Tim asks the crew whether high-profile people like athletes and celebrities should be forced to do press. 

10:30 - JLee thinks that people like Osaka and Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have extenuating circumstances because they are so famous and have such immense pressures that most people cannot understand. 

13:00 - KD thinks that a lot of people in the “toughen up” camp have really grown and learned from the normalizing of mental health concerns. However, Naomi is different from the run-of-the-mill employee.

17:30 - JLee thinks it’s important to try to have empathy and grace for what people are going through without always knowing what is going on.

18:30 - KD shares his life during the pandemic where he got too into working and has had to set some boundaries in his personal life for when he can and should be working. 

21:00 - Tim is concerned that there is a “mental health trap” where people that are underperforming may use mental health concerns as a faux crutch to explain their poor performance on the job. 

23:20 - Naomi Osaka is dating rapper Cordae. Tim quizzes KD and JLee on his music and whether they know any of his songs. 

24:30 - LinkedIn recently bought the virtual events platform Hopin. Tim thinks it’s a little clunky and isn’t great from a user experience. JLee is a fan of attending their virtual events but wants in-person events back!

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jun 20, 2021
66 - Geriatric Millennials and HR Influencer Lists
35:20

On episode 66 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss the Top 100 HR Tech Influencers of 2021 and whether geriatric millennials are coming to save the world or not!

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:00 - JLee is in the DC metro area and is currently being overrun by cicadas! 

3:00 - JLee, Tim, and KD were all named one of the top 100 HR Tech influencers of 2021! Our podcast has influence!

6:30 - Tim is getting reached out by not so reputable HR tech companies to be on their “top 10 lists” but he only wants to be on the robust, well-researched lists. 

9:45 - JLee doesn’t know if any of the other hundreds of other HR employees at her company know about her being on this list. She asks the crew the question “does this event matter?”. Tim thinks it’s great for the speaker bio. 

15:00 - JLee hasn’t been on lists for awhile but she’s back since starting HR Famous and starting back on the conference circuit. She says that getting back out there has helped her open her eyes and see what else is going on in the world. 

18:00 - KD says that he may not get more business from being on this list but he’s at the company he’s at now because of being out there in the HR space.  HIs last 2 career opportunities have come from being more active than normal in the HR space.  He also considers the HR Tech/HR Executive Magazine list to be the gold standard.

19:45 - An article has been going around JLee’s office and it’s about “geriatric millennials' ' and their eagerness to go into a world of hybrid work. 

21:00 - What’s a geriatric millennial? They were not digital natives and remember a time before cell phones and other technological advancements. JLee is the resident geriatric millennial of the pod.

23:45 - Geriatric millennials have the ability to go between the online and offline world where older and younger generations may struggle at being online/offline. Also, they have had to learn how to adapt to different digital technologies quickly. 

30:00 - KD calls BS on the concept that everyone in a generational slice is going to have impact in the world, noting that high performers throughout time in the 35-40 range are always "next up" in the world of work. But not everyone within a certain age group is going to save the world. There will always be high potential earners in every group, and they’ll rise to create change.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jun 13, 2021
65 - When Execs Share Leadership Clickbait With The Team
37:23

On episode 65 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss electric vehicles, leadership porn, and ride sharing companies ramping up signing bonuses for drivers due to wait times and fares being up significantly.

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3:00 - KD asks JLee what the first electronic vehicle (EV) she’ll own will be. JLee’s husband wants the Tesla Model Y. Tim wants the Hummer EV Edition 1 but he might have to get it used. 

8:00 - First topic: CEO and leadership clickbait! All HR people have seen a leader that will create a big email thread about an article they’ve become obsessed with. 

10:00 - This is the CNBC article about 5 quick tests to hiring. Some of these tests include the “good person”, “energy”, and “another offer” test.  KD thinks it's a hoot and representative of everything that's wrong with leadership content.

12:30 - Tim thinks that Reffkin sounds like he’s trying to hire a grandmother with some of his rules. Do we really want everyone to live by the golden rule? And how do you freaking figure THAT out in an interview process.

14:30 - Reffkin discusses in the article how the term “culture fit” can be a disguise for discrimination, then proceeds to add ways he can hire who he wants with his own, made up principles. 

18:00 - KD says the problem with “leadership porn” is when it gets passed down to the masses that don’t maybe have the experience or expertise to critically look at the lessons getting passed down. 

20:30 - Don’t try to match your navy’s folks!

21:30 - Time for the CHRO move of the week! Snap (formally known as Snapchat) hired Darcy Henry as their new CHRO. She was poached from Amazon.

24:00 - If you want an entry level HR job, try recruiting! 

27:00 - Driver shortages are really crushing the ride-share companies like Uber and Lyft as reported by The Verge.  KD reports that ridesharing companies are adding their own stimulus program by way of signing bonuses for drivers.

29:00 - JLee reports that Peter Capelli says that companies need to stop complaining about the labor shortages because they “broke trust” with workers in his new article. KD acknowledges that JLee is simply reporting what he said, then mocks Capelli for blaming companies for eroding trust that either had to cut payroll or go out of business because of a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. 

31:30 - Tim says that once the stimulus ends in September, hiring is not going to get magically easier and it’ll still be hard to hire hourly workers.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Jun 06, 2021
64 - Apple Fires New HIre Based on Employee Petition, Cursing in the Workplace
35:04

On episode 64 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Apple's firing of a new employee based on an employee petition.  Also: Cursing in the workplace.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - The whole gang's back together again!

3:30 - KD is on the recruiting trail for recruiters! He’s learned a lot about the current market and he says the biggest thing he’s learned is that a lot of recruiters viable recruiting jobs aren't really that into the world of recruiting.  Many don't work to create their own professional network, which means they're just farmers, relying on direct applies.

6:00 - Tim thinks that there isn’t that big of a difference between a recruiter with some experience and a recruiter with a ton of experience that may be getting paid a ton more. 

8:20 - When is it okay to swear at work? Shoutout to friend of the pod, Suzanne Lucas for writing this piece for Inc about when is it acceptable to drop some f-bombs in the workplace. 

10:00 - BTS: KD wouldn’t run Tim’s episode of Best Hire Ever because he swore too much. 

12:30 - JLee shares that when Marriott was vetting Tim to come speak, one of the lawyers said that Tim had to watch his cursing. 

13:30 - Back in the day, Tim auditioned to do a “kitchen nightmares” type show but for fixing businesses. The feedback he got was that he needed to curse more. 

18:00 - Next topic: Apple terminated Antonio Garcia Martinez, author of Chaos Monkeys, a very successful book. He was fired from a paragraph in his book that some Apple employees found to be misogynist. 

22:00 - Tim asks the question “Do platforms like Slack and Teams give people an opportunity to speak online in ways that they wouldn’t speak in person?”. 

26:00 - KD thinks that the burden has never been lower and is easy to pile on. KD has read the book and talk about the fact that the book is written in a form of persona by the author. Also, Apple hired AGM even though he wrote a tell all book on Facebook, which is interesting.

29:00 - KD says that Apple will likely settle with the author for $10-15 million, based on the fact they knew about the book, had talked to references about the book and AGM is now unemployable in tech based on Apple's actions.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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May 31, 2021
63 - Motherhood On The Resume (MOTR)
33:42

On episode 63 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Motherhood On The Resume (MOTR), time off from working, and how being a parent raises your levels of empathy. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - JLee was out last week because she was vacationing in a tiny house! She wasn’t the biggest fan of it…

4:00 - Have you ever seen anyone put being a parent as an experience on a resume? Tim has seen it a few times for people coming back to work after taking an extended break away to raise a family.

5:30 - There is a new movement to “add mother to your resume” in hopes to destigmatize the duty of being a mother in a workplace environment. 

7:00 - Are you okay with your kids’ calling you by your first name? Tim’s son calls his wife by a nickname that is similar to her first name and she’s alright with that but Jessica thinks it would be weird if her kids’ called her by her name. 

10:00 - Tim thinks that there are going to be lovers and haters regardless if you make a decision like putting “parenthood” on your resume. He says go do it if you want!

14:00 - MOTR: Motherhood On The Resume! Check it out here!

15:00 - JLee came across a viral LinkedIn post about getting asked ‘what you have been doing to occupy your time’ after being laid off. 

16:45 - Tim thinks that it’s a valid question to be asked from a TA perspective because you never know what could be going on in that person’s life, even if it’s in the middle of a recession/pandemic. 

21:00 - JLee asks Tim what’s the longest gap where you’re feeling extra weary. He says he only gives executive employees 12 months of a break on their resume before he gets curious.

24:00 - JLee mentions that empathy training for recruiters and TA pros could be really helpful in order to get honest answers from candidates. 

28:00 - JLee and Tim both note how parenthood has made them more empathetic in job interviews and recruiting settings. 

32:00 - Thanks to JLee and Tim for shouting out my (hi, this is Cam!) first BuzzFeed article. You can check it out here!

May 25, 2021
62 - Should We Expect Employee Loyalty?
30:10

On episode 62 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss the concept of employee loyalty, whether employers should expect it, the 2-way nature of the concept and how to grow employee loyalty at your company.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - No JLee today because she’s out on vacation (at least we think).

4:00 - Tim, KD, and JLee always volunteered to coach or lead their kids’ groups because they wanted the job done right. Any other fellow HR pros like that for their kids?

7:20 - First topic of the day: employee loyalty. Many employers feel that employee loyalty is dead but on the flip side, many employees feel that their employers are not loyal to them. Tim doesn’t think that people just showing up to a job is loyalty. 

9:00 - Tim talks about one of his employees (shoutout to Lori) that has been at his company for as long as he can remember and shows extreme loyalty to him and the business. 

12:00 - Something that Tim thinks shows employee loyalty and something he sees in Lori is her protectiveness over the company. She’s the first to point out someone’s bad behavior, but not in a narc way. 

14:40 - KD thinks that a quality manager is essential for any employee loyalty to exist. 

17:00 - KD asks Tim “does a loyal employee ever become a part of layoffs?”. Tim says absolutely not. 

20:30 - Tim thinks that only about 10% of employees are truly loyal, but companies with great cultures can go up to 50% of employees that are loyal. 

22:00 - KD says that if you can poach someone for little to no salary increase, that means they’re running from a burning ship. 

25:30 - Tim’s TedTalk conclusion: the breakdown of employee loyalty rests out business environment and performance.

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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May 15, 2021
61 - Should We Force Vaccinations in the Workplace?
39:10

On episode 61 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Clubhouse, how do you get people to get the COVID vaccine, and what remote vs. hybrid work will look like. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:45 - Are you on Clubhouse? JLee recently deleted the app from her phone. Tim really wasn’t a fan of the platform either. 

5:40 - Tim notes that Clubhouse is good for these “shop talks” that you would be having at a conference or other places in person in the pre-pandemic world. 

9:00 - Next topic: COVID vaccinations. JLee asks how much we should be encouraging it in the workplace. KD says we should absolutely be encouraging it to get to a post-pandemic world. 

12:30 - JLee asks “who should be the voice of encouraging vaccines at your company?”. Should it be the CEO or someone who maybe is lower down the corporate ladder?

15:00 - Tim mentions a corporate tax rebate that can be given so workers have PTO to go and get the COVID vaccine. 

18:30 - JLee gives Tim a great marketing strategy to get people to get vaccinated. She said to take the “we can hug again if you get vaccinated” angle!

22:00 - Is hybrid work the same as virtual work? JLee does not think so and she worries this is going to be a cluster. 

25:00 - KD mentions how everyone he has talked to has said that the commute is a huge concern for people going back to work. Tim says his commute has gotten significantly easier and he doesn’t think it will ever get bad again. 

29:30 - KD thinks the next big thing for “informal meeting time” is a phone call, not a Zoom call so people don’t feel the pressure to prepare themselves for the call.

34:30 - JLee is a beef jerky eater and she’s found that many women do not snack on that. She asks KD and Tim if their wives snack on beef jerky and they both do not. Tim and KD are fans though!

36:40 - JLee is a fan of Two Chicks beef jerky (a woman owned brand!). 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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May 10, 2021
60 - Unspoken Career Rules
35:25

On episode 60 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss vacations in St. George, UT, the crew’s favorite career rules, and an update on hourly hiring in the USA. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:30 - KD recently visited Tim in Utah. During their time there, they found out that KD might have a fear of heights. 

5:00 - Tim’s wife (and son) are obsessed with the soda shops that are big all over Utah, especially Swig. All they serve at the small shops are soda with a million different combinations and cookies. KD doesn’t understand the hype.

9:00 - Tim and KD learned they vacation well together!

12:30 -  Since it’s graduation time, the crew shares their favorite “career rules”. Tim’s favorites are “don’t leave a job until you have a job” and “the 1 year rule” for career hoppers. 

13:45 - JLee’s career rule involves not giving a large window between the job offer and start date. 

17:00 - KD thinks that a 3-week buffer between job offer and start date is perfect. Tim thinks maybe 4 would be better. 

18:00 - KD’s rule is “the most important thingis to take care of is your boss”.

21:20 - JLee has recently come around on Tim’s “12 month at a job” rule. She recently read something that has said that maybe these employees are just in high demand and they’re not really a job hopper.

24:30 - Tim asks JLee how many one year stints in a row is too many. She thinks more than 2 of them in succession is a little worrisome. 

25:40 - TA leaders are talking a lot about how hard it is right now to hire hourly workers. JLee says this is a very hot topic at Marriott.

30:00 - KD notes that hourly hiring even in more white collar spaces is difficult. Companies will need to pull out all the stops to keep their employees around. 

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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May 02, 2021
59 - Amazon's PIP Plan is Branded! Meet Focus and Pivot
34:54

On episode 59 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss the fact that Amazon AWS has branded performance improvement plan programs called "FOCUS" and "PIVOT".  They alternate between being impressed horrified and entertained by this branding.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS - 

3:30 - Gary V recently did a post about the impending doom of meetings in a hybrid world and KD wrote about it on the HR Capitalist. Tim doesn’t care if people want to be remote for the team meeting but he’s going to be there in person. 

6:15 - JLee thinks there will be some proximity bias in meetings to those who are actually there at the meeting. 

7:00 - Congrats to the newest Girl Scout troop leader on the pod, Jessica Lee!

9:30 - KD thinks that teams will have to choose to do either all zoom or all in person (with people dialing in and being second class citizens), or the manager/facilitator of the meeting is going to have to be really, really good to manage it.

12:45 - Next topic: Amazon. KD wrote another post, this time about the Amazon union issues. KD brings up Jeff Bezos’ shareholder letter. 

13:30 - Bezos has a mentality that every employee should start the job like it’s “day 1”. Tim is a big fan of the mentality. 

15:45 - JLee points out that Bezos says he needs to create a “better vision” for his employees. 

18:30 - KD pulls out one more thing he likes from Bezos’ letter. The message is consistent with the “day one” mentality and talks to “not being typical”. 

21:00 - Tim’s son’s friend works at Amazon in supply chain. This friend was led to believe when he was interviewing that he would be working at the Amazon plant in Detroit but he found out after accepting the offer that the job was in Gary, IN. 

22:30 - A leaked Amazon AWS memo shows program details related to performance improvement plans. KD breaks down the branding programs, called "Focus" and "Pivot", as reported in Business Insider

26:40 - JLee says that getting rid of 6% of employees is nothing and people are a little sensitive about 6%. 

29:00 - The crew can’t stop making jokes about the different career help programs at Amazon ‘Pivot’ & ‘Focus’.

---------------Show Notes

Bezos Final Shareholder Letter

Meet Focus and Pivot, Amazon AWS Branded PIP Programs

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Apr 25, 2021
58 - When HR Gets Harassed!
42:24

On episode 58 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss what happens when HR pros get harassed in the workplace. JLee shares her story of being harassed at work as an HR pro, the process that followed and then discusses the situation and process with KD and Tim.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - Tim got his first COVID vaccine. He’s the first of the crew to get it! He got it at an old Sear’s!

5:00 - First topic of the day: JLee shares her story about being sexually harassed at work. 

12:30 - Tim asks JLee what percentage of women have experienced harassment in the workplace. She says well over 50%. 

15:00 - KD asks JLee what happened after she reported the harassment. JLee asked HR not to do anything about it and she confronted the harasser herself. 

19:40 - JLee says that she felt like she needed to handle it herself because she was a strong female leader. She also notes that she didn’t have confidence in the HR employees to handle it effectively. 

21:50 - Tim asks JLee if she thinks what this person did was a fireable offense. She says that from her HR perspective, it seems like this employee shouldn’t be working there because of the repeated offenses. 

23:00 - KD says that he misses employee investigations. JLee doesn’t miss them and Tim doesn't miss the lose-lose investigations. 

26:30 - JLee says that her boss at the time was very protective of her and she worried that the boss was going to do something if she didn’t handle it herself. 

30:20 - KD asks JLee if she thinks other global cultures have caught up with workplace behavior and treatment. She thinks that some pockets of the world are more progressive than others but overall, they have not caught up. 

