Season 2 of American Muslim Project kicks off with Sahar Aziz, Professor of Law and Chancellor's Social Justice Scholar at Rutgers University Law School. She is also the founding director of the interdisciplinary Rutgers Center for Security, Race, and Rights. Sahar joins AMP to talk about her new book, "The Racial Muslim: When Racism Quashes Religious Freedom." About the Book: "Why does a country with religious liberty enmeshed in its legal and social structures produce such overt prejudice and discrimination against Muslims? Sahar Aziz’s groundbreaking book demonstrates how race and religion intersect to create what she calls the Racial Muslim. Comparing discrimination against immigrant Muslims with the prejudicial treatment of Jews, Catholics, Mormons, and African American Muslims during the twentieth century, Aziz explores the gap between America’s aspiration for and fulfillment of religious freedom. With America’s demographics rapidly changing from a majority white Protestant nation to a multiracial, multireligious society, this book is an in dispensable read for understanding how our past continues to shape our present—to the detriment of our nation’s future." Visit the Center for Security, Race, and Rights: https://csrr.rutgers.edu/ Buy the book at the University of California Press: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520382299/the-racial-muslim Or at Barnes and Noble: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-racial-muslim-sahar-f-aziz/1139114859 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we’re joined by Babur Ilchi, program director at Campaign for Uyghurs, which works to promote and advocate for the human rights and democratic freedoms of the Uyghurs and other Turkic people in East Turkistan. Born in Hotan, China, and now living in Canada, Babur is unable to visit the grave of his grandfather, who died shortly after being released from an internment camp, or even talk to family there. He hasn’t been to his hometown since 2015. Babur defines the region in question for us, including its recent history, geography, proper pronunciation, and people, who are predominantly Muslim. We learn that since 2016/2017, the Chinese Communist Party has detained upward of 3 million Uyghurs, under the guise of what the state is calling reeducation camps providing vocational training and ensuring protection against Islamic terrorism. Starting with the replacement of Islamic symbols by communist propaganda and the rounding up of imams, this appalling humanitarian crisis initially began as religious and ethnic persecution. People were forced to renounce their identity, faith, and language while praising the Chinese President. The government then began systemically placing people in labor camps and prisons, where further abuses like brainwashing, torture, rape, forced abortions, and the sterilization of women are occurring. Even outside these camps there is heavy surveillance, checkpoints, the gathering of biometric date, and more sterilization. We ask why it’s taken so long for this crisis to be made public, and how we know what we know now, given the shroud of secrecy the government has enforced. We ask if the United States’ declaration of the abuse as genocide has set any relief in motion, and why certain other countries likely aren’t following suit (spoiler alert: it involves the economy, and possibly some of your favorite brands). Babur answers all of these questions and more about this horrific situation first-hand, while providing resources and things we can do to help, including calling for a boycott of the Beijing Olympics in 2022. Please educate yourself, whether here or elsewhere, and spread the word. Follow Babur and his nonprofit on Twitter @BaburIlchi and @CUyghurs and Instagram @baburilchi and @campaignforuyghurs. Babur also cohosts Tarim Talks, a podcast that shares the experiences of Uyghurs across the global diaspora. Please listen, write your Congressional rep, donate to groups doing advocacy, and pray, if you’re the praying sort, for these atrocities to end quickly. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we chat with Uzma Jafri, unapologetically Muslim podcaster, physician, and mother of four. Hosted by Uzma and her "second-generation friend," Zaiba, with the fellow first-born problem of having a lot to say, Mommying While Muslim is a weekly podcast about the challenges and opportunities encountered by Muslims raising kids in the United States. Started after Zaiba’s 14 year old was detained by airport security and online resources for advice were scarce, the moms address “the good, the bad, and the ugly of [Muslims] growing up pre-9/11, and then the good, the bad, and the really ugly that happened post-9/11.” They also cover bullying, prejudice, and feeling safe despite anti-Muslim hatred and negative portrayals of Islam, to inform the continual influx of American Muslim immigrants, among others. Naturally, we discuss podcasting—especially as it pertains to American Muslims—and their means of generating social change. The lack of realistic looks at religious and cultural practices like fasting and resources for non-religious Muslims is lamented. While her podcast resonates with other moms, it has also attracted a huge contingent of evangelical men, evidently; Uzma points to that universal attention that being a mom commands. Despite the fact that she proudly grew up in Houston and lives with her four American-born kids in Phoenix, Uzma didn’t realize she was American until age 35. She reveals her dad’s insistence that she was only Pakistani Muslim growing up, and Asad and her swap stories of “regular” things they weren’t allowed to do as kids. This leads to a discussion of experiences with sexual abuse, how no profession or attire is safe, and the threat it poses to her sons as much as her daughter. Discursions entail how everything we learned in the '80s was probably wrong and what to convey when your identity attracts attention. Check out the Mommying While Muslim podcast here or wherever you get your podcasts, and follow along on Instagram @mommyingwhilemuslimpodcast and Twitter @MWMPodcasting. Also find Uzma’s quips on culture, medicine, and politics on Twitter @ujafri24.American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC.Writer and Researcher: Lindsy GambleShow Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad ButtMusic by Simon HutchinsonHosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we’re joined by filmmaker and activist Iram Parveen Bilal. Her first feature film, a mystery thriller called Josh: Independence Through Unity, was Pakistan's first movie to be on Netflix. Her latest, I'll Meet You There, is a drama set in Chicago that covers intergenerational family conflict, the post-9/11 American Muslim experience, and disparately minded people trying to meet in the middle. Premiering digitally at SXSW last year (with no shortage of COVID snafus), the script is actually a decade-old project that was adapted as challenges were broached and her own reflections on life and society changed. Iram's currently working on a project about media influencers and women claiming space in both the physical and online worlds. Whether watching her films or interviewing her for a podcast, it’s clear that Iram is a natural storyteller. She draws us in with equal-parts compelling and disturbing anecdotes of a beautiful moment at a Muslim Ban protest, Patriot Act abuses, and real-life objections to scripts, such as the world can’t accept Muslim protagonists, this mosque seems too safe, and the FBI wouldn’t do that. We relate to the powerful perspectives that world travel can provide, recent moments of the American public making us proud—unlike those in power—and leaving a promising career to pursue a passion and fulfill a responsibility. Trump’s impact on the American Muslim community and growing Muslim representation in film are broached, as are investments for independent filmmakers, powerful biases in media and politics, and the cycle of centering white stories and actors. We can’t help but savor her assertion that it’s even hip to be Muslim now, while lamenting the fact that it’s taken this long for POC to feel seen. You can watch I'll Meet You There now from home (released in the Middle East as of tomorrow) and see the latest news @illmeetyoutherethefilm. Follow Iram on Instagram @irampbilalofficial, Facebook @iramparveenbilal, and Twitter @irampbilal for all her thoughts, nuanced characters, and dynamic works, old and new. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sara Minkara shares her remarkable journey a champion for disability inclusion. Imagine that the first time you meet someone, you’re in total darkness. Would you be more comfortable expressing yourself? Now turn the lights back on and think of a moment you’ve disempowered someone, intentionally or not. Learn why by asking yourself what identities you focus on when interacting and how you see your own self. These are the types of scenarios we discuss this week with Sara. A troublemaker intentionally disrupting the status quo, Sara is an advocate, entrepreneur, and educator who went blind at age seven. She is also a Muslim woman, meaning the assumptions people make about her are triple-fold—that she’s oppressed, suffering, and uneducated, for instance, when in reality she is bold, proud, and resilient. Sara has reached the point where she is candidly bringing her main identities forward to start a dialogue and decrease misunderstandings. She notes the blessing in not seeing people judging her that’s made her completely comfortable in her own skin. Thanks to her her faith, smarts, chutzpah, and the confidence instilled by her parents, Sara has founded two organizations. Her global nonprofit Empowerment Through Integration provides critical life-skills training to children with disabilities, who are often shunned and assumed to have no value. What started as an inclusive summer camp in Lebanon evolved into a mission to change the disability narrative on all fronts, taking the burden off parents and kids alone. The second, Sara Minkara, LLC, is a consultancy firm offering courses, workshops in the dark, and executive coaching to promote authentic leadership/culture by embracing disability and inclusion, the idea being that our true selves breed greater benefits for all. Sara states the startling statistic that one in five Americans has a disability (visible and invisible). We talk Lebanon versus U.S. stigmas, and how it’s not just ignorance but a mindset; examples involve COVID and apps. Treating those with disabilities as an afterthought means businesses here often miss out on 20% more potential customers, while society loses 20% more valuable contributing members. We consider how inclusion should merely be the baseline, and how to define value. Follow Sara and her companies on Twitter @sarasminkara and @ETIvision and Instagram @sarasminkara and @eti.vision. Watch the documentary she recommends, Crip Camp, and read our associated blog post on Rifelion. We acknowledge that we found 14 accessibility errors on the American Muslim Project website since Sara’s interview and are in the process of fixing them. You can and should test your own site’s accessibility here: https://www.deque.com/free-accessibility-test. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are joined by Executive Vice President Mir Ali of USHUB TV, a forthcoming streaming service explicitly for Muslim content in the United States. Growing up in the bubble of Southern California, Mir interacted with his predominantly non-Muslim community the only way he knew how—by showing that he was a friendly, typical, hard-working American first, then revealing his full identity once he’d been accepted. Like most all of our guests, it took effort to maintain his identit(ies) in these disparate circles. Though his passive approach may have successfully changed people’s mindsets about Muslims at the time, he’s now much more proactive. Tired of our mainstream media “really just messing up Muslim narratives,” Mir decided to take on a side hustle. What started as an idea for an American-based Muslim news station has now morphed into a full-fledged streaming channel delivering the varied, rich, and diverse stories that exist within the Muslim world. Not only will the channel, named USHUB TV, broach Muslim-centered topics; it will also feature work by Muslim directors, producers, and writers across the world. Mir explains the name, which is from the Arabic word aishab meaning friends and companions, and says it’s often butchered; Asad and Rifelion relate. Launching this fall, USHUB will stream Islamic news, TV series, documentaries, and even original content, by and large in English and from a culturally Muslim standpoint over religious. His goal, Mir says, is to provide really relatable and accurate portrayals, something he didn’t grow up with. Started by Gen Z and millennial founders, USHUB now comprises a team with unique talents, from tech to business to content creation, and a shared commitment to setting the record straight. We learn how Mir channeled his finance and real estate backgrounds into this new venture, and he provides advice about relationship building and how to create a phenomenal team. The motivation behind the project and the impetus for starting it now are discussed. He touches on the gravity of Muslims being favorably regarded in our country. And explains why he didn’t make a fellow Muslim friend until age 25. Subscribe to USHUB this fall to see their full line of content, including the films Valley of Saints, Bilal: A New Breed of Hero, The Drone and the Kid, and Marjoun and the Flying Headscarf. See previews, announcements, and their final launch date by following them on Instagram @ushub.tv and Twitter @ushubtv. And see what Mir is up to @mrmirali. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we invite founder and CEO of SiNON Therapeutics, Afreen Allam, to discuss the business world and her biotech start-up that's designing one pivotal particle. At 17, Afreen found herself publishing her first DNA sequence, and at 20, applying for her first patent—no big deal. We talk about how her passion was rooted in her 7.5-year stint as a Duke Cancer Center volunteer, which was alternately depressing and motivating. Her father permitted her to study abroad as a premed undergrad with three very specific conditions, and it was then that the nanoparticle for drug delivery was developed. While she loved the field of medicine, she felt she could make a bigger impact going into research, and thus ditched her (parents’) med school plans for business school. And that’s how her company SiNON got started. Currently they’re continuing the work on the nanoparticle that began when she studied abroad. She fills us in on a little stat—that only 2% of currently available drugs can pass through the blood-brain barrier (and schools us on just what the blood-brain barrier is). Meaning a targeted delivery tool to carry drugs from point A to B would be game-changing for neurological diseases. This could reduce dosing and side effects while improving efficacy, and be less damaging and more targeted than chemo for brain tumors, etc. The technology is in preclinical testing as SiNON raises money, hoping to license their technology to other pharmaceutical companies perhaps in late 2022. Asad and Afreen swap start-up stories. We touch on what it’s like being a double minority in the business and biotech worlds, and how it’s especially difficult to prove your point when you can’t raise the money to prove your point. She mentions the importance of connections, and how the Muslim community is lacking. Anecdotes of fellow students who’d “never seen a Muslim in their life other than Fox News,” a reproachful campus preacher, and a legit inquiry about her making bombs are shared. We end with inspiration for future female entrepreneurs and the source of her own. Learn more about SiNON Therapeutics' patented nanoparticle, the Carbon Dot, which looks to change the face of neurological diseases profoundly. And keep up with the latest news from Afreen @Afreen_Allam and the company @SiNONTP or @sinon_therapeutics. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Salman Hameed, teacher, host, gung ho astronomer, founder, and contagiously curious intellectual, is the type of refreshing science professor we wish we’d had in undergrad. He joins AMP to talk about religion versus science, astrology, and aliens. As a Hampshire College professor of integrated science and humanities and director of the Center for the Study of Science in Muslim Societies, Salman has taught classes ranging from "History and Philosophy of Science and Religion” to "Aliens: Close Encounters of a Multidisciplinary Kind.” It all started with a surreptitious viewing of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos: A Personal Voyage—which he mistook for science fiction at the time—and a prompt rejection of the traditional Pakistani path into medicine or engineering. (Admittedly we, too, were hooked by his description of how Cosmos compressed the history of the universe into one calendar year.) We delve into Salman’s recent four-year National Science Foundation study on the reception of biological evolution in different Muslim communities. Just as Muslims are not a monolith, their responses were not monolithic. He explains how political, cultural, and social factors all influence one’s stance, which surprisingly does not necessarily correlate to religiosity; sometimes a belief in evolution is even based on the Quran. Salman regales us with anecdotes about his American education, including his initial astonishment at how many students believed in UFOs and alien abductions (and just as alarming, creationism). Throughout his career he’s been most interested in why people believe what they do rather than debunking theories. He speculates about the attraction to astrology and we learn of ancient cities having horoscopes based on their founding date. This leads to a take on psychics, how they get into your head, and what role they play in society. Naturally we revisit aliens; Asad asks for, and receives, an emphatic answer about whether there are advanced life forms out there (with a three-part clarification)! Salman also states his opinion of the life forms behind the recent Pentagon and New York Times reports on UFOs. We end with a starkly un-unique American Muslim experience, then a superbly unique one involving the chaotic calculation of the new moon to determine when Eid would fall in Long Island. Salman is also the founder of Kainaat Studios, a nonprofit sharing the wonder of astronomy with the next generation in Pakistan by producing YouTube videos in Urdu. And listen to his podcast, Mr. Universe. Follow Salman on Twitter @salmanahameed. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we speak with Kashif Shaikh, co-founder and president of Pillars Fund, a nonprofit investing in American Muslim organizations, leaders, and artists to advance equity and inclusion. Pillars, founded in 2010, aims to take tangible actions to benefit American Muslim initiatives. But rather than supporting, say, mosques or overseas work, their projects often nurture local communities, well-being, and culture. Case in point, their recent pivotal study with the Ford Foundation and University of Southern California Annenberg, Missing & Maligned: The Reality of Muslims in Popular Global Movies. Kashif breaks down the unsurprising but nonetheless disheartening data from 200 top contemporary films across Western countries, revealing the erasure and demeaning portrayals of Muslims. Unlike former studies, which tend to be anecdotal, this project provides current hard statistics on the lack of female or African Americans, animated characters, or nonviolence in Muslim roles. A study on television characters will be next. Always working to be proactive rather than reactive, according to Kashif, Pillars has already begun communicating the findings to Hollywood studios, agencies, festivals, unions, and philanthropists, to name a few. We chat about the underlying meaning—the seeming unawareness even in progressive American communities that Muslims constitute one-quarter of the world’s population, or that Black Muslims helped shape Islam in this country (not to mention the country itself). Along with the data, Pillars has released The Blueprint for Muslim Inclusion, a concrete plan to remedy the inaccurate portrayal of Muslims in film and a fellowship to build a pipeline of Muslims in the industry. We segue into the root of Kashif’s own activism, which stems from not fitting into the traditional Muslim mold nor his predominantly white community, not to mention his deep affection for his “weird artist dad,” who emigrated from Pakistan to study art. Shout-outs for English majors, Brown rockers, and Muslim wrestlers ensue. Finally, we cover how terrorist tropes are not just tired but also have harmful real-life implications, and how money breeds influence. Kashif shares the powerful positive responses to the Pillars study, not to mention the general uptick in motivation post-Trump. We close with his vision of the American Muslim world in 18 months, and all the work left to do. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week’s special episode includes recommendations (and previously unreleased audio) from six past guests about who and what you should be following, listening to, watching, and reading. From episode 13’s Dr. Shaista Khilji, Pakistani-born George Washington University professor, prolific writer, and cofounder of the Humanizing InitiativeShaista’s recommended books: A Place for Us Caste Educated From episode 20’s Qasim Rashid, Pakistani American human rights lawyer, writer, political candidate, human rights activist, and author of the recent Hannah and the Ramadan Gift Qasim’s recommended Twitter accounts: Salaam Bhatti/@salaam Simran Jeet Singh/@simran Lexi Alexander/@Lexialex From episode 17’s Serena Rasoul, Palestinian American actress, writer, and founder of Muslim American Casting Serena’s recommended books: Mornings in Jenin The Woman from Tantoura: A Novel of Palestine The Butterfly's Burden (poetry) Films: The Present Projects/series: American Muslims: A History Revealed From episode 8’s Afroz Khan, Indian American engineer and the first Muslim woman to serve on the Newburyport (MA) city council Afroz’s recommended shows: Attack on Titan From episode 5’s Razi Jafri, Indian American filmmaker, photographer, and co-director and co-producer of Hamtramck, USA Razi's recommended artists: Saks Afridi Alia Ali Filmmakers: Musa Syeed Nausheen Dadabhoy From episode 2’s Shahjehan Khan, Pakistani American actor, musician, behavioral health consultant, and co-founder of The Kominas. Shahjehan’s recommended shows can be found on his episode page. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are joined by author, former lawyer, and expert on Islamic law, Sumbul Ali-Karamali, to discuss the decidedly unscary Sharia law. Sharia is essentially a mass of religious guidelines, meaning the path to the watering place literally and the path to righteousness religiously. Essentially, early Muslims interpreted their holy text, the Quran, to determine rules for how to live, called fatwas. The collection of fatwas (fiqh) along with the Quran and Sunnah (practices of Muhammad) equal Sharia. Like many religious texts it is ancient, up to interpretation, and complex, even to our dear host and many other Muslims. Given that scholars interpreting the texts were not governing the people, it was never rigid top-down rules from those in power. (Wager a guess at how often Islamic legal scholars have reached a consensus on the interpretation of religious text as it relates to law.) Sumbul, who recently published her third book, Demystifying Shari’ah, shares the inspiration for the book (with a cameo by Rush Limbaugh) and the co-occurring explosion of anti-Sharia sentiment in public discourse. She breaks down the key facts in a digestible manner, including the fluidity of Sharia, the five pillars, the immutable goals that every Islamic law has to comply with—which closely resemble our far subsequent Bill of Rights—and the important revelation that no religious law can ever take over the United States because of our Constitution. We touch on Sharia as it relates to modesty/dress, the colonization of Muslim lands, and behaviors like prayer, divorce, and murder, which are actually ranked by levels of allowance. Asad and Sumbul share the common ground of their parents effectively being the ones to lay down the law when growing up, something most children can relate to. We are surprised to learn that even nonfiction authors can get heckled at public readings. We are not surprised to hear about Fear, Inc., the extreme right-wing lawyer responsible for anti-Sharia legislation in 14 states, and the co-opting of Islamic terms by the mainstream media. Naturally, there’s an aside on Star Trek (check out our most recent blog post for more on that!). Find out more about Sumbul on her site and get answers to all the questions you’ve ever had about Sharia in Demystifying Shari'ah: What It Is, How It Works, and Why It's Not Taking Over Our Country. Also check our her first two books, the post-9/11 award-winning The Muslim Next Door: the Qur’an, the Media, and that Veil Thing and Growing up Muslim: Understanding the Beliefs and Practices of Islam for ages 10 & up. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rais Bhuiyan is a Bangladeshi American who was shot by a white supremacist as retaliation for the attacks of September 11th, four months after arriving in the United States. He joins us on this episode of American Muslim Project to share his remarkable story and mission to promote empathy and compassion. Rais was thrilled to start his own American dream in Dallas after being granted a visa from the State Department’s lottery. He relays how his life instead became an “American nightmare” as Mark Anthony Stroman went on a killing spree, murdering two other South Asian men and nearly killing Rais in an attempt to hunt Arabs. We talk about that horrific day and how he called out for his mother, like George Floyd. Miraculously Rais lived, but the incident cost him his home, fiancé, job, sense of security, and the sight in his right eye. We learn of the hospital discharging him after he regained consciousness because of insurance and the Red Cross only allotting him a week’s worth of groceries. Instead of campaigning for personal justice, however, Rais engaged in a fight for clemency for his attacker. Joined by a team backed by Amnesty International, Rais describes why and how he petitioned to save Stroman’s life, going all the way to the Supreme Court and also taking on the lethal injection manufacturer in Denmark. Discover how his request for mediation with his attacker played out and both of their transitions after the crime. At the same time, Rais founded World Without Hate, a nonprofit working to prevent and disrupt the cycles of hate and violence through storytelling and empathy. He shares the promise he made to Allah for letting him live and the Quran verse that inspired him. Find out how the campaign played out and about the mentorship Rais now has with Stroman’s son. Check out his website and follow World Without Hate @worldwithouthate and @WWHforgive as they work toward a 9/11 hate crime resolution, among other projects. If nothing else examine your own ability to forgive, then spread the ultimate story of compassion to better this country—ours and Rais’s—that he still somehow manages to love. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

During the Obama administration (or was it in 1984?), a campaign known as countering violent extremism (CVE, and a profusion of other acronyms since) was initiated by intelligence and federal law enforcement agencies to identify and dissuade those prone to radicalization. The Muslim Justice League was founded in 2014 by Muslim women of one CVE pilot city to defund and dismantle that massive increase in state-sponsored surveillance. The league’s deputy director, Amira Al-Subaey, joins us on AMP to discuss the facts and fiction surrounding still-active CVE policy. According to the government, CVE would put an end to aggressive law enforcement policies by instead recruiting regular citizens like doctors, imams, and teachers to engage in the “soft policing” of their community. What are some of the risks indicating to informants that a person is likely to become a violent extremist, you ask? Things such as, Amira says, growing a beard, political activism, stated feelings of alienation, or increasing your mosque attendance. The surveillance—no surprise—targets Muslims and other immigrant and POC populations deemed a threat. We talk about CVE’s failures (lack of violence prevention, legitimization of anti-Muslim discrimination, disproportionate spying on and incarceration of Black and Brown people) and successes (this parenthetical intentionally left blank). Amira enlightens us on the sad reasoning behind surveillants and institutions cooperating with these counterterrorism measures and the lengths those facing the worse consequences have gone to to avoid false suspicion. Asad and Amira both ponder the likelihood that they’ve been put on the FBI or DHS’s radar. We cover the repercussions of fighting the movement and social justice groups like AJL that are doing it anyway. Our government’s historical use of the terms “terrorist” and “extremist” and the lack of scientific evidence for “the indicators” leading to extremism are broached, and better ways to keep society safe are posited. The episode transitions to record-breaking ways Amira challenges herself personally, which produces a fitting metaphor for navigating life. She introduces us to abolitionist organizer Mariame Kaba's recommendation of practicing hope as a discipline. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Maha Nassar, a Palestinian American professor and expert on Arab cultural and intellectual history, shares her insights on Palestinians. Naturally, we ask her to address the horrific situation in Israel and the Gaza Strip over the past few weeks. She enlightens us on several key points, including how the conflict is truly an anti-colonialist struggle, how the youngest Palestinians in Israel identify themselves, and how Palestinians have been covered by major U.S. news outlets the last several decades. [Spoiler alert: Very few articles written about Palestinians are actually by a Palestinian.] Find out why bias in major news outlets may matter less now. Maha shares the impetus behind her award-winning book, Brothers Apart: Palestinian Citizens of Israel and the Arab World, as well as details from her 2007 trip to Palestine that turned “really icky.” After learning of the de facto segregation in neighborhoods and schools in Israel, we dive into a fascinating if not disturbing comparison to Jim Crow laws. You may also be surprised to hear about Black Lives Matter leaders studying structural suppression and institutional violence in Palestine, and American police forces attending trainings in Israel. How murals of George Floyd can be found across Palestine, where they too hope to translate the present online momentum into real change. Naturally, we finish with Maha’s predictions on how this all ends. Follow Maha on Twitter @mtnassar and read her unsettling article documenting how opinion pieces about Palestinians in the US mainstream media are overwhelmingly written by non-Palestinians. Check out her first book, Brothers Apart, and upcoming book, The Palestinians: A Global History, on the construction of Palestinian identity under statelessness and transnational dispersal. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we spoke with Dr. Mohammed Reza, a Bangladeshi-American infectious disease doctor in north Florida, where COVID variants and vaccine reluctance both run rampant. During this pandemic, Dr. Mo (as his patients call him) has been thrust into the local limelight as an unwitting community educator. Despite his schooling, credibility, and experience, he was a bit surprised to become the trusted face of coronavirus intel in his hometown, performing over 100 interviews. Perhaps because the day after Trump took office he was ordered to go back to his country while buying his staff donuts. Regardless, an authority he is, and he breaks down mutations of the virus, the reason India is currently in crisis, and what we know we don’t know. Myths about vaccines are dispelled. Our government is given a letter grade for their COVID response. Along with a psychologist and a tech friend, Dr. Mo co-founded CovidIQ early last year—a free tracking system that identified potential hot spots quicker than tests could. Despite the number of physicians involved and time and money they volunteered, politics and cost curtailed the project. Many states didn’t want to know the rate of infection or be told when to wear (or not wear) masks, it turns out. We speak about minorities having the highest rates of disease and the worst access to care in this country, along with some appalling stats. On the flip side, Dr. Mo shares his approach to patients and bedside manner (will you be our doctor?). Furthermore, we cover poignant anecdotes of his family’s humble beginnings and the reason he decided to go into medicine: a harrowing story about traveling from Bangladesh to Singapore at 18 to try to save his father’s life, which dwarves every challenge we’ve ever faced. Finally, we offer you the lessons his multicultural family preaches: Be good to others, regardless of their background. And celebrate every holiday. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Qasim Rashid has held many roles—human rights lawyer, prolific writer, media consultant, political candidate, volunteer prison chaplain, avid Tweeter—one of which his wife convinced him to pursue. He joins us on American Muslim Project to discuss his newest book, how he got to where he is today, and advocating for a more compassionate tomorrow. We dive in with Ramadan 2021, a remarkable one given COVID and the current state of Palestinians and Uyghurs. Shared IHOP reminiscences make an appearance. Qasim outlines the theology behind Ahmadi Muslims, the minority faith he is an active member of. We discuss the motivations behind his long-rejected debut children's book, Hannah and the Ramadan Gift, and the moment his four-year-old daughter saw herself on the cover. Are we any closer to normalizing Islam in the United States? Qasim touches on other varied topics he’s well-informed on, all with eloquence and humility. How the reality of American Muslims building this country and fighting in every war needs to be more deliberately communicated; the potential positives of being trolled, which he calls collateral education; helping our nation become a more perfect union and making the American Dream accessible to all; the number of times he was pulled over by police post-9/11.… We’re moved by his embodiment of humanity, present in his many, many actions, constantly asserted beliefs, and showing compassion just for compassion’s sake. Follow Qasim on Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook @qasimrashid. Pick up his recent children’s book, Hannah and the Ramadan Gift, illustrated by Aaliya Jaleel. Or check out his numerous articles on https://qasimrashid.com and nonfiction books, The Wrong Kind of Muslim: An Untold Story of Persecution & Perseverance, EXTREMIST: A Response to Geert Wilders & Terrorists Everywhere, and Talk To Me: Changing the Narrative on Race, Religion, & Education. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are joined by Saba Wahid Duffy: chef, media personality, culinary educator, and very recent *Chopped* champion. As an American Muslim raised in a suburb of Boston, she grew up eating Pakistani food nearly exclusively, which left her hankering for any cuisine but. Despite her strong interest in cooking from a young age, Saba’s traditional Desi parents had other thoughts on their daughter wanting to pursue a culinary career. We discover the idea that truly kicked off her career in food much later in life: a television pilot bridging the gap between her Eastern roots and Western upbringing (which coincidentally our host helped film). The shoot—despite the fact that she forbids anyone to watch it now—landed her a position as a tv host with Dubai One. Saba paints a picture of the food scene in Dubai, where she subsequently lived for four years, as well as the current culinary evolution in the States. Naturally we quizzed her on her Chopped experience. Hear what it’s like to have Martha Stewart hovering over you while breaking down flounder, and how to sugarcoat the situation with a little light conversation. How might one prepare for such a high-stress competition against three male chefs with impressive industry experience? Try timed test runs in a kitchen under construction with a toddler in tow and a proper-meat-and-potatoes husband critiquing your plating. We learn about her signature style, an amalgamation of healthy Mediterranean cuisine with the pungent spices of her heritage as well as the global influence of living in the UAE. She enlightens our listeners as well as, ahem, our Pakistani-American host on the differences between Pakistani and Indian food. We talk about wrapping your head around Christmas as adults and her multicultural family creating their own unique traditions. Finally, find out the one thing she won’t ever do foodwise. Read more about Saba and her unique recipes on her website, take advice from her food blog, Culinary Delights, or follow her on Facebook. And catch her appearances on Food Network’s Chopped: Martha Rules in Round 4 and the Grand Finale (originally aired 5/4 and 5/11 at 9pm). American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we speak with Salma Arastu, an artist born in Rajasthan, India, to Sindhi Hindu Pakistani refugees. Introduced to Arabic calligraphy in Iran, she found herself mesmerized before able to even read it. By the 1980s, the merging of traditional calligraphy and modern art that she’d embarked upon had a name: the Hurufiyya Movement. It was only after September 11th that she began to share her calligraphy publicly, to spread the beauty of the Quran and bring people closer to Islam. She walks us through the popularity of calligraphy in Islam, and her passion for the concept of conveying a story through a beautiful, continuous line. She details her very physical process (often involving three pieces at a time), influences, and reception amongst different communities. In addition to her calligraphy, Salma’s found success with mixed media, paintings, laser-cut metal sculptures, and poetry. Regardless of the medium she works from the heart, letting the energy take control and trying to convey joy, peace, and human connection. Not wanting to be labeled a specific kind of artist, or religion for that matter, she believes the message and appeal of her works are universal. Listening to Salma speak, we’re not surprised that she makes art to uplift others. One gets the feeling when listening to her that she has a lot to teach about life, gratitude, and humility. She speaks of challenges she’s faced—such as being born without fingers on her left hand or her family’s resistance to her conversion to Islam—as if they are blessings. Frankly she makes us miss our grandma. You can find out more about Salma on her site or follow her here. Check out her new book of paintings inspired by the themes of ecological consciousness and interspecies dependence found in the Quran. Learn more about some of her favorite artists, Shahzia Sikander, Paul Klee, and Wassily Kandinsky. Last but not least, take her advice to draw—even doodle—to open your mind and heart. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Serena Rasoul’s humble upbringing in rural Virginia left her feeling like a leper to both white neighbors and other Arab Americans from afar. Her childhood defense mechanism? Resorting to funny accents and impressions. Serena joins AMP to discuss her diverse career, founding the first casting agency focused on Muslim talent, and the real story of Hollywood. The daughter of Palestinian immigrants with a Mayberry vision of America, her family landed on a Southern horse ranch to run a corner store and gas station—“the only Muslims for hours.” With no mosque around, she would often accompany friends to churches, synagogues, and temples. The only common ground in town was that everyone struggled to get by. While it could be lonely and isolating, she says she also felt empowered, eventually forming dear, accepting friendships. “Just like any child of immigrants,” Serena was supposed to be the doctor. Despite her love of stand-up and performing, her heavy sense of responsibility and keen awareness of her parents’ sacrifices led her to study public health. Asad and her exchange banter about parental expectations of success. She spent many years working for the government while pursuing acting gigs on the side (including House of Cards and Veep) and dabbling in stand-up. After checking all the obligatory boxes, however, she finally left her job to pursue her passion full-time. What she discovered was inexperienced studios portraying BIPOC talent as stereotypes. With no home in the industry, she decided to create one. Enter Muslim American Casting, launched 1/20/21, the day after the Muslim Ban was repealed. Her agency casts Muslim and SWANA talent in the TV, film, and commercial industries and provides consulting services to ensure accurate representation. Despite her parents not quite understanding what she does now, they are supportive. Regardless she still loves doing impressions of them (which she graces us with). She enlightens us on Hollywood’s ignorance about the diversity of the American Muslim population. We become aware of a report on 100 years of Muslim tropes that unearths Muslim stereotypes in the silent-film era and explores the wildly evolving caricatures over time. She provides her take on where Hollywood is headed. Check out MuslimAmericanCasting.com, and help grow the vast database if you are in the biz by submitting your info under the talent tab. See Serena’s latest roles and goings-on here. Follow @muslimcasting on IG and Twitter for casting calls and revolving features of Muslim creatives. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As a first-generation American Muslim businesswoman, Tasneem Dohadwala has lived a life of being a threefold minority: in race, gender, and career. She experienced a traditional South Asian Muslim upbringing, short one pivotal detail—her mom worked, and loved it. Tasneem speaks to being a woman in the world of investments on this episode of AMP. Currently Founding Partner at global investment firm Excelestar Ventures and a Managing Director at early-stage investment firm Golden Seeds, which focuses on women-led businesses, Tasneem has come a long way. Her ambition likely stems from her mother instilling a sense of pride (rather than guilt) in work and her family’s belief that there is no glass ceiling. She credits her success to their support, especially throughout business school when she was one of only nine mothers out of 1800 students. Tasneem defines what any investor does in layman’s terms and outlines the less-defined roles of a good one—guiding, understanding, and being a sounding board for your CEO. We ask her to enlighten us on how investment differs from the picture painted on Shark Tank. She likens her entrepreneurship approach to reading a thriller, learning new players and plot points with every page. She shares anecdotes from her early career: about the support of bosses on the trading floor for both her work and family; about a male VP’s unseemly comment regarding women that stuck with her and how, as her kids say, that’s clearly a him problem, not a me problem; about how even she had to come to the realization that ignoring color is dismissive of people’s varied experiences, which can make society and companies richer. Not until business school did she start to own her differences rather than suppressing them. We chat about how the world has changed (or has it?). Asad cites some depressing investment stats from 2020; Tasneem adds her own. Nonetheless, it’s becoming more universally accepted that racially- and gender-diverse teams produce a better return on equity, among other benefits. This past year CEOs have started demanding that their companies and cap tables be inclusive, but still need to make it a mandate. Values and actions may finally be catching up with each other, but there is far less access to resources for women, despite the capital existing. And if the framework doesn’t change, and firms are only willing to invest in serial entrepreneurs, then the pattern of investing in men doesn’t change. Women have been showing up, and we’re hopeful this is finally the decade when their constraint is no longer perpetuated. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Part 2 of our conversation with Adnan Khan, Executive Director of Re:Store Justice. Early on, most of us are taught the binary concepts of good & evil and told what camp we fall into. As a teen, Adnan Khan found himself parentless, homeless, a dropout, and a victim of trauma, veering off the path of his little league days. After a robbery gone very wrong, where his schizophrenic acquaintance unexpectedly killed a man, he was sentenced to 25 years to life in maximum security prison. Under CA’s felony murder rule, a jury simply had to prove his intent to rob for Adnan to become liable for the murder, despite neither planning nor committing it. Because the court acted within the context of the law, an appeal was futile. So he changed the law. Adnan shares his remarkable fight against the system with AMP. Adnan literally grew up “on the inside”; an inmate taught him to shave. He paints a picture for us of his fellow prisoners and how he kept from going crazy. He read voraciously, starting with Blood in My Eye, earned a degree, studied Islam, and created enduring relationships bound by pain and disadvantage. With the right resources, he began to investigate the history behind imprisonment. He created FIRSTWATCH, a filmmaking project exposing what really goes on. He chaired SQUIRES, deterring youth from making similar choices. And he started a nonprofit, Re:Store Justice, with a community organizer (now his wife). Meaning he advocated/fundraised/staffed secretly from the inside, even gluing fake covers to revolutionary books. Most importantly, he worked to change the felony murder rule. After 16 years he was the first re-sentenced and released under the new bill. In all likelihood Adnan would still be in prison if he hadn’t advocated for himself. So he's continued with Re:Store Justice, offering survivor and offender resources and holding discussions between the two (sometimes they’re one and the same). Egregious crimes are committed and accountability is important, but so is individual context and system accountability. Instead of exposing those impacted by violence to even more violence in prison, money could go to housing/recovery/health initiatives. We discuss the historical context behind 2+ million incarcerated, and how laws disproportionately affect youth, POC, and women. Yet the system isn’t broken, he says—it’s engineered to be this way. He introduces us to the school-to-prison pipeline and one-size-fits-all sentences. Policing and prison may be responses to crime rather than deterrents, and parole just a means to return to the system. What are the main reasons for rearrests? And what could have deterred him initially? Finally, we cover the impending COVID crisis and science behind young offenders. Check out some positive changes in CA Senate Bills 260, 261, & AB1308. Listen to those impacted, learn why they harm, and respond appropriately. Then spread the word. Re:Store Justice and @akhan1437 will help you do this. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Part 1 of our conversation with Adnan Khan, Executive Director of Re:Store Justice. Early on, most of us are taught the binary concepts of good & evil and told what camp we fall into. As a teen, Adnan Khan found himself parentless, homeless, a dropout, and a victim of trauma, veering off the path of his little league days. After a robbery gone very wrong, where his schizophrenic acquaintance unexpectedly killed a man, he was sentenced to 25 years to life in maximum security prison. Under CA’s felony murder rule, a jury simply had to prove his intent to rob for Adnan to become liable for the murder, despite neither planning nor committing it. Because the court acted within the context of the law, an appeal was futile. So he changed the law. Adnan shares his remarkable fight against the system with AMP. Adnan literally grew up “on the inside”; an inmate taught him to shave. He paints a picture for us of his fellow prisoners and how he kept from going crazy. He read voraciously, starting with Blood in My Eye, earned a degree, studied Islam, and created enduring relationships bound by pain and disadvantage. With the right resources, he began to investigate the history behind imprisonment. He created FIRSTWATCH, a filmmaking project exposing what really goes on. He chaired SQUIRES, deterring youth from making similar choices. And he started a nonprofit, Re:Store Justice, with a community organizer (now his wife). Meaning he advocated/fundraised/staffed secretly from the inside, even gluing fake covers to revolutionary books. Most importantly, he worked to change the felony murder rule. After 16 years he was the first re-sentenced and released under the new bill. In all likelihood Adnan would still be in prison if he hadn’t advocated for himself. So he's continued with Re:Store Justice, offering survivor and offender resources and holding discussions between the two (sometimes they’re one and the same). Egregious crimes are committed and accountability is important, but so is individual context and system accountability. Instead of exposing those impacted by violence to even more violence in prison, money could go to housing/recovery/health initiatives. We discuss the historical context behind 2+ million incarcerated, and how laws disproportionately affect youth, POC, and women. Yet the system isn’t broken, he says—it’s engineered to be this way. He introduces us to the school-to-prison pipeline and one-size-fits-all sentences. Policing and prison may be responses to crime rather than deterrents, and parole just a means to return to the system. What are the main reasons for rearrests? And what could have deterred him initially? Finally, we cover the impending COVID crisis and science behind young offenders. Check out some positive changes in CA Senate Bills 260, 261, & AB1308. Listen to those impacted, learn why they harm, and respond appropriately. Then spread the word. Re:Store Justice and @akhan1437 will help you do this. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The survey says: Public satisfaction with both corporate and political leaders around the world is at an all-time low. On this episode of AMP we interview an academic attempting to change this leadership deficit, Dr. Shaista Khilji. GW professor, prolific writer, and cofounder of the Humanizing Initiative, Pakistani-born Shaista has become an expert on emerging economies through her international work. As a polylingual, multidegreed consultant, researcher, and teacher across nations—but especially in SE Asia—she acquired a unique understanding of globalization and its impact on individuals. She witnessed the rising inequalities and dismal conclusion that globalization failed its promise of lifting millions out of poverty. In response, SHE and her students co-founded the Humanizing Initiative. She elaborates on its mission to make globalization better for society as well as organizations by cultivating humanistic leadership, which requires focusing on the common good, reconceptualizing time, ditching egos, and critically assessing underlying assumptions, for a start. We find out the framework behind the initiative—a humanistic management paradigm that breaks down four distinct human drives. While most organizations focus almost exclusively on acquiring resources, leaders should draw upon varied perspectives to balance the drives and prioritize motivation via relationships and intellectual curiosity. We challenge, naturally, how this differs from contemporary theory and how one does this (journaling, anyone?). Looking for an example of a successful humanistic leader brings to mind so many who are not. Given his background advising start-ups, Asad asks how early-stage entrepreneurs should think about leadership and culture. And, per normal, we inquire about Shaista’s Muslim American experience, which evokes an Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland identity crisis and anecdotes about her son. COVID rears its ugly head—if nothing else, 2020 was a turning point for increased awareness of poor leadership and organizations reinforcing social inequities. All the same, the divide between rich and poor has only widened and layoffs continue as CEO/board compensation rises. Yet Shaista is ultimately pro-globalization, if done responsibly. This new humanistic approach, she believes, should give us hope during dark times. Post-interview, we were humbled when Shaista was moved to write and record a poem, “A Slice of Me”—her first in nearly two years and our premier episode-inspired creation. Listen and tell us what you think, check out Globalization, Change and Learning in South Asia, and stay tuned for an article on how individuals make sense of the inequalities they face. Access a collection of her past work, recent blog posts, and the Humanizing Initiative for more. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Berkeley-based Islamic Scholarship Fund seeks to increase American Muslim representation in media, policy, and film. Since 2009, they’ve awarded $1.5 million in the form of undergraduate/postgraduate/law scholarships as well as film grants, Congressional internships, and fellowships. We sat down with their program manager, Omar Elsayed, to discuss the organization, representation, and how to sleep better at night. Focusing on sectors likely to impact public opinion the most, ISF’s mission is to combat Islamophobia and promote equality. What started as a mere scholarship fund now tracks whether recipients go on to have impactful careers in the same subjects. The growing organization provides mentorship, education, networking, etc. to support these scholars, who in turn give back to the community—in essence an orbit of change makers gaining infinite momentum. Omar has faced Islamophobia throughout his life and feels blessed that his personal and professional missions align. With hindsight and a bit of dark humor, he relays an early incident when a bully accused him of being a terrorist and channeling his inner gamer in a retort. He volunteers his nerdy adolescent fantasy of being a hero bringing justice to the world and angsty teenage tendency to lie awake cringing about both grievances and self-doubt (we can relate). These days he sleeps well, in part because of that early lesson that hateful behavior is learned and not personal. He asks how religious we can get [as much as you like, Omar] and shares a favorite story of the Prophet and forgiveness. He asks how personal can we get [very!] and says he now tries to understand and love the bully, whether that’s seventh-grade Stephen or a Trump supporter. We ponder whether it’s worse to wrong someone in Islam than other religions, and touch on the “uncle mentality.” We celebrate how memories of grown men gathering to drink tea, smoke, and collectively complain can incite equal & opposite reactions, and consider anew how advocacy in a systemic, institutional way may effect more and lasting change (hereafter known as the long game of social justice). Students interested in ISF scholarships can find the latest info here (deadline: 4/5/21). Omar remains fiercely private but encourages you to check out some of the amazing recipients: CNN Digital journalist Alaa Elassar; filmmaker and past AMP guest Razi Jafri; Israel and Palestine Director at Human Rights Watch, Omar Shakir; Rashida Tlaib’s Legislative Fellow, Mustafa Alemi; Emmy-award-winning Justin Mashouf and his latest documentary, The Honest Struggle. Finally, he reminds us of some recent positive media coverage about Muslims. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

English at school, Somali at home, Arabic on weekends. This is how Sahra Ali came of age. A storyteller by nature and writer by trade, her recent piece about forging a Somali American identity in the Midwest truly spoke to us. She joins us on this episode of AMP to speak about words, 9/11, and her personal evolution. Born in a tiny village in northeast Somalia devoid of electricity and brimming with war, Sahra’s family eventually followed her father to the U.S., where he’d moved eight years earlier. Introduced to the country by way of New York City, she walks us through the stark transition to her new life in Jersey City and its banding together of various Muslims. The moment she realized Americans couldn’t properly pronounce Sahra she became Sarah—a name and a persona she maintained until early adulthood, even amongst her family. Despite witnessing the traumatic events and aftermath of September 11th, Sahra was young and from a culture focused on survival. So while her dad reacted by moving the family to Ohio, her natural, almost inherited psychological response was to disconnect entirely from the trauma. She shares her diplomatic and perhaps late-onset approach at self discovery, testing out freedoms while still under the confines of a traditional Somali upbringing. And how she had a cheerful but very different experience than the Americans, her “non-immigrant” siblings. Finally we delve into words—beautiful, evocative, consequential words. As a young woman who won Quran recitation competitions, taught herself to read & write in Somali, and took her journal everywhere, the profession seems to have chosen her rather than the other way around. Now a writer, poet, and diversity & equity consultant, she makes a living documenting stories and facilitating racial literacy. She recites some of the joyful Quran as well as a Shakespearean sonnet, natch, and we muse about the day when an Arabic surah will be as ubiquitous in America as “Amazing Grace.” This episode was recorded in March 2021. Check out the article that resonated so strongly with our host and so many other kinds of Muslims. And find out more about Sahra and her other work here. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imraan Siddiqi, born in Alabama and raised in Atlanta, has always been a proud Muslim. Growing up in a city that was both a major civil rights player and part of the Bible Belt—with most households engrossed in religion—he felt at home sharing his Islamic faith and accepted for declining alcohol and dating. Now the Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in Washington State, he spends his days working to protect cultural and religious freedoms. He joins us on AMP to discuss the organization and its efforts to combat Islamophobia. CAIR is the largest Muslim civil liberties organization in the States and works to advocate for victims of discrimination, improve media representation, and lobby for policy change. As the former Executive Director in Arizona, Imraan faced quite a bit of opposition and relays his experiences there versus his new position based in Seattle—a “really welcoming environment for Muslim activism.” We discuss his recent championing of two individuals kicked off a plane at Sea-Tac for speaking Arabic and texting emojis. Imraan defines Islamophobia and provides the historical and contemporary contexts for its development. More surprisingly, even to us, he details the multimillion-dollar industry dedicated to inciting anti-Islamic sentiment via harassment and vandalism but also in city councils, school boards, and the federal government. He names organizations that have been successful in portraying Islam through the lens of terrorism and delivers this takeaway: Money and hate go hand in hand. As for tomorrow? Imraan predicts we’ll be dealing with Islamophobia regardless of our administration and from both sides of the political spectrum. To lead to real systemic change, CAIR—as well as those wanting to help—should focus on larger societal issues like police accountability, healthcare, affordable education, forever wars, and the minimum wage. Personally he will continue to be one of CAIR's leading social media campaigners, whereas his three sons will continue keeping him grounded by reminding him that not everything is about Islamophobia, Dad. If you, too, would like to help fight social inequalities, follow Imraan’s frequent Tweets @imraansiddiqi and look up your local chapter of CAIR. This interview was recorded in March 2021. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zeyad Moussa, Founder and CEO of Tulua, would absolutely encourage anyone with an innovative idea and a lot of drive to disrupt the “stale and crusty” food & beverage industry. Just maybe not the way he did. In this episode of AMP, we learn about an unconventional but wildly successful path to starting a business. An erstwhile biomedical engineer, longtime wellness advocate, and lifelong drinker of ginger tea (for its impeccable record of outperforming Pepto Bismol!), Zeyad saw a place for remedial ginger shots in the relatively risk-averse market of food retail and went for it. With no experience in the industry let alone the less-established category within it, he and his partner managed to r&d and scale up their first product, then land an account at Whole Foods by way of a bid at a charity auction. Now he runs one of the first companies to bring a wide range of wellness shots to the national level. We chat about the incarnation of the brand and growth from wellness to vitality to digestive shots. Tulua, meaning “to rise up” in Arabic, represents the awakening you experience from their flagship product, which features a dose of Peruvian ginger so strong that he laughs about some customers’ reactions. We talk clean labels—in both human and pet food—and Tulua’s further guarantee of using certified organic, kosher, gluten-free, and non-GMO ingredients. Zeyad has a lot to say about millennials (all good!), the current wellness boom, and a move toward e-commerce. We ask about challenges he’s faced with investments as a Saudi-Egyptian Muslim American; though he can predict with great accuracy who will win a pitch competition, it’s really the peaks in prejudice following the first Gulf War and 9/11 that stand out. A lot of consequences, like the double “random checks” at the airport, he takes in stride and with notable empathy; others, like his four-year-old son asking if they were going to jail after Trump’s Muslim Ban, are more painful. We end on maintaining a belief in goodness, committing to understanding others’ worldviews, and acknowledging the exhilarating departure from the cookie-cutter role of American Muslims past. Keep on top of what Zeyad and Tulua are up to, and discover your own favorite Tulua shot at your local health-food store or by shopping online. This interview was recorded in March 2021. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Afroz Khan, an Indian American engineer and the first Muslim woman to serve on the Newburyport (MA) city council, is, frankly, the kind of politician we all dream about electing. Principled, affable, and sincere, Afroz took on public office simply because she was asked to consider it. She’d started to get more involved in her quaint, cobblestone, and very white New England town by way of the schools, after her family began facing cultural biases. Initially these were fairly benign acts like being assumed to be the proprietors of the new Indian restaurant in town, but moved to the more egregious accusation of “canceling” Santa and a severe allegation of enforcing Sharia law. Now a beloved member of her community providing transparency and a voice for all minorities, Afroz joins American Muslim Project to speak about her journey. To Afroz, public service simply means reaching out to her community, looking for commonality but recognizing that adversity can provide teaching moments. She shares some of those moments, as well as her experiences living in seven different states (you’ll be surprised about her former voting record). Grateful to have seen more than one way of life, she tries to approach issues impartially and empathetically, considering it a strength that people don’t know how she’ll vote. A thing to behold—politicians guided by reason rather than party lines! We hear charming anecdotes about detention, her children, and an unusual upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, including convincing her education-focused father to let her finish high school while living with her college-age siblings in California, because the schools there were better. Asad asks her to read from a letter she wrote to her local paper after it published an Islamophobic opinion piece about a Pakistani physician under the Obama administration. And she doles out two pieces of advice intended for future minority politicians, but apropos to everyone (we may steal those tips on eloquence). So what’s next for Afroz? In addition to her day job in energy efficiency and being active in her children’s lives through these informative years, she was recently appointed to a board to represent her district. She continues to enjoy the interaction with Newburyport’s residents and fellow leaders and plans to run for her third term as City Councillor in late 2023. Big picture? She’s hopeful that our country can repair the recent political divide and find common ground. Keep up with Afroz and what’s happening in town here, where she can often be found doing Facebook Live videos. And check out her favorite show to watch with her 11-year-old, Attack on Titan. This interview was recorded in January 2021. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jawad Ahsan, CFO of Axon, the significant technology & weapons company, has found incredible success despite not following the expected path toward it. This week on AMP we discuss his new leadership book and his thoughts on team building, tasers, and tackling diversity. As a first-generation Pakistani-American raised outside Boston, Jawad entered college with the intention of pursuing medicine, right up until his C in chemistry. From thereon in he decided to forge his own path, leading to a series of esteemed management programs and CFO roles for major companies. With an atypical finance background, Jawad became incredibly passionate about leadership development, regularly presenting on the topic. Last December he made good on the frequent suggestion that he write a book, publishing What They Didn’t Tell Me: How to Be a Resilient Leader and Build Teams You Can Trust. We dissect the book with Jawad, honing in on the idea of defining one’s North Star. Are you one of the few people that can clearly articulate what your path in life is, or do you go on autopilot and rely on serendipity to advance? He outlines the four uncoachable traits essential for building strong teams, fanboys over MBAs with Asad, and gives his 21-year-old self some advice on open-mindedness, cultivating mentorship, and dispassionately filtering feedback. Even feedback like being told—not once, but twice—that there is something wrong with the way you learn. As an executive of a company primarily producing tasers, body cameras, and software for law enforcement, we ask why he wrote this book now, in this political climate. He feels strongly that the lessons he’s sharing can change people’s lives. Too, he’s proud of the achievements at Axon, whose mission is to protect life and eventually make the bullet obsolete. Founded after two of CEO Rick Smith's high school classmates were murdered in a road rage incident, Axon has saved over 200,000 lives with its products. Jawad shares two remarkable stories about de-escalation: that of an armed teenage girl in the midst of a very public mental health crisis, and of a young Black Axon engineer remotely activating the body cam of the officer who pulled him over. Axon has also developed programs that track when officers repeatedly ignore policy and now conducts empathy training via VR by putting officers in the “offender’s” shoes. In addition to CFO, Jawad is Axon’s chief diversity & inclusion officer. He speaks about the importance of giving platforms to minorities, his preference for plurality over diversity, and how a unique American meritocracy offers myriad opportunities, as long as you’re really good at what you do. Next up? With their body cams being used in some of the most high-profile cases in 2020, Axon is trying to find a way to serve as a bridge between our communities and law enforcement. This interview was recorded in January 2021. Check out what Jawad or Axon are up to on social media, and find out more about What They Didn’t Tell Me here. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode of AMP we are joined by Rabiah York Lumbard, award-winning author of a number of children’s books and a recent young adult novel, No True Believers. This thriller about an American Muslim teen forced to confront hatred, secret conspiracies, and Islamophobia during her senior year of high school draws on Rabiah’s own experiences as an American Muslim at home and abroad. Though she grew up in a non-practicing Protestant family, Rabiah outlines how a family trip to Istanbul left her captivated by the beauty and intrigue of Islam. Shortly afterward she headed to college in the majestic (if we do say so ourselves) PNW, where, like many young people, she began questioning existence and thinking deep thoughts. Hoping, ironically, that she’d come around to Christianity, her father gave her a book by Karen Armstrong. It was then that she realized the tenets of Islam were the principles she’d always embraced but had no name for. She officially converted to Islam at 18; however, she feels she’s always been Muslim. As a white convert, Rabiah touches on the phenomenon of racially atypical Muslim erasure. From there we delve into othering, bullying, and Islamophobia, and how they come in many and subtle forms—not just the overt kind from men with tiki torches. Asad relates to the passage about brown-skinned boys feeling like their “survival depends on being as close to invisible as possible.” And Rabiah reveals that writing her debut novel was actually spurred by the Islamophobia her husband faced in academia, driving the family of 5 to suddenly move to the Middle East, where they remain today. As with fellow guests, we flesh out the danger of misrepresentation (or lack of representation) in media and art. Why it was important that her main character be a very relatable teenage girl with just a bit of an anti-authoritarian streak, who also happens to be Muslim. And why the book uses Arabic phrases both religiously and vernacularly to show that there’s not always a strict rigidity, that most Muslims fall somewhere in between the totally secular nonbeliever and perfect goody-two-shoes tropes usually encountered. Finally, we conclude with the thought that despite all its struggles, with all the work left to be done, the United States will always be our beautiful and resilient home. Learn more about Rabiah on her website. Get your copy of No True Believers here, or send us your review on Apple podcasts before 3/15 to be entered into our very first giveaway to win a signed copy! Follow Your Woke Aunty on Twitter, listen to Riada Akyol’s podcast, Dignified Resilience, and pluck up little nuggets of Quran wisdom from a very universal perspective on her husband’s podcast, Quran for All Seasons. Finally, if you need to cry and laugh at the same time (and who doesn’t?), watch Miracle in Cell No. 7 on Netflix. This episode was recorded in December 2020. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

 Premiering at SXSW in 2020 and currently screening virtually across the country, Hamtramck, USA is a documentary film highlighting one city’s municipal election and how the various ethnic communities within work together.  The story that the election naturally paints, however, is the deep diversity here, a place where the soccer stadium is rented out for mass prayers, the high school flies dozens of flags representing students’ ethnicities, and the call to prayer is amplified by public ordinance. In this episode of American Muslim Project we are joined by Hamtramck, USA’s co-director and co-producer, Razi Jafri. Born in northern Indian and emigrating to Detroit as a child, Razi has always been an activist at heart, but acquiesced to “those immigrant expectations and pressures” by becoming an engineer for a decade. In 2015, following a personal struggle, he decided to leave corporate America for a few months in search of more meaningful work. Five years, four fellowships, and manifold projects later (including photographing the janazah/funeral of arguably our country’s most prominent Muslim), he tells us how art has satiated that former void in his soul. Now a resident where his premier film was made, Razi explains how the predominantly Polish Catholic working-class town became the first U.S. Muslim-majority city. Like all communities, the prevailing topics of concern revolve around schools, safety, and public health, and a history of racial profiling and voter intimidation in politics exists; however, in Hamtramck specifically, it’s essential to engage with multiple communities to win an election. His film shows the savviest of politicians amongst this “world in 2 square miles” breaching cultural mores—an Iraqi millennial stumping in Polish and Bosnian, a 60-something Polish woman greeting constituents with salaams, for instance—to appeal to voters from the 20+ racial groups. The city is unique, but also a microcosm of what is starting to happen across the United States in terms of diversity and multiculturalism. And we hope—through its struggles and failures, its constant exposure and representation to the other—that one small city in one immersive film could teach all Americans that at the end of the day, they have to work together. This interview with