Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

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Navigating the depths of the enneagram, one fathom at a time.

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Finale | Season 2 Q & A
56:12

In our Season 2 Finale, the Seths and Drew take a trip down memory lane and reflect on the many depths explored. Then, with some help with our friends Lee Fields and Milton Stewart we answer listener questions. And finally, the guys celebrate a major podcast milestone complete with a roast from our good friend Kevin Smith. 

 

We’re already scheming on Season 3. What would you like us to cover? Let us know and thanks so much for listening! 

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. 

 

  • Our Season 2 highlights [1:30]
  • Listener questions with special guest Lee Fields [9:30]
    • Q: As a type 9, how do I find my voice in conflict? [10:20]
    • Q: How should I use the enneagram while I don’t know my number? [15:15]
  • Listener questions with special guest Milton Stewart [20:30]
    • Q: How can life experience, circumstances, or environment impact Type? [21:27]
    • Q: Is it common for countertypes to not experience the typical childhood for their type? [28:45]]
  • We reached 100K [nay, 110k] downloads!!! [38:30]
  • Kevin Smith gets off his couch to roast us [39:20]
  • Kevin explodes our brains in a few minutes’ time [45:50]
  • Kevin announced the launch of our new product line, “Fathoms Elite, Fathoms Elite Plus, Fathoms Elite Plus Plus” [54:30]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
  • Follow Kevin: @dialecticspace
  • Follow Milton: @doitforthegrampodcast
  • Follow Lee: @enneagrammatic
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Apr 22, 2021
Meditation | A Walking Meditation
24:56

Take a calming, grounded journey in nature with Creek and enjoy this walking meditation. This is 25 minutes well spent.

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open.

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Apr 15, 2021
BONUS | A Conversation with Enneagram Magazine
30:58

Surprise! Enjoy this bonus episode with our friends Bekah TenHaken and Molly Tindall, the creative and kind geniuses behind Enneagram Magazine. Enneagram Magazine is a bold, profound, and beautiful contribution to today’s enneagram landscape. Thanks to Bekah and Molly for joining us to talk about it! And use the code: “FATHOMS” for 10% off your Enneagram Magazine order! 

  • About Bekah & her enneagram origin story [1:45]
  • About Molly & her enneagram origin story [4:45]
  • Their enneagram elevator pitches [8:00]
  • The heart behind Enneagram Magazine [10:40]
  • In the current glut of enneagram content, what makes this mag unique? [13:15]
  • A rundown of currently available issues [17:10]
  • Why Drew can’t take Enneagram Magazine issues out of the house [18:15]
  • A preview of the current issue: JUSTICE…and why it’ll ruffle some feathers [20:00]
  • The story of this year’s 4 issue series: Soil [Justice], Seed [Health], Plant [Endeavor], Fruit [Wonder] [25:28]

 

Follow Enneagram Magazine:

  • www.enneagrammagazine.com 
  • Use the code “FATHOMS” for 10% off. 
  • Insta: @enneagrammagazine

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. 

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Apr 08, 2021
Fathom 15 | Listener Question: Annie F. Downs
35:48

In this Fathom 15, the Seths and guest co-host Lindsey Marks talk briefly with one our listeners, author/podcaster/speaker and loud laugher Annie F. Downs. Annie is a is a dominant Type 7 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “As a Type 7 with a strong 8 wing, how can I better relate to other numbers?” 

 

  • Abram’s take on how to consider the wings [8:50]
  • Lindsey on how the 7’s harmony triad can help [12:45]
  • How the lines connected to the 7 can help. [15:20]
  • Re: expectations of being a female 7 [18:00]
  • How teaching the enneagram can perpetuate others’ expectations of Type 7 [19:30]
  • The difference between being free and available [24:00]
  • Annie, half-joking: “What number should I be dating?” [28:45]

 

Follow Annie:

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. 

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Apr 01, 2021
Meditation | Repeating Question for the Centers
09:11

While talking with Lynda Roberts, we also recorded a bonus meditation to share with you. Before you listen, grab a pen/pencil and a piece a paper, hit play, and engage this brief meditation focusing on a repeating question for each intelligence center. 

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Lynda and her work: 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

 

 

Interview | Understanding the Inner Critic with Lynda Roberts [Season 2, Episode 22]

In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with one of our enneagram teachers, Lynda Roberts (Type 6). Lynda is an authorized Enneagram Institute teacher, former president of the Intl. Enneagram Association, and brings a wealth of enneagram experience and has some important wisdom on the inner critic of each type.  

  • Lynda’s enneagram journey [3:40]
  • Lynda’s enneagram elevator pitch [7:00]
  • When it’s ok to start teaching and coaching the enneagram [9:50]
  • Lynda’s experience as a Type 6 [11:20]
  • The type of enneagram work Lynda is doing now [14:30]
  • Lynda’s experience as IEA president [16:45]
  • The Diamond Heart approach - What is it? [19:20]
  • The inner critic (it’s not just about Type 1!) [24:15]
  • Where the inner critic comes from [26:40]
  • The difference between inner critic vs. inner conscience [29:30]
  • What to do with your inner critic [31:10]
  • The Welcoming Prayer [36:50]
  • The inner critic for each enneagram type [39:30]
  • Where to find Lynda [53:30]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Lynda and her work: 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Mar 26, 2021
Interview | Understanding the Inner Critic with Lynda Roberts
56:11

In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with one of our enneagram teachers, Lynda Roberts (Type 6). Lynda is an authorized Enneagram Institute teacher, former president of the Intl. Enneagram Association, and brings a wealth of enneagram experience and has some important wisdom on the inner critic of each type.  