33:00 - Tim mentions how as a society, we’ve started the practice of guilty companies into doing the right thing. He mentions the example of disparities in the NCAA March Madness tournament with the men’s teams and women’s teams. 

40:00 - JLee remembers that she has all of the email correspondences of her dealings with her sexual harrassment. . She’s an A+ HR employee!

Apr 11, 2021
57 - Amazon Employee Monitoring + That Unemployment Rate Feels High
32:25

On episode 57 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss hiring for government clearance positions, Amazon monitoring employees (drivers this time around) and how the unemployment rate of 6% feels high based on what they are feeling from a recruiting perspective.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

4:00 - JLee says that she feels like a yuppie with her Peloton and her (soon to hers) electric vehicle. 

5:00 - Everyone’s favorite cult, Amazon, is discussed in a new Business Insider article about their AI-equipped delivery vehicles. Delivery workers for Amazon are claiming this a privacy issue. JLee thinks there is no such thing as privacy in the world that we live in. 

8:00 - KD thinks this is more of a jobs economy issue. It falls under the issue of job quality and automation of jobs. 

12:00 - JLee thinks there’s a difference between surveillance and capturing data. She doesn’t think that the AI in the delivery trucks are surveillance and they’re using it more from a data perspective. 

15:15 - KD thinks the more commodity driven a job is, the more you’re likely to be monitored. 

18:45 - Tim asks JLee if Marriot is seeing a huge increase in hiring. She says not yet but they’re anticipating it coming in pretty soon. They’re expecting revenge travel to be a major thing. 

22:45 - Tim says that certain industries still are struggling to find qualified candidates and the overall employment rate is elevated. He’s heard from enterprise leaders that recruiters are having a crazy amount of recs open. 

26:00 - Tim says that Oracle and Workday launched big internal mobility tech and they found that employees are wanting to stay at the same company. Tim thinks leaders need to career path their employees or they’re going to get poached. 

30:45 - KD thinks that recruiters need to be aware of where the marketplace is at and be able to communicate that effectively to execs. 

31:45 - We had a business school lesson today on HR Famous!

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Apr 04, 2021
56 - Zoom Free Fridays, White House Staffers Fired for Pot Smoking
34:14

On episode 56 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss Gen-X references, Zoom free Fridays, and White House staffers getting fired for marijuana use. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:30 - Do you get upset when your Millenial and Gen-Z references don’t get your Gen-X references? 

7:00 - First topic of the pod: Citi Group CEO has called for Zoom Free Fridays and a new bank holiday due to pandemic fatigue. JLee says she’d rather have Zoom calls instead of regular conference calls.

10:00 - KD says that Friday is not the best day to do Zoom free because Friday is already light on meetings. KD wants Zoom Free Thursday. What day do you think is best?

13:40 - When Tim thinks no meeting Fridays, he thinks “I’m going on vacation early” Fridays. 

16:30 - A team in JLee’s office has a policy where if they do a traditional conference call, everyone on the team has to be doing something active during that call in order to promote wellness. 

17:45 - Citi is doing a new holiday called ‘Citi Reset Day’. KD thinks that the new CEO is trying to win the approval of the bank’s employees

19:30 - Next topic: a few White House staffers were fired due to their usage of marijuana. Tim thinks it’s a little ridiculous for the White House to have a never done drugs policy for employees. 

24:00  -  JLee thinks it’s impractical from a hiring perspective to expect all of your employees to not have a history with marijuana, especially when it’s legal in many places in the US now. 

26:00 - KD thinks it's OK for people serving in the White House not to have backgrounds or positive tests with pot, but that it was sloppy on the Biden administration for not being completely transparent and upfront with their employees.

29:00 - KD’s son wants to work for a defense contractor and he’s been told not to go abroad to get that security clearance. So he won’t go!

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Mar 29, 2021
55 - Can Being Vulnerable at Work Hurt Your Leadership Career?
33:52

On episode 55 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss big sisters, vulnerability in the workplace, and what the best question is to ask someone if you're looking for negative information on a candidate.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

4:00 - JLee has 2 kids: an older daughter and younger son. JLee’s daughter has gotta set a good example for her brother!

5:00 - KD asks Tim what’s the worst injury his big sister inflicted on him. He tells a story about how she almost burnt the house down!

7:30 - Next topic: vulnerability in the workplace! An article about Brene Brown’s stance on vulnerability came out in Inc. 

11:00 - Tim thinks you have to draw the line when an employee comes to a manager and says they don’t think a person can fulfill their duties. 

14:40 - KD thinks some people will use certain talk points and be more vulnerable than they actually should be. 

16:30 - JLee likes Brene Brown’s points on vulnerability guard rails and how there is a need for boundaries in this regard. 

18:00 - What are some things that cross the boundaries of workplace vulnerability? JLee thinks it’s best to be honest about what’s going on especially while working from home. 

21:55 - “In hard times you can’t ignore hard times.” - Tim

24:00 - Tim mentions that his wife knows he’s off before he knows he’s off. He asks the crew if it’s the same with their spouses

27:00 - How do we best extract negative information from candidates? KD asks JLee what the best question to net negative info when interviewing candidates.

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Mar 20, 2021
54 - Chicken Sandwich Wars, Harry/Meghan Interview
40:15

On episode 54 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss the chicken sandwich wars, 2021 compensation trends, and Meghan Markle calling the Royal Family’s HR department. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:30 - Is the Ford Pinto making a comeback? 

5:30 - Who has been keeping up with the chicken sandwich wars? McDonald’s has entered the race against Chick-fil-A and Popeye’s to see who has the best fried chicken sandwich. Who do you think is going to win the war?

8:30 - JLee wants to enter Wendy’s Spicy Chicken Sandwich into the race for best fast food chicken sandwich. Tim thinks it’s a solid entry. 

11:30 - KD asked JLee when was the last time that she taught her kids a life lesson? She’s just trying to teach her young children to put their dirty clothes in the hamper. 

15:20 - Next topic of the pod: compensation. An article came out recently about the trends of compensation and pay in 2021 and what employees think will happen. 

17:00 - JLee thinks that those companies who haven’t made a statement about geographic locations and compensation leave it open for them to call all employees back to the office eventually. She thinks that WFH is not really here to stay. 

21:30 - The article reported that only 83% of respondent’s spouses know how much they make. Tim thinks that number is very low. 

26:30 - Check out the Nine Faces of HR by Kris Dunn! Get it on Amazon!

27:45 - Tim asks the crew what job Prince Harry would do best at. JLee thinks he’ll take an entrepreneurial route in the mental health space. KD thinks he’ll be a host at a mid-tier steakhouse in the burbs. Tim will hire Harry to be a recruiter because Americans love a British accent. 

30:45 - KD watched some of Netflix’s The Crown. KD thinks that the situations in The Crown and the people being portrayed are very inconsequential in the terms of history. 

32:15 - One of the big takeaways from the Meghan Markle/Prince Harry and Oprah interview is that Meghan went to the Royal Family’s HR to receive mental health help. 

36:00 - Tim recently had his 100th Peloton ride. JLee joined him for his century club ride and helped him reach his record. They ended up tying! Accidentally, his son Cameron did his 100th ride. Sorry Dad! 

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Mar 15, 2021
53 - Companies Without HR Departments
26:24

On episode 53 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss BTS, companies without HR departments, and whether the new COVID-19 bill will affect employment in the service industry. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Just JLee and Tim today! KD is out for this episode. 

3:15 - JLee and her family have become a part of the BTS Army. BTS is a K-Pop group that has taken over the world.

6:00 - Tim loves that JLee is very tied to her Korean culture and instills that pride and love in her children. He mentions an article that discusses Norwegian families raising Korean children and discusses the nature vs. nurture argument in that context. 

8:00 - Tim brings up how the article examines the racial aspect of coming into a homogenous culture and trying to succeed with all the advantages your family can give you.

10:00 - Next topic: The CEO of UK startup Octopus Energy says he has no interest in having traditional business departments like HR. His company is worth over a billion pounds. 

12:20 - Tim asks “what we do without HR”? Well, Tim discovered that this company actually does have job openings in HR/IT adjacent roles but he couldn’t find any hard HR or recruiting roles. 

14:15 - JLee thinks that he’s gotta be outsourcing things like HR to other agencies or companies.

16:15 - Tim was on vacation this past week and read the book The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz. He said he hired a recruiter after only having 9 employees for his company. 

17:30 - Tim asks JLee if the newly passed COVID-19 stimulus bill will affect people wanting to go back to work in the service industry. JLee says she understands why people would not want to go back to working at restaurants or other service type places because a lot of the draws of working there are now gone.

19:00 - JLee shares a story about going to lunch at a restaurant only the second time in the past year recently and how she felt very awkward there and didn’t know what to do while in the restaurant. 

23:00 - Tim recently went to a dinner and a movie for his birthday and he noticed that the business was understaffed. He wonders when people will start to return to the mentality of getting frustrated by long waits and lines. 

25:20 - What’s there not to like about Koreans? Here is Time Entertainer of the Year BTS

 

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Mar 08, 2021
52 - HR Famous 1-Year Anniversary - What Did We Learn?
48:15

On episode 52 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss the one year anniversary of the podcast! Get a behind the scenes look at the first year of HR Famous. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - Who do you think of when you think of ‘veteran hire’?  The gang has automatic comparisons to movies.

6:00 - It’s our one year anniversary! Episode 52 marks a year of HR Famous. We can’t believe it!

8:00 - What percentage of the podcasts have you listened to? JLee has listened to them all and KD has listened to about 70% of them. 

8:40 - Time for a look behind the scenes of HR Famous. Tim says that they often have pre-podcast chats that might get them canceled…

11:30 - Tim asked the crew what they’ve learned from doing the pod. JLee says that she has to trust herself to wing it and she doesn’t always have to have a super well thought out point of view. 

13:30 - Do you listen to the podcast AND read Tim’s, KD’s, and JLee’s writing? Tim has found that there’s not as much crossover as you’d think.

17:45 - Would you believe that the only person that’s cried on the podcast is KD? Tears of joy but still tears nonetheless.

20:00 - The podcast started out with the intention of being a little bit more fun but because of when the podcast started, the topics were more serious and timely. 

21:45 - There is a lost episode! JLee describes the second or third episode where they discussed periods in the workplace. 

24:30 - Tim always thought that he was late to the podcast gang. During the pandemic, there was a massive rise in podcasts and now everyone and their brother has a podcast! 

27:00 - Shoutout to our amazing guests! We love you Dawn, Laurie, Cameron, and all our other awesome pod friends!

28:00 - JLee was KD’s first editor at Fistful of Talent and so they have a long history together. Tim and JLee have just gotten closer in the last few years. 

32:30 - KD asks JLee if she ever is drawn to certain things because she’s not getting enough feedback in her life. 

36:00 - KD asks JLee what she wishes she knew before doing the podcast with Tim and himself. She says she didn’t know she’d have so much fun and she didn’t know how much of a difference a good microphone could make. 

42:00 - JLee hopes that listeners of the podcast give some grace to the crew because a lot of the topics of the past year were really difficult and nuanced. 

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Feb 28, 2021
51 - "Head of Remote" is a New HR Job & Post-Covid Dress Codes
35:23

On episode 51 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss what will be appropriate to wear to the office in the future, Whole Foods’ company culture, and the new jobs sprung by the pandemic, including "Head of Remote." 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - The triple Timmy touch is out to play today!

4:45 - Are we going to expect our employees post-pandemic to return to formal workwear? Tim thinks that more formal dress will come back naturally. 

8:30 - Tim thinks that his outfits are all about the shoes. He’s also anti-tights in the office for all people.

11:00 - KD thinks that what is office appropriate also depends on what people can afford. Oftentimes we approve of the higher end leisurewear but not the cheaper versions of the same product. 

13:15 - Whole Foods was brought into court recently for reprimanding employees that wore face masks with Black Lives Matter logos on them. 

14:30 - Tim thinks that Whole Foods will come to the conclusion that they need to give everyone the same face mask for uniformity. He sees this as a customer service issue since customers need to be able to quickly and easily identify employees in the store.

17:30 - JLee brings up how Whole Foods has always had a strong people-centric culture and she thinks this is a shift for them as a culture perspective. The company has grown and is now a part of Amazon and they’re not as small as they once were. 

19:30 - KD mentions that the Whole Foods near him in Birmingham is close to the Amazon distribution center that is currently voting on if they want to bring in a union. 

22:00 - Do you feel guilty using Amazon’s one day shipping? KD feels some guilt but JLee doesn’t feel any. 

23:45 - Does your family have a shared Amazon Prime account? Tim’s family shares an Amazon account and he finds himself accidentally purchasing stuff that his kids put in the cart.

27:00 - JLee recently saw a job title that read “Head of Remote”. She asks Tim and KD what they think the responsibilities of this job are. 

30:15 - KD thinks this position sounds like a Senior Director of HR. The crew thinks it probably reports up to a CHRO. 

31:30 - KD tells the tale of the flavored water machine in his office that arrived right before the pandemic hit. They machine displays the environmental impact and sadly they haven’t saved many trees since no one has been using it!

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Feb 21, 2021
50 - Netflix Inclusion Report, Hirevue Drops Facial Recognition
36:25

On episode 50 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss  Netflix’s 2021 inclusion report, facial recognition software in viewing interviewing, and the scam psychic that’s terrorizing JLee’s neighborhood! 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:20 - Do you know where the DMV area is? That’s where JLee says she is from when asked.

3:00. - Jlee has a scam psychic in her neighborhood and everyone is activating their Ring doorbell to find out who it is. Discussion of psychics naturally follows.

6:30 - KD asks Tim how frustrated he gets when people in his inner circle don’t share his passion for his favorite streaming shows/movies. The gang agrees there should be codes where you can force someone to watch a show a limited number of times per year.

10:00 - Netflix released their first ever inclusion report in mid-January. KD addresses it as a master stroke in communication and controlling the narrative in HR Comms. They announced that women make up half of their workforce, even in leadership and executive roles. 

12:00 - JLee thinks Netflix is doing good work in the DEI space. She cites a webinar they hosted about being black in HR and how it felt authentic and not too sales-y. 

14:30 - Tim says that demographic data are very important in controlling the narrative they want to spin. 

18:20 - Tim poses the question “do we know that Netflix is good for women”? He doesn’t think they are a tech company so the numbers could be low for the entertainment/media industry. 

21:00 - KD brings up how they led with their best numbers when discussing their numbers on race and ethnicity that came later in the report.  He allows notes that the data they did provide in charts is hard to follow compared with the numerical data in tabs that companies like Google provided.

26:00 - KD asks JLee how she feels about the accuracy of facial recognition. She gets annoyed when her phone doesn’t recognize her face in the morning sometimes. 

27:30 - HireVue just discontinued facial recognition as a sorting feature in video interviewing. They felt that this feature could help give a better pool of candidates than without but it started to raise some issues - namely the world crushing people for features like this without apology.

31:00 - Tim thinks the technology worked too well and that scared away many companies. There were just some concerns that the facial recognition software would raise some physical attribute related issues. KD wonders aloud how well the tech actually worked, and a discussion of whether facial tics and frowns was a knockout feature or note ensues.

34:00 - Did you love the button at the bottom of old iPhone models? Tim misses his button on his newer iPhone.

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Feb 14, 2021
49 - Let's Argue About Whether Reference Checks Matter!
35:20

On episode 49 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss the importance of reference checks and a $15 minimum wage.

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2:00 - Tim recently discovered that some millennial marketers didn’t know who Gary V was. Do the millennials and Gen-Z of your life know Gary V?

5:45 - Tim posted a blog post last week titled “You’re an Idiot If You Still Check References!” that got a lot of comments. He thinks it’s a huge waste of time because the references won’t say anything negative about the candidate (typically). 

8:45 - JLee’s issue with reference checks is that they’re just not being done well and with the care and effort they need.

10:00 - KD agrees with JLee and thinks that reference checkers need to be set up to find negative information from the references. Otherwise, they’re not doing their job.

12:00 - Tim wants to ask the question to hiring managers ``when was the last time you rescind an offer based off of a bad reference check?” He says that it never happens

15:00 - KD thinks that the issue isn’t as big as Tim is making it. He thinks the issue isn’t the practice but how the practice is being done. 

17:00 - JLee thinks it’s important that the right person is asking the questions in a reference check instead of someone that isn’t trained in the practice. 

20:00 - Tim still thinks that no one is taking the time to actually do this the right way. He thinks that if we’re not going to do it right, why do it at all.

22:30 - It’s Tim vs. KD/JLee in this fight!  KD asks Tim if he makes calls to check out someone before hiring them. Tim avoids the question.

23:00 - Next topic of the episode: President Biden put an executive order in place to pave the way to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

24:45 - KD thinks that they most are fans of a living wage but that means different amounts in different regions of the country. 

26:00 - Tim thinks this isn’t a political issue but it’s been co-opted as a political issue because of the research that has come out on both sides of an issue. 

