Wild with Sarah Wilson

By Sarah Wilson

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Sarah Wilson chats wild ideas for a fired up life.

The multi-New York Times bestselling author, activist, minimalist and former news journalist who founded the global phenomenon ‘I Quit Sugar’ travelled the world for 10 years (living out of one bag) to explore the freshest ways to live fully…and to save this one wild and precious life we have together.

She riffs with philosophers, creatives, poets, scientists (and at least one nun!) on the Big Questions that haunt us. What goes through the mind of a prisoner on death row? How does Sia invent her art? Will we die from climate change and can our rage save us? Is being Australian a mental health crisis? Join Sarah as she wrestles a path to the answers…



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Episode Date
BAYO AKOMOLAFE: The times are urgent, let’s slow down and become a fugitive
48:33

This week’s guest will “shock you into noticing the world differently.” 

The glorious Bayo Akomolafe is a Nigerian-born Yoruba poet, author and teacher at universities and institutions across the UK, the US, Canada and India. He has also won the 2021 New Thought Walden Award which honours empowering spiritual ideas and philosophies that change lives and make our planet a better place. Bayo uses “trickster philosophy” and intense metaphors to present truly wild – but intuitively sound - ways to cope with the complex, existential challenges that we face.


This is a madly challenging conversation and we touch on relaxing into our entanglement with the world, and how to be a fugitive. Bayo invites us to abandon "solutionism" and to ask different questions: What is climate collapse asking of us? What if the way we’re responding to the crisis is part of the crisis? What if the “answer” is to join the chaos and give in to nature?


Bayo is a sage for our times and I truly encourage everyone to experience his wild mind and words…and to learn how to become a fugitive!


You can connect with Bayo via his website and Twitter 

Here is the poem I ask Bayo to read out 

And here is the essay What Climate Collapse Asks of Us 

He references Ursula K Le Guin’s book The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas


If you need to know a bit more about me… head to my "about" page

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Nov 29, 2022
HOLDEN KARNOFSKY: The most important century is now. Blimey
52:35

This episode continues the fascinating-slash-frightening journey I’ve been on with you, to understand what we should prioritise as we face potential existential end times. Today’s guest, Harvard researcher and philanthropist Holden Karnofsky, brings the AI, effective altruism, longtermism and anti-growth debates together with the clarion call: “This is our moment, this century is make-or-break, pay attention people!” It’s not an idle or hysterical call, it’s one that Holden has researched extensively and is backed by global leaders in the space. 


As some background: Holden founded Givewell, the charity evaluator that has raised more than $US1billion for charities that have saved more than 150,000 lives (Bill Gates, Sam Harris and the now disgraced billionaire Sam Bankman-Fried use it) and Open Philanthropy investigates more speculative causes. So if this is the most important century, what does it mean for us? What are our responsibilities? What’s going to happen? Buckle up, says Holden, because, “we live in wild times and should be ready for anything to happen”. 


Here’s the "most important century" blog post series we talk about.

I also flag Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro. As well as this Vice article about how scientists can’t explain how AI works.


You might also want to go back and listen to the episodes with Peter Singer on effective altruism, Will Macaskill on Longtermism and Elise Bohan on misaligned AI and transhumanism.

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Nov 22, 2022
CLARE PRESS: There is no such thing as sustainable fashion. Now what?
49:52

The fashion industry produces 20% of global wastewater and more carbon emissions than ALL international flights and ALL maritime shipping COMBINED. If nothing changes, by 2050 the fashion industry will use up a quarter of the world’s carbon budget.


Ex-Vogue journalist and founder of The Wardrobe Crisis (the book, podcast and academy) Clare Press joins me to wrestle the quandaries: Is vegan leather ethical? Are recycled plastic leggings green? What labels are legit carbon neutral? Does the stuff I donate to St Vinnies just go to landfill? (Yup.) Is it true when I return something online it goes to landfill and not back on rack? (Double yup!). I wanted to do this episode to set the truly shocking facts straight and share the tangible better options, but also to posit the wild idea of redefining fashion style in a new, far more creative way. Dig in!