  • Lynda’s enneagram journey [3:40]
  • Lynda’s enneagram elevator pitch [7:00]
  • When it’s ok to start teaching and coaching the enneagram [9:50]
  • Lynda’s experience as a Type 6 [11:20]
  • The type of enneagram work Lynda is doing now [14:30]
  • Lynda’s experience as IEA president [16:45]
  • The Diamond Heart approach - What is it? [19:20]
  • The inner critic (it’s not just about Type 1!) [24:15]
  • Where the inner critic comes from [26:40]
  • The difference between inner critic vs. inner conscience [29:30]
  • What to do with your inner critic [31:10]
  • The Welcoming Prayer [36:50]
  • The inner critic for each enneagram type [39:30]
  • Where to find Lynda [53:30]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Lynda and her work: 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Mar 25, 2021
Fathom 15 | Listener Question: Knowing & Growing with Type
20:26

In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one of our listeners in Malaysia, Chin Ai. Chin Ai is a Dominant Type 3 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “How do you draw the line between letting your type and dependencies become a self-fulfilling prophecy and proactively moving away from your type’s tendencies in a healthy and sustainable manner?”

 

  • Abram (Dominant Type 9] on using the surface awareness of the tool, using that knowledge to become who you truly are and why a practice like meditation is vital. [07:15]
  • Drew [Dominant Type 3] on viewing type as the trailhead, the two paths that await you  at the trailhead and why choosing your path is the most important first step. [9:40]
  • Creek [Dominant Type 4] on stepping into more of your true identity and less identifying with your ego patterns. [11:55]
  • The Abram quote generator: “You cannot give up anything unless you know what it is and to discover who you are, you must first discover who you are not.” [14:59]
  • Chin Ai on how she’s working through this with her Enneagram work. [14:52]

Follow Chin Ai on Instagram: @ennethistogether

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs are open. 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Mar 18, 2021
Interview | Addiction, Recovery & The Enneagram with Michael Naylor
01:08:43

In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and addiction expert Michael Naylor (4w5). Michael was kind enough to join us from his home in Portland, Maine and talk to us about the intersection of personality and addition. Michael is a wise soul with a wealth of insight. Enjoy! 

  • A bit about Michael and his enneagram origin story [3:40]
  • Michael’s enneagram elevator pitch [7:30]
  • In Michael’s opinion, the greatest myth about the enneagram [8:15]
  • Creek goes to therapy with Michael [9:40]
  • One of Michael’s favorite transformation stories working with clients in addition and recovery [12:35]
  • Michael’s definition of ‘addiction’ and the enneagram’s levels of health [18:40]
  • Re: quality of presence and level of addition [25:00]
  • Michael’s take on connecting certain additions with certain types [29:00]
  • Re: enneagram type, genetics, and addiction [30:50]
  • The psychic structure and personality type [33:40]
  • How to help the types see more clearly [44:00]
  • Creek goes back to therapy with Michael [47:00]
  • The process of recovery [53:25]
  • Lessons for the types about recovery (even if they aren’t in recovery) [55:45]
  • Advice for those who may need help [1:01:45]
  • Michael’s lessons from his own recovery journey [1:03:30]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Michael and his work : 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Mar 11, 2021
Fathom 15 | Listener Question: 3-Centered Presence
16:01

In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners in Zambia (but from Zimbabwe), Stacey Madgwick. Stacey is a dominant Type 4 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What does it look like for you to be present in your life in all 3 Centers of Intelligence (Body, Heart, Mind)?” 

 

  • Abram (Dominant Type 9] on reducing reactivity, not forcing the type’s agenda, being present to real peace amid the disruption  [2:05]
  • Drew [Dominant Type 3] on being fully present at home and work, needing to slow down, remembering to breathe, grounding.  [3:55]
  • Creek [Dominant Type 4] on starting with the body, staying with sensation, inquiring about discomfort, and the fullness of now. [7:00]
  • Stacey on letting the heart speak. [9:50]
  • The Abram quote generator: “The body is the beach to get to the the ocean that is the heart.”[10:55]
  • Stacey’s close encounters with lions. [11:10]

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. 

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Mar 04, 2021
Interview | The Trance of Type with Tom Condon (Part 2)
51:55

As promised, here’s Part 2 of our conversation with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. We said it before and we’ll say it again: If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. In this episode we dig into some of the depths of each enneagram type. Enjoy!