28:30 - KD notes that most companies with primarily professional class workforces don’t have an issue with a $15 minimum wage. He also notes that people aren’t thinking about compression within the job market as much as they need to when being OK with a big increase in the minimum wage.

31:45 - JLee mentions her experience working at McDonald’s and how some older people worked there to support families but she was only doing it as a part time gig in high school. 

Feb 07, 2021
48 - Zoom Bathroom Calls and Fake Commutes
38:03

On episode 48 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss having to go to the bathroom during a video call, fake commute routines, and what to do for a one year WFH anniversary!

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:20 - JLee tells the crew that her sister was born in MI, where Tim lives.  She can’t remember where in the state she was born so we’re going to need an update on that!

5:45 - JLee brings up the Air Force Ones appearance at the Inauguration a few weeks ago. Tim says that those shoes went for $5,000 on StockX!

6:30 - First topic of the episode: you’re on a Zoom call and you have to go to the bathroom. What are you supposed to do? 

7:30 - KD thinks best practices are having all cameras on but that complicates the bathroom issue.

10:00 - JLee sometimes gets ready for the day in the bathroom while on a video call. Can you hear the echo from people that get ready in the bathroom?

12:00 - Are you experiencing Zoom fatigue? Tim thinks it’s BS because there are just as many calls as before but some were not video. KD thinks that the number of video calls has declined since the earlier days of the pandemic. 

13:30 - JLee mentions the rise of “fake commutes”. She misses the transition she used to get from being a parent to work life throughout the morning. 

16:00 - KD spends his “commute” time sleeping in instead of trying to recreate his work commute.

19:00 - Second topic: Silkroad Technology conducted a survey among office workers and executives and found ⅖ office workers plan to resign because of how their companies handled the pandemic.

22:00 - KD thinks Silkroad is the Dark Web. Tim and JLee don’t know how to access the Dark Web and we want help! Tim and JLee are interested ;)

23:00 - KD recommends reading the book American Kingpin by Nick Bilton about the creation of the Dark Web!

24:45 - KD and Tim are a little confused by the 40% of people who want to quit their jobs because they can’t think of that many companies that have really fumbled a COVID response.

28:00 - JLee thinks there needs to be some humility and grace for those trying to handle ‘unprecedented’ times.

31:00 - It’s coming up soon that we’ve been working virtually for a year. An employee on JLee’s team mentioned celebrating the one year anniversary and maybe getting a WFH gift for their teammates. JLee asked Tim and KD what ideas they have for a WFH gift.

36:00 - JLee’s brother-in-law went through a Gary V rabbit hole and found that he is bringing value to old sports cards. 

Feb 01, 2021
47 - Fake PTO Balances + Candidate Traits You Can't Measure
33:04

On episode 47 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Peloton, the top qualities people are looking for in a candidate, and PTO bank build ups during the COVID-era. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - JLee is doing fantastic on this episode because Sex in the City is getting a reboot!

2:45 - JLee’s husband ordered balloons to celebrate her 100th Peloton ride and she told him the wrong day! It was only her 100th workout (not ride). 

3:30 - Tim has discovered that people are gaming their ride numbers on Peloton by doing more short rides instead of the longer rides. 

4:20 - First topic: Tim got an email from a PR firm advertising the “Top 10 most important qualities in a candidate”. This is a recent study from 2021. What do you think the top quality is?

5:30 - KD’s top quality he looks for is “kicking a**”. What’s the top quality you look for?

7:30 - JLee looks for good listeners as one of her top candidates in a new hire. She thinks one BS thing from the list is ‘sincerity’. She doesn’t really understand what it means. 

9:00 - #gsd.  Look it up.

9:45 - Gary V messaged JLee for mentioning him on the show. We’re ready for you to come on the pod Gary!

12:00 - Tim was on a CHRO digital forum recently and heard discussion from a panelist that a company found their PTO banks were rising astronomically. This not only became a people management issue but a financial issue for the company. Tim thinks that this is BS because people are just taking time off because of increased flexibility instead of taking PTO.

15:00 - JLee says that she’s saving her PTO for when she can take a real vacation and travel again. 

16:00 - KD thinks that the concern is BS and agrees with Tim. He thinks a major reason for this is the huge increase in downtime in 2020. 

18:00 - There is a concern that once the world has returned to some normalcy, that everyone will take their PTO and there will be no one working. JLee discusses some strategies that could be used to combat this issue, like cashing out PTO days. 

21:30 - Also on the CHRO digital forum, Tim learned that companies are saying they need to take and send data to hiring managers each month rather than quarterly or yearly. 

23:20 - Another finding from the forum is a PTO charity bank, where people can donate their PTO to help hourly workers who do not qualify. 

29:00 - Last topic: favorite TV/movie the crew has watched recently. JLee loved Bridgerton and KD hasn’t really been watching too much.

Jan 25, 2021
46 - Marrying Up, How HR Leaders Use Conduct Policies in Crazy Times
30:52

On episode 46 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss the art and concept of marrying up, use John Krasinksi and Emily Blunt as their case study, then pivot to something more serious and talk about the use of Professional Conduct Policies by HR Leaders in crazy times.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - Two topics on the pod today (but KD is more excited about one than the other!)

3:00 - First topic of the week: marrying up! KD was wondering in the text channel with JLee and Tim if actor John Krasinksi of The Office fame married up when he married actress Emily Blunt (The Devil Wears Prada, Mary Poppins Returns, The Girl on the Train).  It rose the level of a pod topic, so they discuss the art of marrying up across partners.

4:30 - JLee thinks Krasinksi definitely married up. She also thinks that her own husband married up but she also thinks she married up because of her low credit score!

5:45 - KD asks JLee to numerically rate Blunt and Krasinski. She thinks Blunt is around an 8.5 and Krasninski is in the 6.5-7 range. He’s not hot enough for JLee!

8:00 - Tim’s initial reaction is that every man marries up, but he realizes there may be some gold diggers out there that will marry down for money. 

9:30 - KD asks JLee and Tim to now rate Krasinski and Jenna Fischer’s characters from The Office. They both think it’s a pretty even match. 

10:00 - First rule of a happy (heterosexual) marriage: the man has to say he married up. 

11:30 - KD asks JLee if a woman could ever say she married down. She says no, but you can say that your spouse married up. 

14:00 - Check out the Best Hire Ever episode featuring JLee to hear about her familial experience! 

16:00 - Next topic of the day: KD and Tim were both quoted in the HR Executive about how to handle employees that partake in outside events that polarize them to some teammates at their company.

18:00 - Tim thinks in order to create a workforce that has diversity of thought, you have to allow your employees to partake in events that express that thought. However, if it crosses the line into illegal activity, that’s when action must be taken. 

21:00 - JLee ponders if it matters what role a person holds in a company when it comes to events like the insurrection on the Capitol. 

22:00 - JLee brings up the term ‘doxing’ which refers to outing someone for something they did on social media. She thinks this new practice brings some complexity to this issue.

24:00 - KD thinks that companies and HR leaders must have a strong professional conduct policy to give them the flexibility they need in all scenarios. 

26:15 - Business Insider released an article of their premium service about a Github Jewish employee that warned their co-workers in the company messaging channels about Nazis being out in the DC metro area. A few days later, the employee was terminated.  While that may seem extreme to some, the team discusses the fact that we don't know the whole situation, and by the way - that's where a great HR leader comes in - to display judgement.

Jan 17, 2021
45 - Laurie Ruettimann and Betting On You
36:25

In episode 45 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee are joined by special guest Laurie Ruettimann to discuss her new book (out 1/12/21, click to view) called Betting On You.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:00 - Tim opens up the episode with a discussion about pronouns prompted by this tweet. JLee mentions that they/them can feel like the only option for some people and so she understands why some people would want pronouns that are unique to someone. 

5:30 - Tim welcomes on today’s guest, Laurie Ruettimann! She is a longtime friend of the pod and we are happy to have her on today’s episode!

7:45 - Laurie has a new book coming out soon called Betting On You. She says that she wrote the book because she felt stagnant in her HR roles and wanted to create the book that she would have wanted in this phase of her life. 

9:30 - Laurie mentions the phenomenon that HR employees tend to forget their employees too and they need to trust themselves and the issues that they see.

11:00 - JLee asks Laurie what she thinks makes her book stand out from others. She says that she just wants to tell stories and her experience. She doesn’t claim to be an expert but she wants to relay messages she’s learned from her work experiences. 

12:00 - The crew takes a quick sidebar to talk about their favorite Peloton instructors (Team Dennis or Team Cody?).

14:00 - Laurie mentions that many different movements of this past year have caused a lot of self-reflection about our lives and our morals and how this themes of her book follow along with this journey.

17:30 - Tim asks JLee if she thinks there will be a reckoning for more traditional white collar environments post-pandemic. She thinks that the traditional way cannot keep going on in the way that it has for a long time. 

22:00 - JLee thinks that people forget how much choice they have. Not only do they choose to work somewhere but they choose to go into work everyday. Laurie thinks that embracing that perspective as an HR professional can change how systems work. 

24:20 - Laurie brings up the fact that FBI agents are taught to detach themselves from their work and that they have an identity outside of your job. 

26:50 - Tim asks Laurie about things they can do to combat burnout. She says one of her favorites is that your personal life should go on your professional calendar first. She thinks so many of us are victims to the Outlook calendar. 

29:30 - Tim heard a story about how your life is juggling 5 balls. The ball for your job is rubber but the other 4 are glass. You can rebound from dropping the job ball but the glass balls will cause real damage. 

32:00 - Laurie’s new book is available for pre-order at bettingonyoubook.com and available for purchase on January 12! Also check out her podcast, Punk Rock HR! Thank you to Laurie for joining us for this episode! 

Order the book here!

Jan 10, 2021
44 - Google Announces Return to Office, JLee Gets Invite from Gary V
33:52

In episode 44 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together in the new year to discuss Gary V requesting to connect with Jessica on LinkedIn, the CHRO move of the week, and Google calling their employees back into the office (eventually). 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - Happy New Year! Tim is thinking (and hoping) that 2021 is going to be a great year. JLee is looking forward to drive-through vaccinations. 

2:45 - JLee got a LinkedIn request from Gary Vaynerchuk. Tim is extremely jealous (he’s a super fan) and JLee is very confused on how she got this. 

6:00 - The gang wonders aloud how many people send invites out on Gary V's behalf. Tim thinks that JLee needs to leverage her brand and her title to get Gary V on the phone in 2021. 

9:00 - Time for the CHRO move of the week! UPS announced a new CHRO Darrell Ford after their old CHRO (Charlene Thomas moved to a new role at the company). 

10:30 - KD thinks Thomas got a demotion. 

12:30 - Tim thinks that Thomas was potentially underperforming so they brought in a new one to try out in the head HR position. 

15:30 - Tim also wonders that they are potentially setting up Charlene Thomas to take over a COO or a CEO role eventually at UPS. 

17:20 - In KD’s youth, the UPS driver was a person of note in his life. KD thinks it’s a transactional job now because there are so many drivers and people aren’t making a lifetime career out of being a driver.

21:00 - JLee thinks that KD would be a shorts only UPS type of driver. No brown pants in sight!

22:30 - Next topic of the day: Google’s CEO announced that they will continue being remote but they will be returning back to the offices eventually and will not be remote forever. The announcement said that employees should eventually return to a place that is in a commutable distance from their office. 

25:00 - KD thinks this is the revert back from the earlier pandemic announcements of full time, forever remote transitions.

30:45 - KD also thinks that Google is trying to prevent a mass exodus from California to places like Texas, as companies like Tesla are moving there. 

32:00 - JLee is coming up on her 100th Peloton ride and she found out that her husband ordered 100 balloons on their shared Amazon account to celebrate.

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Jan 03, 2021
43 - Calling Yourself Dr in the Workplace, Best Work Christmas Stories
33:41

In episode 43 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Christmas shopping, the term ‘Dr.’ in corporate America, and HR Christmas horror stories.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

Show Highlights:

2:00 - Have you finished your Christmas shopping yet? The Lee and Sackett family are done with their completely online Christmas shopping and KD had to ask his kids to get gifts for Mrs. Dunn.

4:30 - For those of you lucky enough to get the Sackett family Christmas card/letter, Mrs. Sackett is a big fan of throw pillows (as is Mrs. Dunn). 

5:45 - First topic of the day: use of the term ‘doctor’. On December 11, the Wall Street Journal dropped an opinion article being critical of soon-to-be First Lady Dr. Jill Biden’s usage of the term. 

7:30 - KD has always been skeptical of the use of “Dr.” in corporate America, away from education. Tim has understood the opinion of the article from a recruiter/corporate standpoint as well. However, he understands it applies differently in other industries/academia where it may be more relevant or acceptable.

10:00 - Tim reached out to seven different people he knows who have a doctorate, including MDs, EDDs, and PhDs. Six out of the seven of these people said that they harp on each other about the merit of their degree behind closed doors, but in a professional setting, they’d be expected to be called Dr. 

13:00 - JLee is married to a PharmD and in writing, her husband includes his doctorate title. JLee thinks that in writing, being called ‘Dr.’ is justified and totally acceptable but it may be weird to refer to someone in person as ‘Dr’.  KD clarifies that JLee's husband is including letters behind his name, not the Dr. title in front, which JLee confirms.

16:00 - Tim thinks that if Dr. Biden and Joe Biden had switched roles, Joe wouldn’t have had an article like this written about him.

21:00 - KD asks Tim if the term ‘Dr.’ on a resume would throw him off and he said that it only bothers him if someone in an interview were to ask to be referred in that way. 

27:00 -  KD likes it when people combine ‘Dr.’ with a funny first name like his friend ‘Dr. Chuck’.

28:40 - KD asks the crew if they have any dysfunctional workplace Christmas stories. KD tells the favorite from his career about a dysfunctional boss that made him make a "this offer expires at the end of the day" to a VP-level candidate on Christmas Eve, JLee tells a story about how her first HR job required her to be the event planner and she wasn’t 21 yet so she had to plan events with alcohol without being able to drink.

30:00 - Tim had an employee’s wife complain over email to him about the company gift. 

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Dec 20, 2020
42 - Firing People for TikTok Sins, Microsoft's Work Productivity Score
25:24

In Episode 42 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends)  Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss TikTokers getting fired from their jobs at Sherwin Williams, the new Microsoft productivity score, and how much they spend on gifts for their siblings during the holidays. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

Show Highlights:

1:30 - Tim opens the pod by asking the crew what their favorite side dishes are for the holiday season. JLee is a stuffing fan, KD likes the good mashed potatoes, and Tim likes them all!

3:45 - First topic of the day: TikTok videos taking over work! Popular TikToker Tony Piloseno, who got famous for his videos of mixing paint, got fired from his job at Sherwin Williams and social media went ablaze. 

6:00 - Tim says that he knows exactly where a regional HR manager knows where this is coming from from his experience as a lower level HR leader during his career. 

7:00 - JLee doesn’t understand why there wasn’t an investigation into what was happening and what the repercussions could be for firing Piloseno. 

10:00 - KD goes through all of the calls that an HR manager might get from a Sherwin Williams manager. 

11:10 - JLee mentions how he was very passionate about his job and how she feels like there was oversight in his firing. 

13:00 - Second topic of the day: Microsoft released the Microsoft Productivity Score which allows IT and other product development managers to monitor how their products are being used. Tim raises the question “was this type of software inevitable?”

15:00 - JLee isn’t very concerned about her personal privacy because she doesn’t have anything to hide. However, she does see that there might be some value to this product.

16:30 - KD is more interested in the productivity score of their managers - a collective score for how teams are doing and the effectiveness of a manager -  instead of using it as a “gotcha” tool for individuals. 

20:00 - Any mouse movers to make it seem like you’re online? 

21:00 - Tim met with the team at Microsoft that put this together and he thinks their intentions are good but the product in bad people’s hands can be an issue. 

23:00 - Final question: what do you send on your siblings for the holidays? JLee’s family doesn’t do presents for the adults anymore. Tim’s does the same because they were over exchanging gift cards. KD just buys his siblings a book (so only $20). 

24:00 - Tim hates getting gifts but loves getting gifts especially for his younger brother.

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

 

Dec 13, 2020
41 - The $15 Minimum Wage, Reactions to passing of Tony Hsieh of Zappos
28:53

In episode 41 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss the impact of the new Florida minimum wage passed in the November election Cycle and the passing of the Zappos’ CEO Tony Hsieh and his impact on the world of company culture and HR.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:45 - The HR Famous crew opens the pod by sharing their Black Friday deals. Tim is the main shopper of the group and he bought 4 pairs of shoes, 7 pairs of pants, lots of quarter zips, socks, and Christmas gifts for his family. 

6:10 - First topic of the year: Florida passed an increase in the minimum wage to $15 (from $8.60) by the year 2026. About 60% of voters voted to pass the raising of Florida’s minimum wage. 

8:40 - Tim thinks that they had an easy job to pass this proposal because the increase is several years away. He also notes studies that show minimum wage increases reduce suicide attempts. 