Razi Jafri was recorded in November 2020. Find Hamtramck, USA streaming near you, and stay tuned for his two future documentaries: Loyalty, the story of three Muslim chaplains as they navigate religious freedom and Islamophobia in the U.S. military, likely out in early 2022; and an archival examination of the War on Terror and mutual radicalization through the story of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American imam killed in a drone strike in 2011. Also view the exhibit Halal Metropolis, which explores Muslim visibility in southeast Michigan, resuming in May at the University of Michigan (Razi served as project manager and photographer). American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gone are the days where local politics amount to reelecting erstwhile high school classmates to fill potholes and grow schools. Policy attorney by day and public servant by night, Mehreen Butt, sister to our host, is a Pakistani American town councilor in Wakefield, MA. She joins us to speak about her unique experience as the first American Muslim woman elected to a select board in the state. Believing steadfastly that government is good and public service is a way to give back, she decided to run in 2016 to fulfill a duty “to be the voice for people that don’t have a seat at the table.” As there's no handbook on how to be a town councilor, we find out how she acquired support from apolitical aunties and uncles, invaluable coaching from Emerge, and an unsolicited declaration from her father that Obama and Abe Lincoln had both been defeated before. She lost that election. However, she reran in 2017 and was recently reelected for her second three-year term. To her surprise, she liked it a lot more than she thought she would. If you’re wondering how town officials can make a difference, consider small but meaningful actions like liaising with the police department regarding implicit bias training, installing a Pride flag, and dedicating funds to protect lakes. So why, we ask, is representation in local politics important? She believes diversity makes for the strongest policy. Case in point: the iconic 2017 photo of exclusively white, right, long-in-the-tooth congressmen considering the future of women’s healthcare. It’s noted, again, how minorities in power don’t just lead but pull others up with them, so that they’re not the lone woman or POC in the room where it happens. We learn that it takes an average of seven asks for a woman to agree to run for office; thus, every time Mehreen crosses paths with a potential advocate, you’d better believe she’s making that ask. This interview with Mehreen Butt was recorded in November 2020. See what Mehreen is up to as Town Councilor, or fangirl over fellow inspirational female leaders of color such as Sumbul Siddiqui (the first Muslim mayor in Massachusetts) or the Squad. Also check out two organizations she adores, Muslim Advocates, a civil rights organization, and Emgage, a civic nonprofit that encourages American Muslims to be more involved in their communities. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Disease sleuthing. Ebola poetry. Doctoring. Naps. On this eclectic third episode of AMP we are joined by our first British Muslim living in America, Dr. Seema Yasmin. Author of the recent book (with illustrations by Famida Azim) Muslim Women Are Everything: Stereotype-Shattering Stories of Courage, Inspiration, and Adventure, she likewise seems to do just about everything. As the daughter of immigrants that bounced between a very insular, traditional paternal family in the English Midlands and her mom’s university world in London, Seema witnessed from a very young age that Muslim women could look and love and live all sorts of ways. “Fueled by a lot of nos,” she was the first in her family to go to med school, worked as a doctor in East London, moved Stateside to enter the U.S. epidemic intelligence service, and then tackled journalism school, right as ebola was arriving in Dallas. Today she’s the Director of the Stanford Health Communication Initiative, examining the spread of misinformation and disinformation about health and science around the world. (How apropos.) As much as she’s dispelled falsehoods about COVID and other diseases, she’s also working to combat misrepresentations about Muslims. Born of an angry Tweet over people’s shock at Muslim women achieving great things, her latest book is a beautifully illustrated profile of extraordinary Muslim women—some Western, some Eastern, current and historical, young and old.  Given how few Americans say they know any Muslims and that even reputable media can perpetuate Islamic stereotypes, Seema is fighting for representation and proper inclusion, even choosing some women for the book with very different ideologies than herself.  In addition to detailing Muslim Women Are Everything and reading Asad’s favorite passage aloud, we reflect on women choosing to cover themselves, or not, and how their bodies are policed. Naturally, the current pandemic and related misinformation is discussed. And we introduce you to Generation M, a progressive group of young, affluent Muslims balancing modernity and faith, at the helm of which are young women. This episode was recorded in December 2020. Follow Seema on Twitter (@DoctorYasmin) and find her book Muslim Women Are Everything here. Learn how to separate facts from fiction when it comes to health in her brand-new book appearing in 2021, Viral BS: Medical Myths and Why We Fall for Them. And stay tuned for her debut poetry collection, If God Is a Virus, based on her reporting on the Ebola epidemic from West Africa. Learn more about Fahmida Azim, illustrator of Muslim Women are Everything here. American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Follow us on Twitter (@AmMuProj) or Instagram (@american_muslim_project/) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Boston-based Pakistani-American actor, musician, behavioral health consultant, and self-identified miscreant Shahjehan Khan joins us to discuss his recent work voicing the dashing Italian American tour guide Matteo on RomComPods. Debuting as Apple’s #1 fiction podcast, we hear how this project expanded his definition of art, where COVID-era performers are recording these days, and how Shahjehan took his own journey through Pakistan in order to find himself. (Have you noticed how Americans are always going abroad to find themselves?) We also learn how his role as co-founder/guitarist/songwriter of the ever-evolving and internationally renowned South-Asian American punk rock band The Kominas has been a 15-year exercise in community building. As someone in long-term recovery who has at times felt like he had a fractured identity, he candidly details his mental health struggles, its correlation to creativity, and debates with Asad about the stigma of addiction in the Muslim community. Shahjehan reveals what it’s like to personally disrupt a Trump rally, and how it feels to finally be a brown guy cast in a white role. Find out what you should be watching, reading, and listening to, and the incredible way that the complicated Muslim American narrative is advancing. This interview with Shahjehan Khan was recorded in November 2020. You can learn more about his band, the Kominas, at kominas.bandcamp.com. The first season of RomComPods is available wherever you get your podcasts. View his recent performance as the co-lead actor in Guards at the Taj by the SoHo Shakespeare Company here. Finally, check out his ongoing project, Chaand Sequence, a COVID-era collaboration between artists who are children of immigrants creating music and art as a means of self-healing. Shahjehan's Recommendations: TV: Churails, Ramy, Insecure, Man Like Mobeen Movies: Sound of Metal, Mogul Mowgli, Swipe (short) Books: Moth Smoke Podcasts: Today, Explained, The Daily, Deconstructed, Yo, Is This Racist?, Politically Re-Active, Immigrantly, See Something Say Something American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Follow us on Twitter (@AmMuProj) or Instagram (@american_muslim_project/) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Besheer Mohamed, a software developer turned Senior Researcher at the preeminent Pew Research Center, joins us for this inaugural episode of American Muslim Project. As an expert on religious beliefs and practices in the United States with a special focus on religious minorities, he says American Muslims make up just over 1% of the U.S. population. Despite nearly half being born Stateside—many whose families have been here for generations—little to no good quantitative research on the Muslim community existed before 2007.  Besheer walks us through the abundant amount of data garnered in the last 13 years at Pew, tackling the massive question of how to determine what’s essential to being Muslim (spoiler alert: It’s not necessarily a belief in God). Would you be surprised to learn that American Muslims feel a strong duty to protect the environment and fight for justice? That the percentage of Muslims in the U.S. actually increased after 9/11? Or that over one in ten consistently leans Republican?  Perfecting the methodology in order to get manifold strangers to accurately open up about their religion, especially when variance abounds and Islamophobia looms large, is complex yet essential to Besheer’s success. His command of the nitty-gritty—the wording, question order, non-mutually-exclusive choices, etc.—plus the astute insight of polling experts (say, which size envelope and manner of addressing makes respondents more likely to act) renders each survey just so. Nonetheless, we ask what Pew has gotten wrong, and how having this data serves the greater good at all. From Besheer’s analyses we learn that human behavior and self-identification can sometimes be at odds. We consider, perhaps for the first time, how African-American Muslims may be doubly criminalized (both racially and religiously). And we find out what Pew’s reports indicate for the future of this massively diverse group known as American Muslims. This interview with Besheer Mohamed was recorded in December 2020. For the latest full report on Muslims, visit the Pew Research Center site. And to see what Besheer is up to or engage further on this topic, find him on Twitter (@bmoham). American Muslim Project is a production of Rifelion, LLC. Writer and Researcher: Lindsy Gamble Show Edited by Mark Annotto and Asad Butt Music by Simon Hutchinson Hosted by Asad Butt Follow us on Twitter (@AmMuProj) or Instagram (@american_muslim_project/) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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