  • The hypnotic “trance” of our type [0:55]
  • Age regression and age progression [6:15]
  • Trances and group dynamics [11:00]
  • Creek asks Tom to tell a joke…and it’s glorious [22:15]
  • How the enneagram community has changed and evolved during Tom’s career [23:15]
  • “The enneagram is easy to learn, difficult to master” [26:30]
  • Where Tom thinks the enneagram conversation is headed [29:40]
  • Tom’s initial encounter with the enneagram [36:15]
  • How to put the past to rest [40:15]
  • Tom’s experience with courage [43:45]
  • What Tom’s working on now [46:20]
  • Tom’s recommendations on learning more about NLP [48:00]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Tom and his work : 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Feb 25, 2021
Interview | The Trance of Type with Tom Condon (Part 1)
44:40

In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. There’s so much goodness in our conversation with Tom that we had to divide it up into two episodes. So enjoy Part 1 and stay tuned for Part 2 next week. 

 

  • Tom’s enneagram origin story [4:40]
  • Tom’s experience as a dominant Type 6 [6:40]
  • Bob Newhart and the enneagram [8:35]
  • Tom’s 4 methods for change [10:15]
  • On choosing which methods of change to apply [19:00]
  • “An enneagram style is like . . . “ [21:00]
  • The “Law” of Secondary Gains [23:05]
  • Type is like cauterizing a wound . . . [27:20]
  • Type specific examples [28:55]
  • RE: trauma and enneagram type [34:55]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Tom and his work : 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Feb 18, 2021
Fathom 15 | Listener Question: Habits & Patterns
12:38

In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners from “across the pond,” Stephen. Stephen is a dominant Type 8 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What role does enneagram type play in habit formation?” 

 

  • How does the enneagram differ from other typologies when it comes to understanding habits and patterns? [4:15]
  • Personality and potential [5:55]
  • Drew explains the origins of “piggybacking” [7:00]
  • Atomic Habits by James Clear [8:00]
  • Systems vs. goals [9:15]

 

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. 

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Feb 11, 2021
Interview | Type as a Verb with Mario Sikora (Part 2)
48:14

As promised, here is Part 2 with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. If you missed Part 1, go listen to it and then follow it up with this episode. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy!

 

  • Distinguishing between Russ Hudson’s instinctual zones and Mario’s zones [0:45]
  • The Preserving Domain and its subdomains [4:25]
  • The Navigating Domain and its subdomains [16:45]
  • A quick plug for Mario’s podcast, The Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast - The Enneagram in a Movie [20:30]
  • The Transmitting Domain and its subdomains [22:05]
  • Mario’s Awareness to Action approach to the enneagram [26:00]
  • Why change is so difficult [33:45]
  • Mario’s heart space advice for listeners [40:45]
  • Where to find Mario [45:45]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Mario and his work :

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Jan 28, 2021
Interview | Type as a Verb with Mario Sikora (Part 1)
01:07:56

Buckle up friends! This is Part 1 of a two-parter with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy and stay tuned for Part 2 next week! 

 

  • Abram sucks up to Mario [3:30]
  • Mario’s enneagram story and how he uses it in his work [4:45]
  • Why a lot of enneagram language isn’t suitable for the business world [8:50]
  • What enneagram ideas tend to create problems in the corporate setting [10:45]
  • How Mario explores the depths of the enneagram and maintain professional boundaries [14:00]
  • Mario’s approach to type as “emotional strategy” [18:00]
  • How Mario’s approach “lands” with clients [23:30]
  • Each type’s emotional strategy [24:50]
  • How to work with your type’s strategy [33:10]
  • “Clarifying the ego” [38:35]
  • Mario’s unique [heretical?] approach to the instincts [40:00]
  • Instinctual biases as verbs - [52:05]
  • The “patterns of expression” for the instinctual domains [55:30]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Ways to find Mario and his work : 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Jan 28, 2021
Fathom 15 | Typing Strategies
23:51

In this Fathom 15 episode, Drew and the Seths talk about enneagram typing. They cover how they each discovered their type and different typing strategies they recommend. This brief episode is perfect for any struggling to discover their dominant enneagram type. Listen and then go type thyself! 

 

  • Abram’s typing journey [1:45]
  • Creek’s typing journey [3:15]
  • Drew’s typing journey [4:10]
  • Why for some typing is so difficult [5:45]
  • Trait language vs. motivational language [10:10]
  • Our suggestions for typing [11:10]
    • Tests [13:00]
    • Typing interviews [16:10]
    • Reading books [20:18]
    • Listening to Sleeping at Last’s enneagram songs [20:45]
    • Typing cards [21:15]
  • Final tips [22:10]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Links: 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Jan 21, 2021
Interview | Neuroscience & the Enneagram
44:55

In this episode of Fathoms - An Enneagram Podcast, Creek and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and functional neurologist Dr. Jerome D. Lubbe. Jerome is an enneagram innovator and the author of The Brain-Based Enneagram: You Are Not A Number. We get into some really fun and interesting intersections of science and the enneagram, and also talk about some of Jerome’s innovative ideas with the enneagram. Buckle up, because this episode is FULL of fascinating content. 