10:00 - JLee thinks this opens up an interesting conversation since some people may have crossed the aisle and split their ballot to vote for the minimum wage raise. 

11:30 - Tim notes that he saw this ticket splitting in many different areas across the country between candidates and proposals or plans.

14:00 - Tim and JLee think that a raise in minimum wage will become a consumer tax instead of a job decrease. 

14:40 - KD disagrees and thinks that this may actually hurt small businesses and benefit big corporations since they have more ability to handle that increase. 

17:00 - KD also thinks that compression in wages may happen with a pay increase, and the impact of compression is something most don't think about with minimum wage increases. 

20:00 - Last topic of the day: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh passed away on November 27. He has been responsible for a lot of important HR principles that are used today. 

21:30 - Tim says his biggest takeaway from Tony Hsieh is allowing HR to test just about anything. Tim wrote this post about Tony Hsieh in 2009 and he commented.

24:00 - JLee notes the importance of Tony Hsieh as a very visible Asian-American leader. 

26:00 - KD, JLee and Tim share their favorite contributions to the HR dialog that came from Zappos. Conversations include hiring people that don't act like the norm at your company, Holacracy and paying people to leave!

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

 

Dec 06, 2020
40 - TalentNet Live Panel - Recruiter Behavior Trends in 2020
33:15

In Episode 40 of The HR Famous Podcast, Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee appear at TalentNet Live and do a panel on behavioral trends among recruiters in 2020, using the 2020 Recruiter Nation Survey from Jobvite as their source for conversation.

The gang discusses how recruiters have changed in the depths of COVID, Tim gives his rant about the use of social media by recruiters, JLee notices that female recruiters might be more balanced than males and KD wonders how soul crushing it is to be a resume writer in 2020.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

------------TalentNet Live and Jobvite

TalentNet Live

Craig Fisher

Jobvite

The 2020 Recruiter Nation Survey

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Nov 29, 2020
39 - Remote Work Burnout and Remote Onboarding
41:53

In episode 39 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends)  Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee are joined by Cameron Sackett to discuss remote work burnout, proposed remote work privilege tax, and onboarding in a work from home environment.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - KD is out this week but Tim and JLee welcome Cameron Sackett, Tim’s son and our resident Gen-Z expert, onto the pod!

3:20 - First topic of the podcast: The Wall Street Journal published an article recently about burnout due to working remotely. 

4:30 - Cam started working at BuzzFeed about 2 months ago and he mentions that while he hasn’t hit the full on burnout that many others have, his company is offering some special offerings to combat burnout like mental health days, yoga and meditation sessions, and others. 

6:30 - JLee is glad that people are trying things to combat burnout but she worries that the things people are trying aren’t the right answers. She also worries that this emphasis on mental health will dissipate once the pandemic is over. 

8:00 - Tim’s Gen-X mentality makes him think that these special perks are a setup to weed out the weak, but he does see his own employees struggling with the types of burnout mentioned in this article. 

10:00 - Next topic: Deutsche Bank recently released a study calling for a ‘privilege tax’ which takes a 5% tax from those working from home in order to support lower income essential workers who can’t work at home. 

11:45 - JLee wants the people at Deutsche Bank to look at their own company first and ask themselves if they would do this within their own corporations before putting out some plan like this.

14:00 - Most people aren’t choosing to work from home and so JLee and Tim think that the responsibility should fall on the corporations to take care of this issue instead of the workforce. 

16:40 - Time for the CHRO Move of the Week: The Washington Football Team recently hired Andre Chambers to be their new head of Human Resources. He comes from many different industries such as tech, gaming, and even grocery!

18:00 - Any Wegman’s fans out there? JLee is a big fan.

21:00 - If any pro sports teams want to hire KD or Tim to be their head of HR, they’re ready to go!

24:40 - Last topic of the podcast: onboarding in a pandemic world! Cam onboarded to his current role completely remote and he gives us some insight on what the experience was like. He mentions that while the actual onboarding process wasn’t that much different, he has had trouble getting to know his co-workers. 

27:00 - JLee asks Cam about the logistics of his onboarding experience. He had good communication from his recruiter and manager in order to have a smooth onboarding process. 

29:00 - Cam talks about the struggle he’s had about meeting and getting to know the people on his team since he’s not in person with his co-workers. Tim says that he’s heard of organizations that will force employees to make introduction videos for new hires. 

33:00 - JLee asks Cam if he heard anything about required dress code and he says that he was given no direction on what the dress code for WFH was. 

36:00 - JLee doesn’t know of a company that does onboarding really well and thinks we often do a disservice to new hires because of this. 

39:15 - Cam says that the work culture that BuzzFeed is known for BuzzFeed  doesn’t really come through in a virtual environmental and he doesn’t think he’ll know what it’s like until he starts working in the office.

 

Nov 16, 2020
38 - Does Having 2 Bosses (or CEOs) Ever Work?
38:45

In episode 38 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss whether having two bosses or two CEOs (dual leadership in major corporations) ever works, superior genetic traits and dress codes in a WFH environment.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

3:00 - Tim found an article about genetic superiority and the fact that redheads are superior (seems a little biased that Tim found this one…). Redheads feel 25% less pain and run hotter in addition to other superior traits.

6:30 - JLee brings up the genetic superiority that Koreans have such as dry earwax and a  lack of body odor when sweating. The HR Famous crew is full of genetic superiorities!

8:30 - Do you find that the redheads in your life run hot in temperature and anger?

9:20 - Next topic: Business Insider reported on the two CEOs of Netflix and dual leadership at that company. They said that this resembles a family where there are often two CEOs leading a single family. 

13:00 - Tim gives an example of his work at Applebee’s and how the CHRO and the CEO had a co-CEO like relationship where the CHRO was very beloved by employees but the CEO was running a lot behind the scenes.

16:00 - JLee thinks it might be a little ridiculous to give out the compensation packages that a CEO of a company like Netflix would get to two different people. She also doesn’t know if a two-parent analogy is the best comparison because she thinks often one parent is doing more than the other. 

20:30 - KD mentions two different places that dual leadership can go haywire. He thinks that who makes the final decision may be an issue in addition to the issue of a “i don’t know who my boss is” sentiment among employees. 

24:00 - Next topic: dress code policies for virtual working. Some HR departments are trying to reconsider what a dress code looks like in a virtual environment. 

25:30 - KD thinks that dress code violations tend to come more in the vain of over dressing rather than under dressing.

28:00 - JLee thinks the charade of putting a suit on for one call or presentation is a little bit ridiculous and not very genuine.

31:00 - Let JLee wear her ripped jeans! KD asks JLee what is actually inappropriate to wear on a video call. JLee thinks t-shirt and athleisure is 100% okay.

33:30 - Tim says that he’s gotten better about asking what is appropriate to wear for meetings instead of shooting in the dark.

Nov 01, 2020
37 - Are Mental Health Apps Better for Employees Than Human Interaction?
26:47

In episode 37 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss whether Mental Health/Wellness Technology and Apps are better for your employees than talking to a human, McDonald’s recent Travis Scott marketing success, and what TikToks are flooding their feeds. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:15 - Tim isn’t a huge McDonald’s fan but JLee is a proud alum of the company. McDonald’s has had a huge success recently due to the success of their newly launched Travis Scott and J Balvin meals. Editor note: J BALVIN (not Blavin like Tim said) was on I Like It with Cardi B among many other hits. 

4:30 - The KD crew makes their own McDonald’s packages. What would be in your McDonald’s go-to meal?

9:30 - Tim asks the crew what celebrity they think would have the biggest success as a McDonald’s meal. JLee thinks that a Kardashian would sell the best

10:00 - Next topic: Oracle released new data that showed over 80% of people believe that AI bots can support their mental health more than real humans

11:15 - JLee says that she agrees with the majority of people in this study. She says her new found hobby of meditating (using a virtual service)  that she started during quarantine has helped her mental health significantly. 

13:00 - KD is a believer always but he personally relies on exercise and running to help aid his mental health. 

14:30 - The Oracle study also found that AI has helped people at work by taking away busy work and other meaningless tasks. 

16:00 - JLee finds herself getting angrier with the bad AI than she feels happy with positive AI experiences. 

17:45 - Shoutout to the movie "Her" starring Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johannson where he falls in love with an AI bot. It’s available on Netflix!

20:30 - KD thinks the most basic addiction is going to be in the form of notifications

22:00 - Last topic of the day: weird TikTok culture! Tim and JLee are users of the platform (KD only views them when Tim texts him links). Tim gets a lot of divorced mom TikToks and lip syncing to comedian TikToks. JLee gets plant-related TikToks and roller skating TikToks.  What kind of TikToks do you get on your for you page?

Oct 26, 2020
36 - Big Tipping for Housekeepers & People of Color in Tech Report
34:44

In episode 36 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss big tips for housekeepers from NBA players leaving the bubble, the TrustRadius 2020 People of Color in Tech Report, and what shoe brand collaborations we want to see!

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:00 - How does pumpkin spice scented cleaning supplies sound to you?

3:00 - NBA player Russell Westbrook left an $8000 tip for the cleaning staff at the hotel he was staying at in the NBA bubble. JLee says the cleaning staff are the hardest people working in the hospitality industry. 

4:30 - Are you the type of person who steals things off of the cleaning staff’s cart? JLee takes some of those good hotel toiletries. 

7:30 - KD thinks these stories of high tips put downward pressure on those with average incomes who want to treat wait staff well. 

8:45 - KD brings up the hit that credit cards have left on the tips baristas may receive. Fill up those tip jars again!

9:45 - Do you like when wait staff asks if you’d like to leave a tip? Tim thinks it leaves a little too much pressure on the customer.

11:30 - TrustRadius released the 2020 People of Color in Tech Report in September. Tim shares some findings from the report including People of Color (POC) reporting that 57% of them haven’t had issues with race at work. Tim is shocked by this number and thought it would be much lower. 

13:30 - KD reminds us that we have to think about what industry this survey took place in and that the tech industry may differ greatly from other ones. 

16:15 - Tim shares a few more survey findings. He said almost equally POC and white people believe D&I initiatives are effective but executives had less faith in the initiatives. JLee hopes that there would be more faith in these initiatives among all respondents. 

19:30 - Tim compared faith in D&I initiatives to some other system in a business and he thinks the effectiveness numbers would be considered a failure in other parts of the business. 

21:00 - JLee is not surprised that many people don’t feel comfortable talking about race with HR based on her experience working in HR. 

22:00 - Tim asks KD if he thinks the cat is out of the bag and people have discovered that HR works for the company, not for the people. KD thinks the best HR employees have a balance between serving the company’s interest and the employee’s interest. 

27:00 - The report asks POC how they would prefer to be supported by their company. The #1 answer was diversity recruitment followed by a diversity task force. 

30:30 - Last topic of the day: Tim is a shoe addict. Cole Haan (one of his favorite brand) made Slack inspired shoes. Tim asks the crew what collaboration do you want to see of a shoe brand and a non-apparel brand. 

Oct 18, 2020
35 - BlackRock's New Love Policy, Simon Sinek's Trust vs. Performance Quadrant
30:36

In episode 35 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss their favorite Halloween candy, dig into BlackRock’s recent policy change that mandates employee report all romantic relationships, including those with all company partners and vendors, and wrap it up with a discussion on Performance vs. Trust via a famous Simon Sinek video. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - Halloween is right around the corner! JLee is modifying the normal Halloween routine for her two young kids. She’s excited because her kids are getting into Star Wars and they’re doing a Star Wars family costume.

3:00 - Tim’s family is doing a Michigan vs. MSU football/Halloween neighborhood tailgate. He is trying to decide if he wants to be Biden or Trump for his costume.

4:15 - What is your favorite Halloween candy? Tim is team Reese’s pumpkin because of the peanut butter to chocolate ratio. KD likes the bite size (better known as fun size) Snickers. JLee likes a classic Kit Kat.

6:45 - First topic: BlackRock is now requiring all employees to disclose any sort of romantic relationship with anyone in the company or anyone related to the company, including all vendors and partners, which includes 1/5 of the known world by definition. The company may make alternative work arrangements depending on reporting from employees. 

8:00 - Tim, the HR Famous workplace harassment expert, thinks that this new policy is stupid because it limits so many romantic or sexual relationships.

9:30 - JLee doesn’t want to know every possible relationship between employees from an HR perspective. She says it’s TMI!

10:30 - KD says that this policy follows a few scandals with relationship reporting at BlackRock involving high level employees. 

14:30 - The gang suggests a hashtag for Blackrock - #sexlessnation

15:00 - JLee tells us what questions would have to be asked about these relationships. 

16:20 - The HR Famous crew wishes the best to the BlackRock HR crew with this new policy. #sexlessnation

19:30 - Second topic of the day: Simon Sinek’s video Performance vs. Trust. In this video, Sinek talks about the Marines and how value trustworthiness vs. high level performance.

22:40 - JLee thinks that this is a hard lesson for a leader to learn because you often only learn you can’t trust someone once someone has made a mistake.

23:30 - Tim brings up Malcolm Gladwell’s most recent book Talking To Strangers and how humans tend to default to trust when often people are not being trustworthy.

26:00 - Shoutout to Ed Baldwin and the book The Thin Book of Trust by Charles Feltman. He defines trust in his book as sincerity, reliability, and competence. 

27:00 - KD and JLee would love if Simon would button up his shirt one more button!

Oct 11, 2020
34 - United Airlines Lawsuit Vs. Blondes and Slack Growth Woes
35:33

In episode 34 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss a recent employment lawsuit that claims United Airlines grants assignment privileges to young blonde females and discusses the stock price of Slack tanking once Wall Street determined it's growth wasn't going to blow up in the WFH world aka Zoom.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:45 - WTF is WFT? KD teaches us what the Washington Football Team is. Formerly known as the Washington Redskins, WFT is the new name for the team that didn’t have a name ready for a rebrand, and all Tim and KD want to know is how Jlee, a DC native, feels about it.

5:45 - KD takes a shot a what his company’s name would be if they had to turn to something generic like WFT. Spoiler alert - It's bland.

7:15 - First topic of the day: United Airlines has taken a lawsuit from flight attendants. Bloomberg reports this lawsuit has to do with preferential treatment to young blonde females based on physical attributes on flights chartered by major league sport teams. Shocking. 

11:00 - JLee talks about how she gets upset about reviewing creative collateral due to the lack of size and physical diversity. She also wonders about the role the unions play into who gets the more coveted charter flights.  KD covers what the collective bargaining agreement says, turns out the flight attendants union bargain the right away. 

12:30 - The website Live And Let’s Fly published an article saying that clients can request specific flight attendants to work their flights if their schedule allows. The same article includes unnamed sources who provide some information provided by United Airlines in the initial discovery.

16:00 - Tim talks about how he thinks most judges won’t get into collective bargaining agreements and will try to push it back to the union to deal with.

19:15 - The HR Famous crew gives their favorite profile of flight attendant. KD likes the middle aged women who are afraid to push back on people. Tim likes the ones who recognize frequent flyers. 

22:30 - Last topic of the day: Slack! Slack recently reported quarterly results and it was in line with analysts expectations for their growth but their stock tanked.  The gang discusses whether Slack is must have work tech, compares it to Zoom and talks about how the greatest generation - GEN X - likes to communicate, which is all that really matters to Gen Xers. The gang identifies JLee as non-Gen X, but bets she can still muscle on on email without ever signing into Slack or the equivalent.

29:00 - Time for the CHRO Move of the Week! Nadia Rawlinsen is the new CPO of Slack! She comes from companies like Live Nation and Groupon and colleges like Harvard and Stanford. The gang takes a look at her career and thinks out loud about what's in front of her at Slack.

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Oct 04, 2020
33 - HR Jobs of the Future from Harvard Business Review, Virtual Learning for Kids
30:42

In episode 33 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  discuss Harvard Business Review’s 21 HR jobs of the Future and their personal strategies for working from home with children who are doing online school.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:15 - Starting off the episode with a big question: in 10 years, what is your dream HR job? JLee wants to be the #2 in line to a great #1 HR employee at a certain organization. Tim says he wants to be Chief Performance Officer for the US government (sounds pretty tough...).

3:20 - Harvard Business Review published an article about the 21 HR jobs of the future and KD wrote a blog post on his blog about it. Some of these jobs include chatbot and human facilitator, algorithm bias auditor, and work from home facilitator. Do you think any of these jobs will really come to fruition? JLee thinks that these jobs really just live in skills and trends rather than full jobs. 

5:30 - KD comments on how a lot of job titles have changed over the years to better reflect or change the perception of what kind of function a job has. 

7:30 - KD is interested in the idea of a second act coach and a gig economy manager. What new jobs brought up by this article do you like?

9:00 - Time for the CHRO Move of the Week! This week’s CHRO move comes from Jennifer Cornelius at Pinterest! She comes from Starbucks, Apple and Sweetgreen and now is the top HR dog at Pinterest. 

12:00 - Tim worries that she might regret leaving Apple since her role at Pinterest is only a contract position and Apple is a very powerful brand. 