Check out The Wardrobe Crisis, the book, podcast and academy of courses 

Follow Clare on instagram 

We discuss an Atlantic article about returning online purchases, you can read it here


Clare’s Recommendations:

The scorecard/resources for finding “good” brands: The Or Foundation, Oxfam’s Naughty or Nice, Fashion Revolution and Baptist World Aid Guide

The book to read: Loved clothes last by Orsola De Castro

The recycling app: Upparel

The influencer to follow: Maggis Zhu

The documentary to watch: 'Slay' 

The label: The Social Outfit in Newtown based in Sydney, or check out the sister organisations in Melbourne and London

I mentioned that Kay Montano in London had recommended a 1951 film The Man in the White Suit 

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Nov 15, 2022
JENNIFER ROBINSON: Public educated kids speak out!
47:30

There’s a young Australian human rights lawyer and barrister who has been at the centre of the most era-defining legal cases in the world. She has represented Julian Assange since 2010. She led the Amber Heard case. She worked on the case against the CIA’s drone strikes in Pakistan and a case against the Catholic Church over child sex abuse. She was also a legal adviser to The New York Times in the Murdoch phone-hacking scandal and regularly fronts up to the International Court of Justice and various UN human rights bodies representing the poor, oppressed, the maligned. Her name’s Jen Robinson, and she grew up in a low-income family in the small rural town of Berry, proudly schooled in public education and went on to be a Rhodes scholar and to work alongside Geoffrey Robertson and George Clooney’s wife Amal. 


Jen and I get mighty fired up about …speaking up...speaking up as an act of vitality and antidote to depression. We also cover why we want our friends to send their kids to public schools, the inside take on the Assange case, what we need to know about the Amber Heard case (big slap in face for me) and her new book, How Many More Woman, which shares how women can beat the legal system at its own game (and speak up!).


You can now purchase Jen’s book, How Many More Women here

Follow Jen on Twitter 

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Nov 08, 2022
BEAU MILES: become a backyard adventurer.
47:30

We crave adventure to break up the ho-hum of our everyday lives. But busting ruts doesn’t have to be all about conquering Everest or ticking off bucket list challenges. We can get the same result as a “backyard adventurer”.


Beau Miles, a Patagonia and Outward Bound ambassador, author and YouTube star, used to be a mad explorer – he’s indeed conquered Everest base camp, became the first person to run 650kms across the Australian Alps, kayaked Bass Strait and the rest. But a few years back he made the switch to exploring the world closer to home and now inspires a league of fans who froth over his mad-as videos of running the length of the old Warragul-Noojee Railway line to learn its history (dressed in a train driver uniform, carrying a shovel and three jars of dried pasta, just to chuck a hardship bomb into the equation), eating his body weight in beans (to see what happens), and spending a night in the tree outside his front door. This is a more of a fun two-way chat where the two of us compare notes on flipping your day-to-day life into a flirtation, getting out of life ruts, playing and loving being weird.


Grab Beau’s book The Backyard Adventurer: Meaningful and pointless expeditions, self-experiments and the value of other people's junk 

Stay up to date with all his adventures via Instagram 

You can watch Beau’s films here 

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Nov 01, 2022
KIERAN SETIYA: How to love living a hard life
54:06

Life is hard. And yet so much of contemporary life compels us to fight this fundamental reality. We are meant to be happy! We are meant to live our best, most #blissful, potential-stacked life! But I talk with Kieran Setiya, a professor of philosophy at MIT, who argues we should #NotLiveOurBestLife. It’s better to aspire to a life that is, well, good enough. Kieran has appeared on Sam Harris’ podcast, written for the New York Times, the London Review of Books etc bringing a philosophical argument to pop issues such as the Dave Chapelle quandary, baseball and the worth of having a midlife crises.  In his latest book, Life is Hard, he draws on Aristotle, Wittgenstein, and Simone Weil - as well as Groundhog Day and Joan Didion – to guide us to a good life, which entails embracing pain and hardship. In this chat we cover: How to make friends; what if the whole world turned sterile; the beauty of chronic pain and Kieran’s thesis for “the meaning of life” (it’s a cracker, and it’s not 42!).