 

  • Jerome’s fascinating story [3:00]
  • Why Jerome uses the enneagram in his clinical work [5:15]
  • Why Jerome thinks the enneagram symbol is upside-down [7:20]
  • The importance of a whole-person approach to the enneagram instead of stereotyping [8:45]
  • Jerome’s “efficiency” approach to the enneagram types. [12:00]
  • How Jerome uses the RHETI assessment to develop his Whole Identity profile [15:00]
  • The pushback Jerome’s received from his unique approach to the enneagram [22:30]
  • Why Jerome thinks the traditional enneagram symbol is upside down [26:00]
  • How the enneagram correlates with Executive Function Disorders [30:15]
  • How do the instincts show up in the brain? [35:30]
  • What Jerome’s working on right now [40:00]

 

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Follow Dr. Jerome’s work: 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Jan 14, 2021
Fathom 15 | Personality vs Personhood
17:55

Fathom 15 | Personality vs. Personhood.

What’s the difference between being a person and having a personality type? In this brief Fathom 15 episode, we talk about it.

 

  • We contain multitudes. [2:00]
  • You have a type. You are not your type.-Russ Hudson [4:35]
  • Regarding the language we use to describe type [6:30]
  • Knowing someone’s type doesn’t mean you know that person fully [9:00]
  • Fractals of type [10:00]
  • On whether or not we should share what our personality type is with others [14:30]

 

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Jan 07, 2021
Conversation | Grief, Hope, & Kindness with Leslie Hershberger
01:02:52

2020 was a dumpster fire, and we walk into 2021 with great expectations. On this New Year’s Eve, we offer to you a powerful conversation about this threshold from one year to the next with our dear friend Leslie Hershberger. It’s tempting to shake off the dust of this past year and never look back. Maybe there’s another way? 

 

  • How do we honor and integrate our pain and loss from this past year? [1:47]
  • James Finley: “Love doesn’t save us from suffering. But it does sustain us.” [15:15]
  • The threshold from 2020 to 2021 [29:50]
  • Hold the thing that is holding you back [31:50]
  • How do we look to and dream of the future without being attached to its outcomes? [33:25]
  • The difference between wise hope and clinging to an outcome [37:00]
  • How kids are natural mystics [47:00]
  • Morgan Harper Nichols on giving ourselves grace [50:45]
  • How do we continue to hold this tension through this new year? [51:30]
  • Wisdom from the Velveteen Rabbit [54:30]
  • With intention, live into what matters most in 2021 [56:15]
  • Not all contradictions are meant to be resolved. [58:30]

 

Follow Leslie’s work: https://lesliehershberger.com/ 

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

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Dec 31, 2020
Conversation | The Advent of Ourselves with Jason Adam Miller
47:42

Merry Christmas (Eve)! Tonight marks the end of Advent, and tomorrow begins Christmas-time! Enjoy this conversation with friend, pastor, and returning guest Jason Adam Miller of South Bend City Church. He shares with us a profound way to understand Advent in light of who we are…which leads us all to talk about the Advent of Ourselves for each Enneagram Type. 

 

  • The traditional 3 Advents [1:40]
  • “It’s true not just because it happened, but because it happens.” [2:40]
  • The ontology and the experience of Advent. [4:45]
  • Jason’s theory on Advent and the enneagram [7:00]
  • Applying Jason’s theory to each enneagram type [15:00]
  • Did Jason think we applied his theory well? [39:00]

 

Follow Jason’s: www.southbendcitychurch.com | Social media: @jasonadammiller 

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

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  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

Dec 24, 2020
Interview | Enneagram & Spirituality with Nhien Vuong
57:10

In this episode, we talk with enneagram teacher and ordained unity minister Rev. Nhien Vuong. Nhien is a dynamic and thoughtful teacher and helps us see the ways in which we “bond through pain is we show up the right way.” Soak in her wisdom and be sure to check out her work! 

 

  • Nhien’s story first encountering the enneagram [5:40]
  • The importance of being kind to yourself [9:00]
  • Nhien’s journey to self-compassion [10:05]
  • How Nhien uses the enneagram in her work [15:00]
  • Nhien uses Drew’s book in her work! [17:30]
  • Why Nhien refers to some of her work as “spiritual tutoring” [20:15]
  • On “bonding through pain is we show up the right way…”[22:45]
  • On the significance of her company’s name, Evolving Enneagram…[28:45]
  • The importance of being safe in learning communities [33:00]
  • 4s, 6s, 8s and their emotional realness [36:15]
  • Nhien’s definition of spirituality [39:10]
  • “We are spiritual beings having a human experience.”-de Chardin [44:45]
  • Sin vs. goodness [47:00]
  • Preaching what we practice [50:15]
  • Compassionately looking at your type [52:25]

 

Follow Nhien’s work: www.evolvingenneagram.com | Social media: @evolvingenneagram 

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

Dec 17, 2020
Fathom 15 | Enneagram Elevator Pitch
15:08

What if you were a). on an elevator, b). Someone you deeply admire and have always wanted to talked to joins you and c). Turns to you and asks, “What is the enneagram?”….what would you say? The Seths and Drew gave their attempts at their enneagram elevator pitches. 