14:45 - KD thinks that Jennifer added the “future of work” tag to her LinkedIn and praises it as a good move.

15:45 - Shoutout to Lars Schmidt and his podcast 21st Century HR!

16:30 - Second topic of the day: working from home with children in online school! JLee has two young kids that are in virtual school and she walks us through some struggles she has experienced in her household including wifi bandwidth issues. The HR Famous team is struggling with so many video calls on top of general tasks that use up wifi connection. JLee calls for more grace when people are experiencing video issues. 

20:45 - JLee is seeing a lot of panic and stress from parents that are trying to manage their children’s schooling while on work calls. She sees a lot of parents apologizing often about any issues and thinks people should stop apologizing for having to parent during work. 

24:00 - Tim is starting to see some backlash against parents who are getting breaks for dealing with their children and their kid’s schooling. JLee says she can’t think of an answer for this issue.

25:15 - JLee says she locks the door when she’s busy with work to keep her kids out. She also recommends getting wireless earbuds or taking work calls from parts of the house where you can multitask. 

26:30 - Tim recommends creating a specific work space for his kids, creating an in house video schedule for wifi connection, and putting signs on the door to keep people out if important calls are going on. 

27:45 - JLee mentions a Google device that helps manage device connection on a certain wifi network. 

29:00 - Tim thinks people are desperate to get back to the office and WFH may not stay as long as we think it is. JLee thinks that people are still worried about health and safety. 

30:00 - Shoutout to all the parents doing their best working from home and managing their kids schooling! We see you!

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

 

Sep 27, 2020
32 - LinkedIn is not Tinder, US Postal System Overtime Earnings
29:11

In episode 32 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss crazy overtime pay at the USPS and harassment issues via messaging on LinkedIn. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:45 - We got an HR Famous boys trip coming up! Tim is heading down to Alabama to visit KD for a good ole trip with the boys.

3:50 - First topic of the day: It has come out recently that 4,000 USPS employees made more money in overtime than their base pay. The crew plays a game to guess what the average North East mail handler makes. How much do you think they make?

6:00 - KD breaks down the talking points for various stakeholders to explain runaway OT. 

7:45 - Tim points out that it would be clear to most business people that the amount of overtime the USPS is paying is out of hand and requires hiring of more employees. 

9:30 - Tim mentions the stats behind the overtime hours for the average North East mail handler and how there might be some fraud in hours reporting. 

10:30 - JLee discusses a podcast she listened to about the UPS and how they analyzed a ton of different data points for their delivery drivers and how some of that data monitoring could help with efficiency at the USPS.  KD points out that criticism of the OT won't be pitched during the election due to party affiliation of unions.

13:00 - Second topic of the day: creepy dudes on LinkedIn! Friend of the show, Laurie Ruetimann, often posts about her interactions with being hit on by men on LinkedIn. Tim did a Twitter poll asking his female followers if they’ve had similar interactions. Many respondents said that they’ve been hit on but not propositioned for sex. However, many thought that if they engaged, it would have moved to that step. 

16:00 - Tim is surprised this is still an issue in 2020. He discusses a statement from LinkedIn in January to help fight against harassment on their platform. LinkedIn took down 16,000 instances of harassment in the first 6 months of 2019.  KD points out in a world where LinkedIn provides AI to tell us how we want to respond to a message, they can probably stop harassment-based messaged and the accounts that send them.

19:45 - Listener of the show, Cindy Gallop, wrote into Tim and mentioned she has logged 14 male harassment issues from LinkedIn. She gave Tim some of her suggestions to help fight harassment on the platform. 

23:00 - KD asks for an example of a type of message that is perceived as being “hit on”. JLee gives some examples such as commenting on physical looks and certain flirtatious emojis.

27:00  - Tim thinks LinkedIn can do more from a tech perspective but notes some of the issues from just taking down profiles as the top strategy to combat this harassment. 

28:45 - The HR Famous crew tells men to stop being creepy on LinkedIn!

Sep 20, 2020
31 - Google Moves to Unhip Annual Performance Reviews, IBM is the CHRO Move of the Week
40:20

In episode 31 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss Google's move to a very uncool/unhip annual performance review cycle (called a "perf" which is dangerously close to bad stuff), David Blaine’s recent dangerous endeavor, and the latest CHRO move of the week involving IBM's new HR leader.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - Did you watch David Blaine’s balloon descension excursion? Tim doesn’t think that he’s human. 

4:30 - Do you ever dress up at home just to feel better? JLee dressed up today because she’s sick of athleisure

5:30 - Time for the CHRO Move of the Week! IBM Senior Vice President of HR and CHRO Diane Gherson announced her successor, Nickle LaMoreaux, this week as she has decided to retire. JLee commends IBM for this classy move of publicly passing the gauntlet onto their next CHRO

9:00 - KD points out her former positions at IBM and how that helped her get into the top HR spot at the company. 

12:00 - KD talks about how IBM was one of the first to move people to remote work and also the first to take it away, and why it had a number of lawsuits around age discrimination based on allegations of a strategy to bring in younger people that would cost less. 

14:20 - The HR Famous crew doesn’t know what IBM does anymore! Does this mean that they’re on the outs?

15:00 - Who remembers the old adage “No one ever got fired for buying IBM”? JLee has never heard it but Tim and KD remember those days.

17:00 - Next topic of the day: Business Insider published an article about Google’s performance reviews being resumed and how some employees are concerned that the new 12 month cycle will hurt their chances for promotions. 

18:00 - Internally, Google’s performance reviews are known as “perf”... That’s something the HR Famous crew has never seen! Tim sees this as a sign as Google growing up.  The gang also has fun with the word "perf" which borders on the worst corporate slang ever.

21:30 - A lot of companies had to or chose to pause performance reviews during the beginning of the pandemic. KD thinks it was a good move to pause performance reviews for the first months of the pandemic to allow employees to focus on other worries. 

24:30 - JLee and Tim comment on how their frustration with the fact that Google employees are so worried about their pay increases when so much else is going on in the world. KD reminds everyone that there are a lot of people in the company that aren’t complaining about their lack of a raise. 

27:45 - One of the things that Google is doing to make performance reviews more simple is having employees list up to 5 of their biggest accomplishments/achievements but they must say less than 160 words for each item. KD notes the fact that via this strategy, managers at Google are like everyone else - they'd prefer you write your own review!!

28:30 - Reach out to Tim Sackett if you need help writing your perf!

30:30 - Tim laughs at the fact that the pandemic has forced HR to go back in time to once a year performance reviews, when research for years has shown that more frequent performance reviews are more effective. 

32:00 - JLee brings up the fact that those with children they are taking care of at home may be negatively affected by performance reviews right now. Tim thinks that people are going to be judged by their performance during the pandemic anyways and there’s not much you can do to change that. 

38:30 - Who else has become a cycler in the pandemic? JLee and Tim are now fans!

 

Sep 13, 2020
30 - Is Johnny Taylor Good for SHRM and HR?
36:51

In episode 30 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee link up to discuss Senator Tom Carper’s senate hearing mishap with Zoom and Johnny Taylor’s time at SHRM, asking and discussing the question “is Johnny Taylor for good for SHRM and HR?”

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

1:30 - Do you like “what up?” or “how are you?” better? HR Famous prefers what up as a greeting!

2:30 - Do you have any monster.com swag from an HR conference? Tim still has it on his desk! KD isn’t a swag guy and wants to avoid the lines at all costs. 

5:00 - First topic of the day: tech mishaps in US Senate hearings! Senator from Delaware Tom Carper didn’t realize he wasn’t muted and was caught using some profanity in this video. KD wrote about this occurrence on his blog and called him the worst boss ever. 

9:15 - Tim calls this the most embarrassing leadership moment that a leader can have around their staff. What is your most embarrassing moment as a leader?

11:30 - KD thinks the abrupt nature of Senator Carper’s three f-bombs to a staffer gives the signal that he’s the worst boss ever. He thinks the nature of the interaction gives off bad boss vibes. 

14:00 - Second topic of the day: is Johnny Taylor good for HR?Business Insider discussed the reign of the CEO of SHRM in their new article and noted the turnaround under his leadership and allegations of a cutthroat culture he has created for SHRM employees. 

17:00 - Although some may call Tim a Johnny Taylor fanboy, he praises him for turning a company around and helping SHRM start to turn a profit again. Tim says that the out of touch SHRM of the past is being transformed under Johnny and the new culture he’s creating is trying to update the company.

19:20 - JLee thinks that it’s important to try and bifurcate some of Taylor’s accomplishments from some issues that have arisen at SHRM. She says that it’s hard to deny some of his results even though there have been issues with SHRM’s work culture and their handling of certain situations with their employees. 

23:00 - KD sets the table for a balanced discussion on Taylor at SHRM, doing a balanced scorecard he calls "Johnny's W's and Johnny's L's (wins and losses), noting that any leader in any organization is going to have some wins and losses - that's just life.

23:30 - Johnny’s wins: financial turnaround, diverse leader of an organization, speaking out about recidivism, DEI programming among others. Jlee comments on the fact that Johnny's involvement and visibility has limited the need for paid media. Tim comments on his charisma and how his dynamic presence may positively affect membership. 

27:40 - Johnny’s losses: perceived alignment with the Trump administration creates polarization and vocal critics, SHRM’s slow response to the Black Lives Matter movement and the killing of George Floyd, and a perceived relationship with the Koch brothers on issues of recidivism. 

31:00 - Tim thinks the messaging about police brutality and the BLM movement is something that SHRM could’ve clarified in order to create a more clear message. Jlee talks about perception vs reality. 

33:56- The crew answers the question of the segment. What do you think?

Sep 04, 2020
29 - Why HR Generalists Are Winning During COVID + Salesforce Parental Leave
32:30

In episode 29 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss how HR Generalists are rapidly becoming the preferred choice for HR Leaders with shrinking staff/team size due to their "do it all" mentality, and discuss how specialists in the HR field can protect themselves vs further cuts as furloughs turn into layoffs.

The gang also provide a "hot take" round of reactions to recent workforce announcements from Salesforce. We learn JLee doesn't want a stipend for a printer or a Chromebook.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

3:00 - First topic of the day: Salesforce has come out this week with a list of announcements including that all employees can work from home until July 31, 2021, the plan of the slow reopening of their many offices, an expansion of benefits for those working from home, and an additional 6 weeks of PTO for parents. KD asks JLee and Tim to react with hot takes on each of the announced benefits.

6:00 - Salesforce is giving their employees $250 to help them buy supplies to work from home. JLee doesn’t think it’s enough to buy too many things of actual value. Hello, Chromebook.

8:00 - JLee says she is not able to use all of her current PTO so she doesn’t need more time and would prefer a subsidy for childcare rather than more time. KD thinks that Salesforce is trying to create a monopoly being an employer of choice for people with kids after the trendy period of their lives "inside the perimeter".

13:30 - Second topic: KD and Kathy Rapp talked on his podcast Best Hire Ever about the current phenomenon of HR Leaders  looking for HR Generalists over specialists as teams are shrinking and people are getting cut. Tim says that to get noticed by a HR Leader you typically have to have deep knowledge in one area and it’s very hard for new people to the HR world to have a lot of knowledge in many areas as required to be a great generalist. 

16:30 - JLee shouts out boss president at HRQ, Kathy Rapp! She also comments on how many people working in HR don’t want to be a generalist and they want to specialize with something they’re more fascinated by. 

19:00 - Tim thinks that in a low unemployment world, HR generalists are undervalued and are often passed up for promotions due to their lack of specificity in one area. Do you think HR generalists value changes with time?

20:00 - KD asks JLee and Tim to comment on how difficult/easy it is for different HR specialist types to broaden their role and avoid being laid off in a recession. Tim thinks it's possible for a modern compensation/benefit person to prove themselves because they’re often driven by data.

22:00 - JLee thinks that employee relations specialists have a lot of opportunity to broaden out their experience but thinks they need to be proactive rather than reactive in their actions. 

23:00 - Tim says that recruiters must be knowledgeable about where the money is coming from in their organization and bolster that area to the best of their ability to protect themselves.

24:00 - JLee says that OD/talent management folks need to be seen on the forefront of bringing in talent in order to show their value. 

25:00 - KD thinks the ultimate skill for any HR employee to possess right now is the ability to communicate. Tim says that all VP’s and Directors of HR right now need to be driving performance right now in order to stay important within their company. 

31:30 - KD thinks that a great HR generalist can come from anywhere and they rise to the top via their ability to analyze data, communicate, and ship actual product rather than talking about it.

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

 

Aug 30, 2020
28 - California Gets Crazier in Going After Uber and Lyft
34:02

In episode 27 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss 100K jobs with the least competition (spoiler - that means only really smart people should apply) and break down California going after Uber and Lyft with California Assembly Bill 5, which seeks to classify more contractors such as Uber/Lyft drivers into full-time employees

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:30 – Tim and Kris decide Jessica is beginning to fall in love with Hamilton because her kids are watching and singing the songs all the time.

4:05  - The crew breaks down $100,000 salary jobs with the least competition, and most are technical and medical, except for the number one job.

6:30 – Tim is ranking doctors on which ones are the dumbest even though he could never be a doctor and passed out at the birth of all three of his kids.

10:30 – The crew decides which six-figure jobs should have been on the list but weren’t, and Tim shares how a used car salesman in his town has a way bigger house than he has, so he believes the best six-figure job with the least competition is probably great sales jobs, because not many want to do sales, and very few are great at sales.

13:35 – KD wants the crew on a future episode to break down the best jobs for liberal art school grads. Also, Tesla, KD is open for a HR Famous sponsorship! KD has Tim break down what makes a great salesperson.

16:22 – The crew digs into California Assembly Bill 5 lawsuit by Uber and Lyft that puts in a three prong test to determine is a person an employee or contractor, which has a major impact to Uber and Lyft drivers moving them from contractors to employees. Both Uber and Lyft have threatened to end operations in California if AB5 goes through.

18:45 – KD believes that ultimately the customers of Uber and Lyft will end up paying for this bill in the end, but Jessica disagrees and believes the market will answer the challenge to fill the void. Or that Uber and Lyft will find a middle-ground to continue business where they can have both employees and contractors.

21:55 – Californians will vote in November on an amendment to exempt rideshare companies from AB5 anyway, so does it really matter? Well, it might not for rideshare, but it could national impact to tech contractors, over the road drivers, etc.

22:30 – Tim hates California and believes doing business in California in the biggest pain in the ass in the entire world.

24:00 – The voice of reason Jessica comes in and explains how California should create a safety net for its citizens versus forcing companies to create the safety net by changing their employment status.

31:00 – KD asks the HR Famous crew what do we think Californian’s will do when voting in November in terms of amending AB5 and letting Uber and Lyft off the hook.

33:00 – Tim tells the crew he has to go because he’s having a Spirit Painting being done and has to go, but will update everybody next episode on the experience!

Aug 23, 2020
27 - McLovin Is Back! Plus New Data on WFH Impact on Meetings
35:30

In episode 27 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss JLee's knowledge on the best flowers, the crew gives theories on why meeting times have decreased during the pandemic (but the number of meetings is up), and workplace relationship issues that have reemerged surrounding former McDonald’s CEO Steve Easterbrook (McLovin from episode 2 of HR Famous) are covered.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:00 - The resident ginger of HR Famous is back from vacation! Welcome back Tim!

4:40 - Tim got some flowers for his wife and tried to share the great deal with the HR Famous crew and Jlee had to kindly reject (she doesn’t like roses!) and KD had bought flowers for his wife 30 minutes prior to Tim's text. Jlee also implores her vast knowledge of flowers onto the men of the group. 

7:00 - First topic of the day - a new study was released from the National Bureau of Economic Research about changes in the workday. The study shows that the number of meetings and number of attendees per meeting have increased during the pandemic but there is a reduction in meeting length. 

9:20 - Jlee thinks the reduction in meeting time can be attributed to less travel time from meeting to meeting and the convenience of meeting remotely. How far do you have to travel to get to meetings in your office? KD thinks the reduction is due to having more meetings. Tim thinks it can be attributed to the digital platforms. 

12:30 - KD had to lead his first in person, socially distanced, masked up long meeting recently and he said it was horrible. He would prefer to do it through Zoom. 

15:00 - One more stat from this study: the average work day has increased by 48.5 minutes from working remotely. Tim doesn’t believe people are actually working more but they are just working at different times of the day. 

17:15 - How early do you schedule your meetings? Jlee is a fan of 7:30 am meetings. 

19:30 - Second topic of the day - since most American children aren’t returning to in person schooling, some employees are giving benefits to their employees to help care for their children. CNBC published an article about the benefits some companies are and aren’t affording their employees surrounding child care. 

22:40 - Jlee thinks the benefits in the article shouldn’t be considered benefits but rather resources given to employers with children. Tim thinks a true benefit would be to give a subsidy to those with children to help pay for child care. 

26:30 - Final topic of the day - the former CEO of McDonald’s Steve Easterbrook was let go in 2019 with a $40 million severance package and now McDonald’s is suing Easterbrook because they have found explicit pictures he exchanged with several other former employees in addition to the single relationship he was previously removed for. 