Grab Kieran’s book Life Is Hard: How Philosophy Can Help Us Find Our Way

Read some of his essays and connect with him via his website

He mentions he came across Wild via this interview with Katherine May 

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Oct 25, 2022
KIM STANLEY ROBINSON: The greatest living sci-fi author goes hiking
59:29

He is regarded as the greatest science fiction writer alive and his most recent book, set in the climate catastrophe-wracked near future, The Ministry for the Future, is recommended widely by Barack Obama and Ezra Klein and such is the accuracy of his futuristic depictions Kim Stanley Robinson is now called upon to consult on climate solutions by the Pentagon and at COP26. 


But Kim is also a mad hiker and his latest book The High Sierra: A Love Story is a hiking guidebook-slash-meditation-slash-dedication to what he calls psychogeology (the way places shape the ways we think). I’ve been busting to have this chat. The Ministry for the Future blew my mind when I read it at the end of 2020, and we cover a bunch of expansive and wild ideas: how moving your desk outdoors can restart your career, geoengineering, donut economics and what your hiking gear says about your lack of critical thought (Kim is an ultra-lighter; wait until you hear how much is backpack weighs for a week’s trek!). Kim is 70 now and in many ways I find this chat to be inspirational fodder for mapping a life well-lived.


Grab a copy of The Ministry for the Future 

Kim’s latest book is The High Sierra: A Love Story


We also mention: 

Nan Shepard: The Living Mountain

Thomas Piketty: Brief History of Equality

Kate Raworth: Doughnut Economics

And here’s a link to Network for Greening the Financial Systems

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Oct 18, 2022
MATT BROWNE: The rise of the bro-caster guru (it’s a thing!)
58:07

Do you listen to Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand or maybe a bit of Lex Freidman? They are the biggest names in podcasting (and beyond) and they started out as progressive voices, robustly questioning the status quo and challenging dominant interests and often bringing alternative spiritual or psychological perspectives to the big debates. But a trend has emerged among this crew of “bro-casters”. 


My guest in this episode, Australian psychology academic Matt Browne, argues that as their fame rises, many slide into taking on “guru” status. Matt is cohost of DECODING THE GURUS, a somewhat controversial podcast that does as it says on the packet, and I get him on to dissect this pop cultural phenomenon for us. 


We talk: the intellectual dark web (IDW); “galaxy brain”; what’s the deal with their all-meat diets and love of MMA; why young men flock to these gurus; and what it all says about the world, specifically our need for good, humble leadership. It’s a bit of a “meta” chat this one, but wild and intriguing too. I challenge everyone to determine their own take as they listen to Matt and I dissect the topic (he and I don’t agree on it all, BTW).


Listen to Decoding the Gurus here

Follow Matt on twitter

Matt mentions two non “pseude psychological bullshit” podcasts to look out for: Very Bad Wizards and Two Psychologists Four Beers.


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Oct 11, 2022
MARY ANN SIEGHART: Smash the authority gap!
47:13

There is a massive “authority gap” that exists in the world today, where women are taken way less seriously than men and still treated as less competent. They are interrupted four times as often as men and are overlooked for not being as confident as a bloke (while studies show that men’s perceived additional confidence is mostly “bullshitting”). And, yet, as my guest London-based journalist and broadcaster Mary Ann Sieghart explains, there are only wins to be had by closing this authority gap.