 

  • Drew’s first attempt-“A framework of 9 pilgrimages of personhood…” [2:10]
  • Creek-“9 Different ways we are falling asleep…” [2:40]
  • Abram-“Ancient wisdom with modern psychology…” [3:55]
  • Abram-9 variation of the divine…” [5:20]
  • Drew-“9 psycho-spiritual strategies” [5:55]
  • Remember Leslie Hershberger “it’s both your obstacle and your opening to love…” [7:28]
  • When the enneagram comes up at parties [8:52]
  • The best conversations about the enneagram aren’t about the enneagram [10:10]
  • Not about the external…but internal practice [11:00]
  • “Your type shows up when you don’t”—Russ Hudson [12:14]
  • What to do if you can’t stop talking about the enneagram [13:30]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

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  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

 

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Dec 10, 2020
Interview | Narcissism & the Enneagram with Chuck DeGroat
46:41

Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram. 

 

  • Abram quotes Russ Hudson re: coddling our own narcissism [3:12]
  • The highlight of Chuck’s career [4:02]
  • When Chuck received the enneagram into his heart [6:15]
  • About Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church [8:00]
  • Chuck’s definition of narcissism [9:35]
  • On Narcissistic Personality Disorder [11:45]
  • Narcissistic style, type, and disorder [12:40]
  • Narcissism and success [14:55]
  • Epigenetics [15:33]
  • The difference between acting narcissistic and being a narcissist [16:30]
  • Having spiritual authority vs. being spiritually abusive [18:00]
  • The nine faces of narcissism [19:00]
  • The gift of healthy narcissism and original goodness [22:30]
  • Narcissism and the enneagram triads [26:00]
  • The concept of “splitting” and the path to transformation [30:25]
  • The importance of shadow work [33:00]
  • How we can use our narcissism to work towards healing and wholeness [34:47]
  • Co-dependence and narcissism [38:15]
  • Re: toxic positivity and toxic negativity [40:10]

 

Follow Chuck’s work at www.chuckdegroat.net

 

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
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  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

Dec 03, 2020
Meditation | Grateful Presence
18:32

Creek & Abram have a quick conversation about how to practically apply the things we talk about in the previous Thanksgiving episode (check your podcast feed). Creek then leads us in a meditation that no matter where you are, is exactly what you need. 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 26, 2020
Fathom 15 | The Work of Thanksgiving
23:38

In this Fathom 15, the guys provide a timely conversation for those celebrating Thanksgiving in the U.S. Holidays with family can be uniquely stressful, even more so amid a global pandemic. We hope this short episode helps you get through the day. If you need a break from the political debate, go find a quiet room and have a listen. 

 

  • On our own experiences around the Thanksgiving table [1:35]
  • 2 tools to help you through today: 1. Transcending and Including & 2. Family Systems Theory [3:40]
  • Going home can be a liminal space [6:40]
  • What we should do with tension [8:15]
  • The false binary of family debates [10:43]
  • Keep the long game in mind [12:20]
  • The importance of humility [13:00]
  • The difference between allowing and accepting [13:30]
  • Working towards a both/and [15:00]
  • On Fr. Rohr’s concept of image and likeness [16:30]
  • Encountering others and honoring the Imago Dei within [17:50]
  • Still set appropriate boundaries [18:45]
  • Check out our Season 1 Episode on Conflict Styles [21:40]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 26, 2020
Fathom 15 | The Depth We Need
19:29

In this Fathom 15, the Seths and Drew explore this season’s guiding question: “What is your unique contribution to the enneagram conversation that provides the depth we need in our present world?”

 

  • How this question is used in Season 2 [2:04]
  • How the enneagram helps us see ourselves and how it helps us see the world [2:46]
  • Solitary work that cannot be done alone [4:45]
  • If you don’t tell the truth about yourself, you can’t tell it about other people [5:30]
  • The enneagram and our post-truth age [7:15]
  • Our patterned centers of intelligence vs. reality [9:39]
  • What Abram did (and regrets) early in his marriage [10:55]
  • A practical half step to reverse engineering your enneagram type structure [12:32]
  • The importance of community [14:20]
  • Our type’s gifts and barriers [16:15]
  • Our world NEEDS our internal work to have external implications [17:23]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 19, 2020
Interview | Cultivating Open-Heartedness with Nan Henson
51:24

Drew and the Seths interview their teacher, the one and only Nan Henson. Nan is a master enneagram teacher based in Atlanta, Georgia. She’s one of a select few of  Enneagram Institute authorized teachers in the world. Nan is the founder of Enneagram Atlanta and co-founder of Enneagram Georgia. And you’ll want to stick around to the end of this episode, because Nan leads us through a brief and powerful meditation exercise. 

 

  • How Nan is continuing her enneagram teaching amid COVID-19 [3:20]
  • Nan’s enneagram origin story [4:41]
  • How long it took Nan to feel confident in her enneagram teaching [9:02]
  • Advice for stepping into something bigger than yourself [9:45]
  • As a Type 2, how Nan has learned to live from a more authentic sense of self [11:00]
  • Living in the heart [14:00]
  • How to cultivate the capacity for presence [16:45]
  • The difference between merely eliminating distraction and cultivating presence amid distraction [21:08]
  • How each enneagram type loses presence [22:45]
  • On the fear of living from a more authentic self [29:30]
  • Nan-wisdom on healing the heart [33:00]
  • The power of repeating questions practices to access the heart [37:10]
  • Relatedness vs. relationship [39:00]
  • Supporting others in their inner work [41:00]
  • Where to find Nan and a bit about her certification program [43:45]
  • Nan leads us through a closing meditation [46:45]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 12, 2020
Conversation | Season 2 Introduction
27:34

Conversation | Season 2 Introduction

Drew and the Seths spent a weekend at a cabin in the woods plotting and scheming their second season of Fathoms. They recorded a conversation to share what’s in store . . . 