28:30 - Jlee is disappointed because she is a McDonald’s alum. She points out that at the time, the board of directors thought he was being forced out without cause and therefore, he got a big sum of money upon his dismissal. 

29:45 - KD thinks McDonald’s will seek out all of the impacted parties and try to settle with all of them. Also, he thinks the company will have to conduct a big investigation and find everything that happened with Easterbrook and his misconduct. 

33:00 - Tim thinks McDonald’s will want to negotiate all of the dealings behind closed doors. He also thinks the company didn’t do their due diligence when Easterbrook was leaving and tried to push him out too quickly. 

Aug 16, 2020
26 - When Employees Pass Around Salary Worksheets (Blizzard Entertainment)
34:37

In episode 26 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss their favorite real estate apps, the hottest cities to move to if you're running from the pandemic/high cost of living/'the coasts", and a recent Bloomberg article that attempted a takedown vs Blizzard Entertainment related to pay issues - including some employees passing around a cloud spreadsheet listing salaries they make at Blizzard.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - Tim is gone (again) this week on another vacay! KD and Jlee talk about what they think Tim is doing on his Lake Michigan getaway. Ginger people don’t tan!

3:30 - What is your favorite real estate app? Jlee is a Redfin fan and the Dunn fam likes Zillow. 

4:40 - First topic of the day - Redfin found that a record number of people are looking to move to a major metropolitan area. Tens of thousands of people are looking to leave the most expensive American housing markets and many are looking to move to Phoenix, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and Austin. 

7:30 - Jlee doesn’t like your hate on the “coastal elites”! She’s surprised by some of the cities on the list and noticed the warm climates amongst the top 5 cities. She wants some Phoenix heat! KD wants to stay close to his roots in ATL. 

12:00 - Next topic of the day - Blizzard Entertainment, famous for making many popular video games like Call of Duty, has a situation where employees circulated a salary document internally that showed major pay disparities. The salary document was first reported by Bloomberg - but the gang has questions.

15:00 - Jlee praises the person who circulated the Google sheets form for being efficient. If anyone has the link to the spreadsheet, HR Famous would love to see it! KD wonders aloud how many columns are on the spreadsheet?  Are they names? The gang doubts it.

18:00 - An Activision spokesperson says that they compensate their employees fairly and gave their top performers a higher salary increase than in prior years. KD compares this issue to an episode of The Office where they have to decide who to give raises to and how.

21:00 - KD comments on the quote from the Activision spokesperson that says “a 20% increase on salaries compared to other years” was questionable language. KD and Jlee give high marks to this the language that is a little clever to the untrained eye. 

25:00 - KD points out that Blizzard has thousands of employees and not everyone could be consulted for this article. He's kind of over articles that splash, but make no mention of how many employees a reporter talked to.

26:00 - What do you think Blizzard’s Glassdoor rating is? KD is a little surprised by Blizzard’s rating and thinks that their rating isn’t indicative of some of the problems this article addresses. 

29:00 - KD finds the reported Blizzard salaries on Glassdoor by job and finds that many aren’t too far off the industry average/ KD guesses the problems are in customer service and QA based on low hourly rates.

32:00 - Jlee feels for Blizzard and their HR department in these tough times for their company. KD wants reporters to tell a full story and do their job right. He encourages them to take their clickbait titles for traffic, then tell whole story.

Aug 09, 2020
25 - Paid Voting Time Off at Apple, Trump Pushes Skills vs Degrees
37:41

In episode 25 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee discuss Jlee and KD’s return to the office, Apple’s paid time off for employees to vote, and President Trump’s new plan for skill-based hiring in the federal government.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:00 - Have you returned to your work office yet? Jlee returned to her office for the first time since March. She had to get approval to go into the office and she thought it was a very bizarre experience. KD also returned to his office and he thought it was something out of a zombie movie. 

6:00 - Jlee missed her typical office amenities when she went back in and had to bring her own coffee, water, and snacks. Also, she had to change all of her calendars to the right month and throw away her old coffee cup (from March)!

9:00 - Nike released a video about the new protections they’re implementing for their offices in Asia when employees come back to work. 

10:30 - First BIG topic of the day - Apple is giving all employees paid time off to vote or volunteer at a polling place in upcoming US elections. Tim gives his employees time off to vote within reason and he commends Apple for allowing retail workers to have time off to vote.

14:20 - Tim Cook and Auburn University shoutout from KD!

15:00 - KD doesn’t think that Apple’s decision is that out of the box. He brings up the potential logistical concerns in manufacturing or other settings where scheduling could be an issue. 

16:00 - KD and Tim discuss the potential influence of who to vote for from company execs. Tim talks about how his Mom used to share wisdom on who to vote for and why. 

18:00 - Tim and Jlee think Apple should have released to the public the memo on PTO to vote for good employment marketing. 

20:30 - Jlee is planning on taking a PTO day for the day after the election hangover. How late are you willing to stay up to watch election results?

22:00 - HR Famous supports Apple CEO Tim Cook and Auburn University (at least KD does). If you’re reading this Tim, we would love to have you on the pod!

22:30 - Second BIG topic of the day - President Trump signed an executive order in late June ordering the federal government to revise their qualifications for jobs, in hopes to prioritize jobs skills over college degrees. Ivanka Trump is leading this initiative to help those without higher education get good federal government jobs.

24:30 - Tim praises the federal government for catching up to private industry and taking out unnecessary job qualifications for certain jobs. 

26:30 - Tim and KD worry that this news coming from the Trump administration will be discounted because it’s coming from President Trump and both of them think it’s a pretty progressive move. 

31:00 - Tim talks about how he used to require all of his recruiters to have a college degree and the determination it shows to finish a degree. He has changed his requirements since and he’s seen some of his best recruiters come in without a degree. 

33:20 - Tim asks Jlee and KD what percentage of jobs they think actually require a degree. What do you think?

36:50 - One final War Eagle and Tim Cook shoutout!

Aug 02, 2020
24 - Complicated Career Expectations in the Modern World for New Grads + Notes on Hamilton
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In episode 24 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee are back to discuss the escalation of career expectations for college students (as well as the musical Hamilton and Glassdoor/Indeed changes). 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - KD is now a user of a standing desk. How do you like yours?

2:00 - Hamilton time! Tim convinced the rest of the crew to watch Hamilton on Disney+ and Jlee says she respects it but is not the biggest fan of musicals or history. 

4:20 - Tim asks KD and Jlee who they think each of the HR Famous crew is in the Hamilton cast. Tim and Jlee both think they’re Alexander Hamilton. KD doesn’t think that Hamilton is charismatic enough to be Tim. KD wins by being compared to George Washington and King George by his friends.

11:00 - First topic of the day: Indeed and Glassdoor are merging services. Tim thinks that this is bad news for Glassdoor and worries that Indeed will sell out the mission of Glassdoor for $$$. 

14:45 - Second topic of the day: new grads! We welcome Tim’s middle son, Cameron, who is a recent graduate of the University of Michigan to discuss his latest experience in the job market. Cam is looking for a job in the entertainment industry in marketing/social media and he spends a lot of his time applying for jobs and reaching out to UMich alums to network.

18:15 - KD asks Cam about the alumni network at the University of Michigan and how he tries to leverage that connection. He talks about the different types of responses he gets and the steep cost of being a member of the U of M Alumni Association. 

22:00 - KD and Jlee talk about network fatigue that is occurring right now due to the many people who are currently looking for a job and how this will make it harder for anyone to make new connections. 

23:30 - The HR Famous crew wants to see Cam out in the news space talking about his experience. If you want to interview a new grad on his job search or are interested in Cam for your company, find him on LinkedIn!

24:30 - Tim talks about his perspective as a parent of a new grad and a HR professional and how he’s had to watch the struggles of his son enter a bad job market. 

26:15 - Tim asks Cam about candidate experience and what kind of response rate he’s getting from companies. Tim talks about how he thinks the data from this year about candidate experience is going to be really poor. 

29:00 - KD discusses his worries about post-grad jobs in a COVID and post-COVID world. He thinks we’re setting difficult expectations for high performing college students who are entering the job force. Jlee worries that colleges are just using student’s successes and expectations to get the best crop of incoming students. 

32:45 - Tim talks about his blog post he wrote about Cam’s college admissions experience and how the college admission system is screwed up. KD is a big fan of the comments on the blog post and still subscribes to them 4 years later. 

35:30 - KD asks Cam about how he remembers his college admissions experience and the frustrations he felt during this time. 

37:30 - KD asks Jlee about her experience going through college as a child of immigrant parents. She discusses the high expectations that her parents had for her and how she’s going to change and adapt those expectations for her children. 

40:00 - Jlee discusses her rebellious streak as a young adult and how she did well enough to get by and still rise to the top of her field. 

41:30 - HR Famous thinks the cream always rises to the top!

44:00 - KD posted a blog post on the HR Capitalist this week about a woman who reached out to him that had worked at the same call center for four years. He thinks that regardless of where anyone starts, the best will always rise and reach where they want to be. 

47:00 - Cam talks about what he thinks about taking a call center and his hesitations. He says that he would be more willing to take a customer service entry level position if he’s joining a company that has great upward mobility and career mentoring. 

48:45 - The HR Famous crew gives their last words of advice to Cam on the job search. 

Jul 26, 2020
23 - TikTok On Company Phones, Unemployment $$ Crushes RTW
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In episode 23 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee are back to discuss Jlee’s recent vacation, Tim’s new favorite shorts, different proposed plans for return to work bonuses, and privacy concerns about TikTok and other apps on company owned devices. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:20 - Jlee is back from vacay! Jlee went on a working vacation to the beach and returned with a nice tan. 

3:45 - Do you turn on an out of office reply on your email when you go on vacation? The HR Famous crew has rarely if never turned on their out of office reply. 

6:00 - Tim comes through with the much needed fashion advice. He says to check out Fair Harbor shorts! (Also, we’re open to a sponsorship!)

7:00 - First topic of the episode: return to work bonuses. Republican lawmakers are calling to an end to the unemployment benefits coming from the federal stimulus package and replace them with a return to work bonus. Tim says that he’s hearing from many companies that they cannot find workers right now. 

9:30 - KD lists off a few of the proposed return to work bonus plans that are being considered. Jlee brings up the fact that many states have waived work search requirements for those receiving unemployment benefits. 

12:00 - KD praises the government for moving fast in the beginning of the pandemic to get money to those who really needed it, although there may be problems with the policies. 

14:00 - Idaho implemented a version of a return to work hiring bonus but the funds are first come, first serve. Tim worries that some people will return just to get the bonus and then quit and go back on unemployment. 

16:20 - Tim discusses a company that he is currently working with and how it is harder to recruit positions for that company in places where Amazon warehouses exist. 

18:00 - A big factor for many people to return to work depends on decisions schools make to go virtual or return to in person instruction. KD brings up some counties in the Atlanta area who have decided to do virtual learning for the upcoming school year. Tim talks about how he would want to recruit other families to do virtual learning together. 

21:45 - Next topic of the episode: TikTok and employer’s rights! Last Friday, Amazon emailed employees to delete TikTok from their phones. Later in the day, they issued a statement that the email was a mistake and their employees didn’t need to delete TikTok. Wells Fargo also directed their employees to delete TikTok from company owned devices. 

24:00 - Tim brings up the bitcoin hack on Twitter and privacy/security concerns on there as well. Although TikTok is a Chinese owned company, there is still risk coming from American owned companies like Twitter. 

25:50 - KD discusses the differences in security issues on different kinds of devices or softwares. Tim brings up how many tech companies have allowed their employees to work on whatever operating system they’re most comfortable with and how there may be IT concerns surrounding that. 

28:00 - KD asks Jlee if she thinks that people will delete TikTok from their personal mobile devices even though most people have other privacy sensitive information on their devices. Jlee thinks it’s not going to happen and says the only way employers could have complete control over the employee’s devices would have to be somewhat similar to government agencies that work with national security concerns. 

30:00 - Tim discusses concerns over TikTok being a Chinese company and therefore, somewhat state-controlled. He thinks a solution may be getting a US owned TikTok alternative to replace the platform. Jlee is very sad about the potential outlawing of TikTok. 

32:00 - Tim thinks that people should be allowed to have multiple logins on a phone like you can have on a laptop or a computer. KD thinks that companies should just pay for their employees to have their own company device to solve any security concerns. 

33:30 - The HR Famous podcast promotes wearing a mask! Mask up!

34:00 - Is your family stocking up on new devices for back to school? Jlee’s family is spending a lot of money on back to school and Tim may need to buy his son a new laptop. 

35:00 - KD is working on bringing a manager training series online at Kinetix. Look out for that coming soon!

36:00 - Check out friend of the podcast, Stacy Zapar, for recruiter training

Jul 19, 2020
22 - Talking HR Reporting with Shana Lebowitz Gaynor of Business Insider
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In episode 22 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn are joined by Shana Lebowitz Gaynor to discuss her work at Business Insider and specifically her articles about SHRM’s handling of BLM statements and top HR innovators. The crew also talks about Tim’s Utah adventures, the CHRO move of the week, and KD’s many ideas for HR-related articles at Business Insider. 

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:00 - No Jlee this week! We hope she’s having fun on her beach vacation!

2:00 - Tim just got back from another (socially distanced) Southern Utah vacation. Tim and KD talk about how to get into Zion National Park and how Tim works the system to get into Zion the easiest way. KD thinks Tim is getting spoiled with views. 

4:50 - Check out Tim’s instagram for all of his cool Utah excursions and his most recent jet ski and cliff jumping adventure. 

7:20 - New segment alert: CHRO move of the week! Eileen Moore Johnson is the new EVP and CHRO at Scientific Games. Johnson moves from an operational role at Caesars to this new role. KD and Tim break down what they like about the move.

12:00 - Time to welcome our guest for the episode! Shana Lebowitz Gaynor is the correspondent and HR insider writer at Business Insider

14:00 - Where are most HR people getting their news from? Shana thinks most HR people are getting their news like many other industries, on social media platforms like Twitter and LinkedIn. 

16:00 - Tim asks Shana about her experience at Business Insider and what she sees people are connecting most with their content. She says that people respond the most to articles about what to do if you hate your job. 

17:50 - Shana says that her time at BI has taught her to get to the point and be succinct in her articles. KD praises BI for this formatting. 

20:00 - Tim asks Shana about her article about SHRM and their response surrounding BLM and the response she got to the article. She says she learned about the passion of SHRM members 

22:00 - Tim discusses his and KD’s criticism of SHRM and how the toughest critics are often the ones that want to see an organization succeed the most. Shana talks about how she sees the criticism of SHRM as a microcosm of what’s going on in the business world. 

24:20 - KD asks Shana what surprised her about SHRM and the HR community that she learned in the writing of her article. She responds by saying that she doesn’t see the demands from racial injustice and other injustices going away. 

27:00 - KD has a lot of requests for HR reporting! He brings up an idea to create a list of HR companies that are doing the best work to take meaningful action to get results. 

28:30 - Tim brings up Shana’s article “HR innovators who are transforming company culture”. Shana talks about FedEx’s program to hire young tech talent and a tech startup’s effort to make a non-homogenous workforce. 

34:00 - KD asks Shana about any grassroots efforts she’s seen that she is excited about. Shana talks about PWC’s training program for new employees and their commitment to better mental health programs for employees. 

36:30 - Tim asks Shana about how she foresees company culture changing in our new WFH environment. Shana takes an optimistic view and sees a better and more flexible company culture and increased humanism in the business world. 

42:00 - Check out Shana on LinkedIn, Twitter, or read her articles on Business Insider! Thank you to Shana for joining us this week and for all of her great work about the HR industry! Check out their paid membership for all of their content.

Jul 12, 2020
21 - NFL Rooney Rule + VMware's Minority and Female Recruiting Pivot
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In episode 21 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to talk about The Rooney Rule and VMware’s new commitment to include a minority and female candidate in every search at the company.The gang also discusses how often they’ve filled up their car tanks during quarantine, and something called Generation Zoom. 

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:30 - How many times have you filled your gas tank during quarantine? Jlee has only filled her tank once since March!

3:00 - Who doesn’t love a best friend duo that runs together? KD and Tim went running in Celebration, Florida together. KD was on Zillow on his phone the entire time they ran in the community and Tim was dying. 

5:45 - KD has been reading a lot about “Generation Zoom”; our younger generation that has been learning through distance learning. Jlee talks about how her young kids may have trouble learning in the future since they are losing a lot of development time in school. 

9:00 - Do you think there will be a dip in SAT and ACT scores in the coming year? Tim is interested to see where the data falls. 

10:45 - First major topic of the day: The Rooney Rule. This NFL rule places interview quotas for minority candidates for coaching positions. Tim talks about how more minority candidates have been put into the interview process and what it’s meant in hiring minority coaches. 

16:00 - Jlee discusses her own personal experience getting an opportunity that she might not have based on her resume and how she relates to the experience of Mike Tomlin. 

18:00 - Tim talks about some negative views on the Rooney Rule and how often coaching positions are planned and picked out far in advance. 

20:00 - KD and Jlee bring up another positive of the Rooney Rule, in that it forces forcing hiring managers to look harder and potentially finding special people that they may not have been able to find before, even if it’s not for that particular position. 

22:30 - Second topic of the day: VMware’s CEO (Patrick Gelsinger) announced their company would commit to interviewing a POC and a woman for every single position. KD thinks this sounds similar to the Rooney Rule. KD and Tim praises VMware and other companies who have come out recently with new processes and practices to help diversify their workforce. 

26:20 - Jlee brings up potential backlash from recruiters and other hiring managers. She notes that leaders need to give recruiters some leeway in order to reach performance metrics and new interviewing goals. 

29:40 - How will this new hiring practice work in practice? KD brings up the self ID process and when it comes into play in the hiring process. Jlee discusses the data recruiters will be giving to hiring managers and how they will report that they are meeting a certain requirement. 

33:00 - KD reads VMware’s CEO statement again to Tim and gets his reaction. Tim thinks there are many aspects to this new rule that need to be addressed in order to be successful in finding the best possible candidates. 

36:00 - Pat (CEO of VM Ware) is a new best friend of the pod!

36:20 - Jlee and KD praise the leadership at VMware for going ahead with this announcement and implementation of the rule instead of getting bogged down in details and complaints. 

38:45 - Jlee and KD talk about the concept of equality vs diversity, with KD bringing up Salesforce’s move years ago to grab the high ground of equality.

41:00 - HR Famous would like to congratulate Patrick Gelsinger from VMware on a job well done with their new version of the Rooney Rule. 

Jun 28, 2020
20 - Adidas CHRO on Ropes, SCOTUS Ruling, Pronouns & Micromanaging
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In episode 20 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn, and Jessica Lee come together to discuss this week’s Supreme Court ruling, pronouns, and Zoom fatigue. The trio talk about the new developments that may come out of the SCOTUS ruling, the calling for the resignation of Adidas’ CHRO, and micromanaging WFH employees. 

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:40 - Weird voicemail time: Tim talks about a voicemail he got from a young person looking for a job with no information whatsoever. Do you have any crazy voicemail stories?

4:50 - Do you put your phone number on your LinkedIn profile? Tim has his out there and he doesn’t get a lot of spam calls (yet).

5:40 - First major topic of the day: SCOTUS ruled on Monday that the Civil Rights Act protects LGBTQ workers from workplace discrimination. Jlee thinks that this is may open up a new dialogue about transgender workers amongst HR professionals and compliance. KD wonders about self IDs and any new developments with affirmative action. 

10:00 - Tim discusses the importance of collecting gender in order to collect data on discrimination. He also talks about how he first was hesitant about the importance of pronouns and how he’s come around on the importance of proper pronouns in the workplace. 

12:00 - Any Billions watchers out there?

13:00 - KD brings up the issue of a few corporations encouraging or forcing the use of personal pronouns on platforms like LinkedIn profiles. He thinks it may slow the progress of the adoption of this new practice. 

16:00 - Tim thinks that companies can force pronoun use and identification onto employees if they’re a company that fosters a more progressive culture. He thinks it may help with less offensive situations by encouraging leadership to adopt the practice and see the culture change from the top down. 

18:30 - Second topic of the day: Adidas employees are calling for the resignation of the brand’s CHRO Karen Parkin due to previous problematic comments on racial issues within the company. Jlee discusses how companies can’t have any missteps right now and if they do, they have to react quickly. 

23:00 - Tim and Jlee comment on their distaste for digging up old dirt and bringing it back up years later. He commends Howard Stern and his genuine apology for doing blackface. He also brings up the differences in racial issues across the world and from country to country. 

26:20 - KD says that it is hard for him to fathom a business leader that isn’t able to acknowledge issues within a company when confronted. Jlee discusses the need for humility and empathy as HR professionals. 

28:15 - Final topic of the day: micromanaging! We’re not talking about the messaging platform but about leaders who micromanage their teams. Tim calls out Jlee for being a micromanager but she claims her extra micromanaging is due to the uncertainty of the times. 

31:40 - Tim doesn’t believe in Zoom fatigue. Do you?

33:50 - “Do you know what’s worse than Zoom fatigue? Not having a job.” - Tim

34:00 - Jlee stands up for permanent remote employees who weren’t forced to show their face on camera before but are now due to everyone working remotely. 

35:20 - Did you know KD writes on the side?

37:15 - Tim thinks that 25-30 working at home may equate to 40 hours to an office.

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Jun 21, 2020
19 - Starbucks Work Uniform Woes and Hourly Hiring
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In episode 19 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn, and Jessica Lee are back to discuss a number of topics about diverse hiring. The trio talk about Adidas’s new hiring goal, tech companies’ contribution to the BLM movement, and Starbucks’ uniform debacle. Later in the episode, Tim is joined by HR leader Jonathan Zoob about hourly hiring and sitting courtside at an NBA game. 

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:30 - The gang is finally back together! It’s been a few weeks, but Tim, Jlee, and KD are all back on the podcast this week!

2:30 - First topic of the day: popular brand pronunciations. Apparently, the US says everything different than the rest of the world. 

3:45 - Adidas has announced that 30% of their hires will be diverse hires. The gang praises Adidas for putting a number out there to start progress but they question where the hiring is going to cause change. 

8:40 - Tim discusses a goal that he had at a previous company for diverse hires in leadership roles. He talks about push back from hiring managers and other certain people that feel victimized by diversity hiring goals. 

10:30 - KD talks about his favorite “Tim working at Applebee’s” story. Tim says that Applebee’s restrooms are like “a war zone”.....

11:30 - CNBC compiled a list of different tech companies and what they’re doing to support the BLM movement. Every company on the list contributed lots of money, but only one organization announced a change in leadership, when the CEO of Reddit stepped down from his board seat to fill it with a POC. Tim accuses many tech companies of “buying their way out of this conversation” instead of making real change happen. KD thinks that monetary contributions are still commendable but they need to effect real change too. 

14:45 - “You have to have money but you also have to have tangible movement”. 

16:30 - Starbucks’ employees were told that they could not wear apparel supporting BLM to work. They received backlash because Starbucks’ allows their employees to wear Pride-related uniforms in the month of June. They have pivoted since their original decision. Jlee praises them for pivoting and listening to their employees and what they want. 

20:00 - Tim thinks that Starbucks’ and other companies that enforce uniforms should standardize their uniforms and not allow anything other than a standard option since it is easier to manage and can raise many issues. He says that you can support diversity and other causes and keep a plain uniform. 

22:00 - “Print the shirts” -KD

23:30 - Time for this week’s special guest! Jonathan Zoob from Fountain has joined Tim for the second half of this week’s episode to talk about hourly hiring. 

25:00 - Tim and Zoob talk about their bucket list to sit courtside at a NBA game. They’re both Golden State Warriors fans!

27:00 - Back to business talk. Tim discusses hearing about pre-pandemic struggles to hire hourly workers and he asks Zoob what is going to change about hiring hourly workers. 

30:00 - Tim asks Zoob why companies should use different systems for hourly workers. 

32:30 - Are new hiring practices for hourly workers causing companies to lose the traditional experience of finding the best candidate? Zoob discusses how his company’s work allows non-HR professionals to find more and better candidates. 

34:30 - Tim brings up issues about hiring to create a diverse workforce and how training hiring leaders may not be enough. Zoob discusses how often those doing hiring won’t get diversity and bias training. 

36:00 - What do Fountain’s clients see getting better when using the Fountain system? Zoob says their time to hire decreases significantly. 

37:15 - Tim asks Zoob how fast time to hire should be and Zoob answers that companies must engage candidates in the application process to really get them to stay interested. 

39:00 - Last question of the day: will mass hiring start to happen without interviewing in the coming years?

40:20 - Find Jonathan at fountain.com for a demo or on LinkedIn! 

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Jun 14, 2020
18 - Torin Ellis - Going All In on D&I in 2020
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The HR Famous Crew welcomes in author, SiriusXM radio host, and D&I Talent Strategy expert, Torin Ellis, to talk about how and what organizations can do in light of recent events surrounding the George Floyd killing. Torin delivers both practical advice for organizational leaders, but also directly to HR and TA leaders who have been struggling to move their D&I strategy forward in light of pandemic budget cuts, during what might be the most important time in recent history to be all-in on D&I.

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:50 - Welcome to the pod, our special guest Torin Ellis! Jlee and Torin are tired, guys!

2:45 - Tim emceed the Transform HR virtual conference last week so he too is tired. 

3:30 - Check out Torin’s podcast Crazy and The King!

5:30 - Is Baltimore different from the rest of Maryland? Jlee’s husband thinks so but Torin defends the great city Baltimore. 

7:00 - First topic of the episode: virtual conferencing! Tim discusses Transform HR and the great experience he had last week emceeing the conference. 

9:00 - Torin discusses his experience as a keynote speaker at Transform HR the past 2 years and praises the conference for allowing him to use his platform as a keynote speaker to raise awareness and money for causes and to bring humanity to the conference. 

12:20 - Insider report: Torin scratched his entire keynote presentation the night before the conference!

13:30 - Tim asks Torin about how he thinks the current the Black Lives Matter movements and protests will affect D&I campaigns within corporations. Torin remains optimistic but wants substantive movement moving forward. 

16:00 - Although Nike is often praised for their response to social issues, Nike board member Peter Henry, has said that only 8% of Nike’s VPs are black. Tim references The Prof G Show podcast episode “Slow Thinking”

18:30 - Jlee and Torin are surprised by Peter Henry’s thought that he didn’t expect a social movement like what we’re seeing today for another ten years. Torin thinks that maybe Henry’s maturity is causing him to be a little out of touch with younger people. 

21:20 - Jlee brings up a recent experience she had with a black female team member about being reached out to a lot in the past week by white friends. She asks Torin about the burden and exhaustion black people and other POC are feeling and how to work through it. 

23:40 - Torin responds by discussing the bad timing by these people to ask for guidance by their black peers. He recommends for non-black people to go to each other and figure out why such discrimination has happened for many years. 

28:00 - Torin encourages everyone to read White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein. Check them out to learn how to be a better ally to POC and about the systemic racism built into every system of our lives in the United States. 

32:00 - The topics shift to discuss budget cuts in D&I departments. Tim asks Torin how to see growth in D&I in this time of reductions. Torin believes that organizations that cut their D&I departments now will be behind for many years to come. 

34:45 - Tim brings up small changes that organizations can make to promote D&I. Torin advises recruiting from a wider range of schools and breaking the norm from current recruiting patterns. 

40:00 - Find Torin on all social media platforms @torinellis and at torinellis.com. Also, check out his show on SiriusXM Channel 126 on Sundays at 1 pm!

Jun 07, 2020
17 - Crocs and Compensation Strategy in a COVID World
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In episode 17 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Crocs, compensation strategy, Facebook’s new location based salary adjustments, and the return of the MLB. The duo discuss the different compensation adjustment strategies companies have been taking, why companies have been choosing which strategy to implement, and how decisions made during the pandemic may translate to problems when life returns to normalcy.

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

2:00 - Haven’t heard about Crocs in awhile? No worries! Tim starts the episode talking about the resurgence of Crocs and talks about his history with the infamous shoe brand. 

5:00 - Tim wears his Crocs around the house but KD lives in a strict no-shoe household. Is your house a shoes on or shoes off home?

6:45 - Today’s topic: compensation strategy. Tim discusses the 3 different strategies companies are taking during the pandemic recession. 

8:30 - KD wages that the specific compensation strategy chosen by businesses depends on how the economy is looking and how it will be in the future. Some industries will be hit differently at different times. 

10:45 - Airbnb recently announced that they’re cutting 25% of their staff. KD discusses the strategy the CEO took for their layoffs and how they went about it. 

12:30 - Quick digression: Vegas time! Las Vegas is opening up in June and Tim talks about casinos that are giving away one way tickets for Vegas’s grand reopening. 

14:00 - We have seen upper level management and executives cutting a lot from their earnings. KD praises execs for doing a good job of forgoing or cutting salaries during the pandemic.

15:20 - Last compensation cutting strategy: location based pay. Facebook has announced that employees who elect to WFH permanently will have their pay adjusted to their personal cost of living. 

19:30 - How to adjust pay becomes a new problem with this compensation strategy. Tim and KD discuss how salary adjustment based on location and cost of living could add to the problem of wages and unfair pay

24:30 - “Stop using forever when you tell people they can work at home.” - Tim Sackett

25:00 - Google is giving their remote workers $1,000 to set their employees up for success in a WFH environment. Tim said he spent $4,000 on his personal home office when he worked remotely. KD seems stunned by the price but Tim reminds him furniture is expensive.

27:40 - KD brings us back to the days of relocation compensation. He thinks that $4,000 seems very high and argues for the side of “bootstrap America”. Bootstrappers don’t need a Herman Miller chair for their home office!

30:20 - Tim discusses the draw of working for highly known brands and how the experience of working for these brands goes away when working from home. Tim says that these companies should have Uber Eats drop off lunch for their WFH employees and KD groans. Okay boomer!

31:50 - One last topic for today: sports! KD and Tim laugh at the potential new plans for social distancing for the 2020 major league baseball season. 

34:00 - Want to go visit Spanish beaches? They’re planning on creating beach reservations that adhere to social distancing standards. Tim loves the idea. Who is down for a Spain trip?

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

May 31, 2020
16 – Ed Baldwin, HR Leader at Mikron (RTW in COVID America)
20:23

In episode 16 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Kris Dunn speaks with the Head of HR for Mikron Ed Baldwin for a continuation discussion about return to work plans. Kris and Ed discuss Mikron’s early decision to start working remotely, what changes they have made in their manufacturing plants, and what tactics allowed them to be on top of the pandemic.

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

2:00 - KD starts off the episode by asking Ed about his position and what Mikron does and their unique position that helped them to be better prepared for the Coronavirus pandemic. 

5:15 - KD and Ed establish the timeline of the WFH and circumstances that Mikron faced. 

6:00 - Ed outlines the plan and decision Mikron made for remote working, why they made that decision, and how they implemented that plan. 

9:30 - KD asks Ed what he attributes Mikron s early call to have employees work from home to. Ed says that WFH wasn’t as dispurtive as they had thought and frequent leadership team meetings helped their quick and effective response as well as their decision to make remote work a permanent fixture where they could.

11:50 -Ed and KD discuss work/employee density as a driving force in COVID response for a manufacturing company. 

13:00 - Ed explains a few things that Mikron has done to keep their workers still working on site safe, like modifying work schedules, increased hygiene and cleaning services, and open doors where possible among other changes. 

17:30 - KD asks Ed on how his midwestern upbringing in Iowa has prepared him for his work at Micron and his decision making during this pandemic. Don’t forget where you come from! 

19:45 - Check out Ed Baldwin’s profile on LinkedIn and his writing on Fistful of Talent!

May 24, 2020
15 - Is Your Company Ready for RTW
27:01

In episode 15 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Tim’s extravagant Southern Utah adventure, return to work plans, Twitter’s WFH forever proclamation, and Microsoft Teams. The team discusses the different return to work plans and ideas, new office norms, and a potential boom in the workplace real estate market.

Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)!

1:00 - No Tim on this episode! Are we sad or happy? Stay tuned to find out ;)

2:00 - Is JLee still a kid? Sound off in the comments

3:30 - Tim Sackett is a jerk!!!! His Instagram is making the HR Famous crew jealous with his Southern Utah golfing, jeep trips, and luxurious escapades. Safe travels Timmy!

4:30 - Today’s topic: return to work! Some companies have their plans ready to go but all companies are going to have to get ready for “the new normal”. What is that going to look like? Are you ready?

7:00 - RTW = return to work

7:30 - Jlee sounds off on the differences of work returns there can be and the potential anxiety employees could bring with them. Will there be a major fear from workers?

8:45 - KD is taking the approach of surveying his employees on how they want to return to work. Who wants to stay home? Who wants to return to the office? Who is unsure and has concerns? 

9:40 - One size fits all? Not for RTW plans.

11:15 - KD fills us in on how Kinetix is facing RTW: Branded face masks: check! How do you feel about the decorative/branded face masks?

13:15 - Sexy brand check! Jack Dorsey has announced that all Twitter employees can work remote forever. What really is forever? Jlee thinks it’s a cool idea but may be too early to make this call. Only a diamond is forever ;)

16:00 - Will there be an increased need for real estate for workspace? Due to physical distancing needs, there may need more space needed to ensure employee safety. 

18:00 - Have you ever had an employee sit on the floor in your office during a meeting? Jlee hasn’t but she thinks that cramped small office meetings are on the way out and virtual meetings are here to stay.

20:30 - KD and Jlee are turning this into a Microsoft ad! Microsoft Teams chat is the new norm for Jlee but may be NSFW because of their raunchy gifs.