 

  • An update on Creek & Drew’s quest to get Abram to move back to Indiana [0:25]
  • The guys talk about their favorite moments from Season 1 [1:21]
  • A confession: This is the first time all three co-hosts have been in the same physical location at the same time [4:10]
  • Where Season 2 is headed: SEASON 2 THEME! [6:15]
  • How they hope to share the mic this season [10:50]
  • Possible topics for Season 2 [12:30]
  • The guiding question for each episode of Season 2 [14:37]
  • What we “need” from enneagram wisdom right now. [16:40]
  • Levi Strauss - “Humanity ends at the borders of a tribe” [19:30]
  • Tribalism in the enneagram community [20:54]
  • Our need for individual and collective healing [22:28]
  • “Why you gotta make it weird?” [25:25]

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

  • Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 05, 2020
Fathoms | Season 2 Trailer
03:36

We are so excited to share Season 2 with you, complete with some of our favorite conversations and guests. Our first full length episode drops THIS THURSDAY, November 5, with new content every week through March 2021. Don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! 

 

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Music: “Mending” by Kazi Jay

 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

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  • Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
  • Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
  • Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
  • Follow Kazi: @kazi.jay

Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and ese code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]

Nov 03, 2020
Finale | Season 1 Q & A
01:02:20

To wrap up Fathoms’ first season, Abram, Creek, and Drew answer your questions! They cover a LOT of enneagram ground in this episode, and they call on some brilliant friends (and familiar voices to Fathoms listeners)  to help. Thanks so much for listening. Stay in touch, and stay tuned for next season! 

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Aug 06, 2020
Interview | Enneagram Of Discernment with Drew Moser
48:47

It’s here! It’s finally here! Today our very own Drew Moser’s book, The Enneagram of Discernment: The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, & Practice launches into the world. To celebrate, Abram and Creek interview (roast?) Drew all about the book: why he wrote it, the writing process, and what makes the book unique from ALL the other enneagram books out there. Congrats Drew! Dr. Chuck DeGroat calls The Enneagram of Discernment “one of the most significant contributions to Enneagram wisdom in my twenty plus years of studying it.”

Order your copy TODAY!

 

 “Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

Links: 

 

•Order your copy directly from the publisher , and use the code “enneagramlaunch” for a special launch week discount!

•Get the paperback from Amazon

•Or, if Kindle is your thing, you can get that here .

 

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·         Creek—Web: www.creekmoremusic.com ; Insta: @creekmoremusic

·         Drew—Web: www.drewmoser.com ; Insta: @enneagrammers ; Twitter: @drewmoser

 

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Aug 04, 2020
Conversation | Conflict Styles
32:15

Conflict is a part of life. In the default settings of out enneagram type, we too often encounter conflict in unhealthy ways. One of the lesser known triadic groups of the enneagram are the conflict styles. In this conversation, Abram, Creek, and Drew happen to each reside in a different conflict style. They introduce their conflict style, and talk about how we can better engage the conflict of life (and not avoid it).

 “Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

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Jul 30, 2020
KOTC | The Tree Enneagram
42:31

In this KOTC episode [KEVIN ON THE COUCH!], Creek and Drew talk again with Kevin Smith, who gives us a powerful example of a process approach to the enneagram; specifically, the enneagram of the tree. This is a very different approach to the enneagram, using the framework as a map of process rather than the more common enneagram of personality. If you can, listen to this episode outside in view of your favorite tree.  If you’ve never heard of this way of using the enneagram, don’t worry! Take what you know about each type and consider this process approach that puts the 9 points of the enneagram together in a journey.

 

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Jul 23, 2020
Fathom 15 | Identifying Gaps
19:08

In this Fathom 15, Abram and Drew talk about the importance of identifying gaps in our own knowledge. They reveal some initial results of Drew’s Enneagram Fluency Quiz, and offer their own approaches to learning and growth.

 

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Jul 21, 2020
KOTC | Gurdjieff: An Introduction with Kevin Smith
35:07

In this first installment of "Kevin on the Couch" our brilliant friend, Kevin Smith, gives a quick overview of the mysterious and somewhat controversial figure George I. Gurdjieff who played an integral part in the development of the Enneagram. Put on your thinking caps as we go to a deeper fathom than we've gone before.

 

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Jul 16, 2020
Fathom 15 | A New Now
08:29

Creek leads us in a small reflection about our patterns and how our attempt to return to normal is often just our inability to see, experience and accept what is actually happening now.

 

“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

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Jul 14, 2020
Fathom 15 | Disappointment
15:17

This is the feel good conversation we’ve all been waiting for. In this Fathom 15, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about something we’ve all experienced this year: disappointment. When we experience disappointment, our type often shows up in full force. With attention and intention, our experiences of disappointment can be invitations to awareness, growth, and change.

 

“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

Links: 

  • Byron Katie’s 4 questions.
    • Is it true?
    • Can you absolutely know that it’s true?
    • How do you react and what happens when you believe that thought?
    • Who would you be without that thought?
  • Submit a question for our upcoming Q & A Episode! You can record your question on Speakpipe:www.speakpipe.com/fathomspodcast OR you can send us a DM on our Instagram account:@fathoms.enneagram

 

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Jul 07, 2020
Interview | Systemic Racism & Systematic Work with Milton Stewart
47:05

Interview | Systemic Racism & Systematic Work with Milton Stewart

 

In this crucial conversation, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and podcaster Milton Stewart about systemic racism and the need for each of us to do our inner work in order to be about the outward change we want. We cover a lot of ground: double consciousness, code switching, spiritual and racial bypassing, and more. Milton is a wise soul, and is a profound voice in the enneagram community. Please check out Milton’s podcast, Do It For the Gram.

 

“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

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Books:

  • White Fragility, by Robin DiAngelo and Michael Eric Dyson
  • The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby
  • I’m Still Here by Austin Channing Brown
  • Between the World and Me, by Ta-Nehisi Coates
  • How to Be An Anti-Racist, by Ibram X Kendi

 

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Jul 02, 2020
Fathom 15 | Lines
18:44

In this Fathom 15, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about the interconnected lines in the enneagram framework. They discuss the cool math behind the lines, the prominent theories regarding the lines and how to work with the lines.

 

“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

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Jun 30, 2020
Fathom 15 | Sourcing Resources
15:58

In this short episode, Creek and Drew talk about some of their favorite enneagram resources, specifically those that are lesser known. For the sake of time, we left out a lot of great resources, so be on the lookout for another resource episode in the future.

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“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

 

Books (Abram’s recommendations included!)

  • The Art of Typing by Ginger Lapid-Bogda
  • The Wisdom of the Enneagram by Don Riso and Russ Hudson
  • Discover Your Soul Potential by Kathy Hurley & Theodorre Donson
  • The Enneagram: Understanding Yourselves and the Others in Your Life by Helen Palmer
  • The Essential Enneagram by David Daniels and Virginia Price
  • An Introduction to the Enneagram - Jerome Wagner
  • Emotions and the Enneagram - Margaret Frings Keyes
  • From Fixation to Freedom - Eli Jaxon-Bear
  • Facets of Unity - A.H. Almaas
  • Deep Living - Roxanne Howe-Murphy
  • Enneagram Spirituality - Suzanne Zuercher
  • Ennea-Type Structures - Claudio Naranjo
  • Roaming Free Inside the Cage by William M. Schafer
  • The Enneagram Triads, by Dick Wright
  • Spiritual Dimensions of the Enneagram, by Sandra Maitri
  • And (of course), The Enneagram of Discernment by Drew Moser, Ph.D.

Podcasts (Abram’s recommendations included)

  • Do it for the Gram by Milton Stewart
  • “That Sounds Fun” Ennea-Summer series” with Annie F. Downs- coming July '20
  • Exploring the Enneagram with Dr E (Deborah Egerton)
  • The Evolving Enneagram interspiritual podcast
  • The Art of Growth
  • Love Thy Neighborhood presents The Enneacast
  • The Enneagram & Coffee by Sarajane Case
  • Conscious Construction, by Abi Robbins
  • The Real Enneagram, by Dr. Joseph Howell
  • Heart of the Enneagram
  • EnneaCan
  • Enneagram 2.0 by Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Pais

 

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Jun 23, 2020
Conversation | Meditation 101
43:13

In this episode, Abram and Creek introduce and discuss meditation. What is it? Why is it important? How do you practice it? They help us realize how simple, and yet profound, paying attention to the present can be.  Enjoy this episode, and then go on a slow walk and practice it!

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Jun 18, 2020
Fathom 15 | The Two Sides of Emotion
13:44

In this Fathom 15, Abram and Creek talk about the dominant emotion of each intelligence center within the enneagram framework.  Our dominant emotions can be impairments or invitations. How do you see Anger, Sadness/Shame, or Fear in your life? What are these emotions trying to tell you?

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Jun 16, 2020
Meditation | Listening
20:20

In this Fathom 15, Creeks leads us in a meditation exercise on listening. When we are overwhelmed by all that’s happening in our neighborhoods, our countries, and this world, one thing we can always do is LISTEN.

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Jun 09, 2020
Bonus | Enneagram of Discernment Book Tease
16:50

In this BONUS Fathom 15, Creeks talks with Drew about his soon-to-be-released book, The Enneagram of Discernment: The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice. The book officially drops on June 23, so consider this a preview. Drew talks about who the book is for, and shares a few insights into writing about the enneagram and what’s unique about THIS book amid the sea of other enneagram books out there.