22:30 - KD thinks that Eric Schmitt’s perception of a workspace real estate boom is a little tone deaf. With more WFH employees and financial troubles, there may not be a real estate boom especially in spaces made for small to mid-sized businesses. 

24:00 - Should we be celebrating companies and CEOs who pledge not to lay off employees? The crew thinks it’s unrealistic to raise the expectation that companies should not lay off some workers in this pandemic, especially in service industries. 

26:10 - “Up your sunscreen game” - KD to Tim Sackett. 

May 17, 2020
14 - Gen Z COVID Job Search and Recruiter Outplacement
42:59

In episode 14 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Tim Sackett, and Kris Dunn are joined by Tim’s son Cameron and HR professional Chris Hoyt to talk about holidays during quarantine, finding a job straight out of college during a recession, and recruitersrecruitingrecruiters.com. The team discusses the struggles of finding a job in a recession for a college grad, changes to candidate experience, and better ways to hire during a pandemic.

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1:30 - Mother’s Day is coming! Jessica wants some peace and quiet for her special day and Tim’s wife wants diamonds. Sounds like some good gifts to me! 

3:30 - Where do you get your Mom’s Mother Day flowers? KD shouts out 1-800- Flowers and tells a story about a disastrous bouquet of Wal-Mart flowers. Moral of the story: don’t buy flowers from Wal-Mart. 

6:00 - Happy (belated) Birthday KD! What we’ve learned is that KD prefers store bought cakes to homemade cakes.

7:00 - Welcome Tim’s son to the podcast! Cameron is a recent grad from the University of Michigan and joins the conversation to discuss finding a job during a pandemic and fills us in on what his job search has been like for the past few months.

10:00 - Has candidate experience decreased since the recession started? Cameron hasn’t seen anything shady from employers but has seen a lot of uncertainty and jobs being cancelled or postponed. 

12:20 - Have you been ghosted from a lot of jobs? Cameron has only heard back from a real person for 3 out of 70 jobs he applied to. Not many rejections too! Is that because of the uncertain nature of the times?

14:50 - Would Cameron go work for Fox News if they offered him a job? 

16:00 - Are career services still active during the pandemic? Cameron uses Tim as his personal career coach but has seen lots of friends get early job offers from college recruiting and career fairs. 

18:10 - Hot gossip alert! Cameron spills the tea on how Tim is as a personal career coach. 

20:00 - Quarantine time is a good time to learn new skills! Cameron has been working on podcasting. Look out for the Disney Channel rewatchables coming to your favorite podcasting service near you! KD and Cam discuss their favorite episodes of The Ringer’s Rewatchables podcast. 

23:00 - Tim gives us a branding lesson. Buy your kids URLs and reserve their email addresses and social media handles early! 

25:15 - Time for the second guest! Tim welcomes long time friend Chris Hoyt to the podcast.

26:00 - Chris discusses his work Career Crossroads and what they do for talent acquisition and recruiting. Tim loves it!

28:20 - Story time! Tim tells us how his wife, Kim, met Chris in Park City, Utah and really liked him. 

29:30 - Recruitersrecruitingrecruiters.com! Say that five times in a row! Chris talks about his newest project inspired by the cooperation between CVS and the hospitality industry during the coronavirus pandemic. 

32:20 - Looking for a recruiting job? There’s about 150 jobs available on the platform with over 250 employers. 

35:00 - #firstworldproblems. Are you experiencing Zoom fatigue? 

35:30 - How can you guarantee candidate experience with such high unemployment? Chris discusses how it’s uncertain whether the same levels of candidate experience can be kept up and Tim talks about mistakes he made in the last recession. 

May 10, 2020
13 - Fat Fingered Americans + Airbnb Pays New Grads Not to Show Up Until 2021
42:17

In episode 13 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Tim Sackett, and Kris Dunn try to defeat boredom and come together to talk about quarantine listening habits, Airbnb’s hiring practices, unpaid internships, and Netflix doc American Factory. The team discusses their feelings and thoughts on Airbnb’s postponed hiring, unpaid internships and other working experiences, and the documentary American Factory.

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2:30 - The team starts out sharing with us their favorite quarantine comfort music playlists full of music. Turns out the group has some different tastes: Tim likes basic Spotify playlists, Jlee likes Nick Jonas, and KD likes grunge. This also features a brief discussion of Post Malone’s tattoos. 

8:00 - Onto the rundown for the episode. Airbnb has postponed post-grad hires to 2021 and the crew talks about investment they have made for their own PR. Tim weighs in on the workforce needs for Airbnb and other tech companies and how they will continue going forward. 

11:45 - KD sees through Airbnb’s “publicity stunt” and calls them out for being unfair for postponing post-grad hires until August 2021. Tim discusses some potential writing on the wall that may have led to this decision. Maybe they’re being forward thinking? KD seems skeptical. 

15:00 - Bro trip! KD talks about the last Airbnb he stayed in with Tim in Orlando. The pictures sure weren’t telling the whole truth….

16:20 - Marriott plug from Jlee! #notsponsored

17:00 - Topic change: internships! Lots of internships have been cancelled for summer 2020 leaving soon to be grads and recent grads in a bind. Also, Hipster Sackett is the best Tim Sackett

20:30 - Tim discusses the evolution of unpaid internships. He believes young adults need to use unpaid internships to build relationships, have experiences, and find mentors to advocate for them. Do you believe in unpaid internships? Should all interns be paid?

23:15 - Who can afford unpaid internships (especially in this economy)? Jlee discusses the need to look at capabilities and skills rather than experiences for new grads in order to level the playing field. 

25:30 - KD discusses the addiction to doing internships with huge brands. He advocates for looking locally to gain experiences instead of going for the big guys. 

26:45 - “Interns have zero value” - Tim Sackett. What is the real point of internships? Recruiting. (Just saying an intern is writing this right now so no value???)

28:00 - Should companies be allowed to advertise unpaid internships? KD says no but thinks that unpaid experiences should be allowed in order to benefit the person looking for a resume booster. 

29:45 - Jlee predicts Tim’s Glassdoor ratings will be plummeting. 

30:30 - American Factory time! KD challenged Jlee and Tim to watch the 2020 Academy Award winning documentary about a Chinese company who took over a GM plant in Toledo, Ohio. The team discusses their likes and dislikes. 

35:05 - Jlee weighs in on the depiction of Chinese culture in the documentary. Although she came in skeptical, she was pleasantly surprised by the reception of the workers in the movie. 

36:10 - Motor City native Tim discusses fat-fingered Americans and the camaraderie and commitment of the Chinese company. 

40:00 - The crew ends on their favorite scene. Tim likes the chairman’s frankness about unions and Jlee agrees. She especially likes the interpretation from Chinese to English. KD likes the cut between the Chinese company energy to the Toledo break room. 

43:30 - Watch American Factory!

May 03, 2020
12 - Getting Paid Not to Work
40:34

In episode 12 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to talk quarantine watching habits, unemployment insurance coverage and the Payroll Protection Plan. The team brings up the challenges and nuances individuals might be facing when working through their unemployment insurance and PPP. 

3:30 - The team starts the convo by talking movies and Netflix series. Tim calls out KD on not watching Parasite - Turns out KD was thinking about a whole other movie with Kevin James. 

6:00 - Talking about Hulu and Netflix specials - KD even wrote about the Netflix American Factory docu-series. 

9:20 - Tim brings up the elephant in the room, Unemployment and the broken system of unemployment insurance. What are other countries doing that the US isn't? He also brings up PPP - the US Payroll Protection Program.

12:15 - Jlee and Tim talk about the differences between states on the unemployment savings account weekly payouts. 

15:25 - Is unemployment a forced savings plan? KD talks about loving it on the broad level brochure, compares the plan to social security and it's struggles + the start of the new recession era.

21:00 - Tim talks worker bias. If you're going to work, and someone else is unemployed and getting benefits - are we jealous? Paying into a system for something we aren't receiving can be discouraging. 

23:15 - Jlee says Tim is sounding like Andrew Yang with the concept of universal income. Regardless, this era will be challenging future changes in the UBI realm. 

28:45 - How people should handle receiving the PPP through the CARE Act - are some of your employees making more on unemployment? 

31:00 - KD brings up that using the PPP doesn't always make the most sense. With restaurants and service base industries how does bringing back workers work when there's no business? 

33:05 - Tim talks about the tax, health insurance and other complications with folks choosing unemployment vs. being rehired

35:15 - The team talks about how fast everything has been moving, even for federal government - but with speed comes some issues and misses.

39:30 - Closing it out by touching back on the more lighthearted Netflix watches. 

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Apr 26, 2020
11 - The Future is $99/Month HR Managers (and thy stripper name shall be...)
39:36

It’s episode 11 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Tim Sackett and Kristian Dunn kill some more time by recording a new episode on the pod (of course trying to flatten the curve in their respective isolation pods) focused on what virtual HR looks like today – including what kind of HR services you can get for $99/month. Plus there’s some stripper name talk too.

Show Highlights:

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1:42 – Jessica calls Tim sexy, or at least she calls his voice that, while he proceeds to completely pass on the compliment and instead complain about back to back conference calls followed by hating on Kris’ deck, which he sure seems to be jealous of. Not the first time he’s talked about Kris’ deck. Sounds like it’s gonna be a really good episode.

3:13 – The crew takes a cue from John Krasinski of The Office fame and channels some of his Some Good News goodness – at which point KD shares that his house looks more like Lord of the Flies with nearly grown children fighting over Corn Nuts. Just kidding. The real good news is that his boys are home and bonding. Sacks meanwhile shares that his team is finding the purple squirrels. They exist. They can be found.

6:06 – JLee humbly admits that she has finally – nearly 20 years into her career – mastered VLOOKUPs in Excel and shares that she and hubby have come to an agreement to FINALLY allow for some food delivery to start happening in their household.

7:46 – On to the real topic. Wait for it. JLee gets an ad on her FB feed and it’s for… drumroll…  get your very own HR manager for $99/month via an L.A. based startup, Bambee.

10:26 – Tim reveals the truth about Bambee. These aren’t HR managers who are on the other end of the phone line providing consultation to Bambee’s clients. (And no, they aren’t strippers either.) These are life insurance sales people disguised as HR relationship / account managers.

12:40 – KD breaks down the model. They start with offering a baseline of HR services targeting SMBs that maybe just to start have an HR coordinator who can also do payroll. At 100+ employees, bigger needs obviously develop and that’s when you can’t leverage Bambee anymore. But Sacks thinks there’s no way there’s any value to be gained from a service that’s $99/month regardless of your company size.

15:15 – JLee gets more curious about who exactly these HR managers are that Bambee is hiring and finds a single job posting for the job. It turns out you have to manage 200 clients at a time in addition to the upsell work they do on the life insurance and training services the company also offers. But look, they have a really good Glassdoor rating as JLee finds. People are happy to work there.

19:29 – The crew exposes the fallacy of Bambee, especially in this era of the Rona – virtual, remote HR services yet they require their HR managers to work on-site.

23:00 – KD prophesizes that virtual is the future and the world will be moving to being employed outside of your metro area. Which gets the group talking about what the true value of HR is, and what it then means to deliver HR in a remote environment.

27:50 – A new business idea emerges. It turns out the crew actually not-so-secretly loves the Bambee model but just with higher end remote resources. They struggle with what to call it though. There’s got to be an available stripper name out there though. JLee quickly moves away from sharing too much about their next business venture and seeks out some advice from the guys.

31:22 – Kristian Dunn the life coach offers JLee some advice on how to influence and lead in these times when we’re virtual and remote. He also proceeds to pronounce “Marriott” the right way. It rhymes with “chariot” folks. And Sacks comes back around to Bambee again and the value of the service and wants in on the biz.

37:00 – The guys land on a stripper name that they’ll call their next biz. Wait for it. Welcome to the stage… (you have to listen to hear it).

39:00 – KD wisely shares that he knows enough to not ask what’s for dinner. Especially if it’s chips and dip again.

Apr 19, 2020
10 - Unlimited PTO vs Accruals – Which is Better?
38:51

In Episode 10 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn get together to discuss how COVID-19 has changed their daily life, the Cuomo brothers and work-life balance. Tim wants to talk about PTO: accrual vs. unlimited. What’s better? There are different answers with many variables…

The gang continues to talk about how PTO will be molded by the COVID-19 crisis with Kris wondering if unlimited PTO might attract the “average” performers. The team closes by talking about the differences in how different types of employees want their PTO and Tim brings up the demise of the Unlimited PTO plan.

Show Highlights:

1:56 – Tim brings up the question “How your life was pre-coronavirus vs. now – what’s the percentage?” He says he has had a 50-60% change where Jlee has had nearly a 90% change, drinking more and bonding with family.

4:05 - KD talks about how he isn’t doing anything. He’s going on a run sometimes and avoiding people as much as possible. He’s also being a little more introspective. Tim calls KD out on his new deck-lifestyle with the cat.

7:00 – KD hits the cancel culture with a “BACK OFF” and brings up the Cuomo Brothers (recently featured in a POLITICO article , since Chris Cuomo has the coronavirus but is still doing shows from the basement. Where’s our work-life balance? Is he a bad example? JLee says haters are going to hate, and maybe he should use that sick leave – but he’s doing a service to the people by showing them what COVID-19 looks like. POLITICO is just hating.

12:10 – There’s rarely a moment where someone reaches the top without outworking someone. KD calls out the bullsh*t – for everyone, you have to put in the work and people who don’t work as hard, can’t expect the same results. You have to grind it out. Shout out to Chris Cuomo.

14:47 – Tim brings up unlimited PTO vs Accruals – you’re not going to be using 4 months of PTO, but what would win if you had to choose? Would more people choose the unlimited plan?

18:26 – KD says the answer is different pre and post COVID-19. Tim brings up that HR pros have different opinions than the majority of workers.

22:15 – KD likes a system where you use it or lose it for your vacation time – but sick leave can be rolled over for extended sick leave, extended maternity leave, etc. It’s important for major medical! Jlee kind of agrees but when she was younger, she banked those days for an unused PTO pay out.

25:03 – Tim says PTO will be shaped by COVID, because people may stop coming to work sick. Hybrid PTO packages might be in our future…

28:00 – KD challenges Jlee – what plans would workers select, if they could? Jlee says, there’s no way it’s a one size fits all.

31:20 – KD asks Tim, “What plan will the top performer select?” Tim says unlimited, but Jlee and KD say no – KD says the real answer doesn’t matter because the best managers treat their high performers different.

34:48 - Jlee and KD talk about accruals being preferred over unlimited because sometimes, you don’t want anyone to call you and you want the official day off.

38:50 – The team closes it out with their final comments and how unlimited PTO just might go away post-coronavirus.

Resources:

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Apr 12, 2020
9 - HR Leaders: 1 is the Loneliest Number
30:48

In Episode 9 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee and Tim Sackett (Temporarily “Furloughed” from HR Famous, KD) come together and talk about what it’s like to be an HR Leader during the COVID-19 Crisis.

The team talks about how home/work life has changed for them the last month and the importance of finding your support system. We acknowledge the challenges up ahead for HR leaders and look to past experiences during times of crisis. Listen as the team discusses how industries are relying on each other, the birth of “Gen C” and how to implement fluid strategies during constant change.

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1:30 - Jessica is Back! Kris is now furloughed and Tim and JLee talk about how young they look! Tim says we hate hiring two types of people: Old people and Fat people!

4:00 – Things the bug you about your WFH partners! JLee dishes on what bugs her most about BobbyJ, and Tim shares an amazing drink recipe. Tim found out his house isn’t big enough for WFH for him, since the rest of his family already took all the good spots!

9:00 – What’s it like to be an HR Leader in the world of COVID? JLee believes being an HR leader today can be lonely and isolating when we are dealing with so much heavy stuff. So, Tim and JLee talk through how do we support each other and find coping mechanisms. Everyone thinks HR knows the plan, which adds so much stress to us and our teams. Tim comes clean that he and KD talk every day!

13:10 – It’s okay to be human during a crisis in HR. It’s super hard to prepare for the crap side of HR. Laying folks off, delivering bad news, etc. We all love the great side of HR, but the last decade has made most of us forget about the bad side of HR. Tim gives stories from the trenches when he was considered the Grim Reaper!

17:25 – All Industries rely on each other in times of crisis. The big question is do we become more global or less global from the fallout of all of this. We rely on other countries for so much, but we now know we might need some America-based supply chains to protect ourselves in major crisis.

19:38 GenC is created! We are now calling kids who grow up during Coronavirus times – GenC’s! Tim talks about how his GenZ sons are graduating college in a bad economy and how that has a real impact for those kids who went through primary school during the Great Recession and now come out to the real work world during a pandemic.

23:15 – Fluidity with how you lead. In times of crisis we still need to plan, but you better be fluid with those plans because the only thing we know right now about leadership is as soon as you think you have it down, things will change!

25:15 – Tim gives a shout out to friend of HR Famous Trish McFarland! Introverts you need to contact your extroverted friends and make sure they’re doing okay, and JLee tells Tim he needs to watch Tiger King on Netflix!

Apr 05, 2020