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Jun 04, 2020
Fathom 15 | 9 Stages of Enneagram Learning
11:45

Amid our nation’s current crisis, words fail…but still matter. In this Fathom 15, Drew begins with a few words about the tragic death of George Floyd, and then outlines the 9 Stages of Enneagram Learning. Consider this a brief addendum to our previous episode on “Personality. Potential. Practice.” It we are going to change, we each must get beneath and through the confines of our personality type and work towards wholeness and connectedness.

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“Anti-racist work IS enneagram work”—Abi Robbins

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Jun 02, 2020
Conversation | Personality. Potential. Practice.
52:26

In this episode Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about the beautiful and brutal journey of getting beneath PERSONALITY and living into our POTENTIAL by adopting PRACTICES for growth and transformation. ALSO: We announce an exciting giveaway, complete with not one, but THREE prizes!

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May 28, 2020
Fathom 15 | Wings
13:20

Fathom 15 | Wings

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Welcome to our second installment of (roughly) 15 minute conversations on an enneagram-related topic. In this “Fathom 15” Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about the enneagram concept of WINGS. What are they? Are they important? We introduce some various theories on the wings, and then talk about our own personal experience with wings.

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May 26, 2020
Interview | Type Formation & Communication with Deborah Ooten
01:02:53

In this episode we talk with the brilliant Dr. Deborah Ooten. We cover a wide range of topics: the enneagram and children, how personality type forms, and (FINALLY) we go around the horn with Dr. Ooten to learn about verbal and nonverbal cues for each type.

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May 21, 2020
Fathom 15 | Memes
17:10

Welcome to our first installment of (roughly) 15 minute conversations on an enneagram-related topic. In this “Fathom 15” Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about the promise and peril of enneagram memes. We talk about how memes can help and harm (specifically regarding the need for inclusion), and what role they should (or shouldn’t) play in our enneagram learning and growth. We also pick a meme for each of our dominant types and talk about what the meme gets right and wrong.

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May 19, 2020
Interview | Working with Type with Leslie Hershberger
59:43

In this episode we interview the brilliant and winsome Leslie Hershberger, an enneagram teacher with decades of experience. Leslie talks about her own encounters with the enneagram, how she uses the enneagram in her work with clients and students, and the difference between entertainment, information, and transformation. Enjoy this masterclass in how to deepen your work with the enneagram.

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“Wisdom isn’t knowing more. It’s knowing with more of you.”—Cynthia Bourgeault

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May 14, 2020
Meditation | Experiencing Differentiation
17:58

In this surprise bonus episode, Creek leads us through a brief meditation, set to music, on what it means to experience life rather than just exist with it...especially during these strange times. For this experience, we encourage you to take some time to slow down, get comfortable, be curious and simply notice.

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May 12, 2020
Interview | Holding Tension with Jason Adam Miller
01:05:49

"When our view of reality is challenged, it can be traumatic.” In this conversation, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk with Jason Adam Miller (aka “J”), Lead Pastor of South Bend City Church. He offers brilliant and accessible insight into the roles that faith, belief, and tension play in life and encountering the enneagram. In this interview, Jason conveys a wise and caring way of holding space for doubt, tension, and questioning while still offering hope. [He also talks about pastoring a congregation amid this current wave of enneagram popularity.]

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Quote: “The only thing stronger than fear is curiosity” –Smallfoot (Film)

Quote: “We labor unceasingly to adorn and preserve this imaginary existence and neglect the real” –Blais Pascal

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May 07, 2020
Conversation | Ego & Essence
50:21

Diving right in, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk about the often used, but rarely understood concepts of “ego” and “essence” in the enneagram system. In this episode, they explore:

  • What is an ego? What is essence?  How can we understand these important but confusing concepts?
  • What roles do ego and essence play in the enneagram?
  • Resources to dig deeper

 

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Apr 30, 2020
Bonus | COVID-19
16:46

In this mini-episode, Abram, Creek and Drew talk about the current COVID-19 pandemic, anxiety, hoarding, isolation, and how the wisdom of the enneagram can help us during this crisis. Since we recorded this episode in mid-March 2020, the pandemic has only intensified here in the U.S. As the situation becomes urgent and dire, please stay safe everyone!

 

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  • Blaise Pascal – “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”
  • Pema Chodron -- “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”

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Apr 17, 2020
Introduction | What To Expect
44:42

Before we dive into the depths of the enneagram, Abram, Creek, and Drew introduce themselves and talk about the enneagram. Specifically:

  • Our enneagram origin story.
  • What fascinates us about the enneagram and what irks us about it.
  • What’s beneath the surface of the current enneagram conversation.
  • What to expect from this podcast…and more!

 

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Apr 17, 2020
Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast - Trailer
03:35

Introducing Fathoms: An Enneagram Podcast, a series of conversations about the depths of the enneagram. Hosted by enneagram teachers Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, and Drew Moser, this podcast explores the depth and complexity of our inner landscapes, one fathom at a time. Be on the lookout for conversations, interviews, & meditations.

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Music: “Bird,” by Kazi Jay

Editing/Production: Seth Creekmore

Audio Submissions by: Sarah Mickens, Hannah Schonewill, Jenni Schut, Lee Fields (Thanks friends!)

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Apr 16, 2020