Mary Ann both coined the term and wrote the book by the same name and she shares with me that when gender parity is achieved men experience less divorce, less suicide, less addiction, their chances of dying a violent death are almost halved and their happiness increases; while nations with female leaders have less corruption, better health outcomes and experience a spike in GDP. I find this chat wild in its dispelling of the misconception that making the world more balanced is a zero-sum game (that as women achieve gains, men lose out). Quite the opposite! 


Our chat comes on the 10-year anniversary of former Australian PM Julia Gillard’s misogyny speech…Mary Ann leaves us with a super interesting insight on this, too.


Grab Mary Ann’s book, The Authority Gap

Follow her on Instagram and Twitter

Here’s the data on the gender gap in Australia that I refer to. 

And here’s Julia Gillard’s misogyny speech in full. 

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Oct 04, 2022
ELISE BOHAN: Ah shit, transhumanism….
55:55

What if we could bioengineer our bodies to live forever, would we and should we? What if we could avoid all the awkward bits of sex and just neatly copulate with a robot? And what if we never had to go through the bother and pain of pregnancy and could instead use artificial external wombs? Would we? And should we?


Transhumanists say these are moot questions because the superhuman or post-human train has well and truly left the station. We’re only decades from these altered, souped up realities. Oxford transhumanist scholar Elise Bohan and I roll our sleeves up to discuss the litany of moral questions that arise from this, like why the hell were we not consulted on this before the train took off? Has anyone stopped to ask if this is what humanity wants or can handle morally? We chat about the singularity, the particularly worrying effects on men and dating and Elise posits a timeframe for AI intelligence taking over from human smarts (!). If ever there was a conversation in history to get us talking about what matters and makes for a flourishing existence, this is it. Take a deep breath…


Grab Elise’s book, Future Superhuman: Our Transhuman Lives in a Make-or-Break Century 

I refer to the book Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro

And we reference previous podcast chats with William Macaskill

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Sep 27, 2022
JOELLE GERGIS: How an IPCC lead author does climate grief
48:42

You know the latest IPCC* Assessment Report? The one that came out at the end of 2021 that the UN secretary general dubbed “Code Red for humanity”? Australian climate scientist Joëlle Gergis was one of its lead authors responsible for its 3 million words of truly stark wake-up-call content.


This episode I catch up with her at the Byron Writer’s Festival (where she was launching her new book on climate grief) and volley her with questions compiled by my Substack membership community.


What does the report predict for Australia in 20 years? What can I tell my Dad when he says “we’ve always had climate warming cycles”? Is carbon capture and storage a furphy? Joelle rallies off the facts, but also shares a beautiful wisdom on climate grief, or “solastalgia” as it’s often called. 


* International Panel on Climate Change


Grab Joëlle's book now Humanity's Moment: A climate scientist's case for hope

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Sep 20, 2022
JOSH SZEPS: In which the Joe Rogan regular interviews ME!
58:00

Right, we’re doing something different this episode. Uber-talented radio/TV/podcast host and contrarian Josh Szeps has me on his Uncomfortable Conversations podcast to chat sugar, cannonau wine, class wars, woke-speak, ethics, the decline of innovation in wealthy countries, how men around the world behave on dating apps and the perils of looking like could be on an insurance ad. 


For some context: Josh is currently the host of afternoons on ABC Radio Sydney and you might also have heard him hosting a bunch of other TV, radio and podcast shows here and in the US where he was a regular on NBC’s Today Show, or the time – earlier this year – when he ‘annihilated’ Joe Rogan during a rambling frustrating chat about vaccines. 


Check out Josh’s podcast Uncomfortable Conversations

Follow Josh on Twitter and Instagram

That Harvard study I mention? Check it out here


I also mention my podcast ep with Lech Blaine. You can listen here 

As well as the Will Macaskill chat on Longtermism…listen here 


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Sep 13, 2022
A.C. GRAYLING: How to have your own life philosophy
51:22

If only we all learned to think more we might solve the problems of the world. This is a thesis British philosopher A.C. Grayling has devoted much of his life to via his 40-odd books, the philosophy college he founded in London and his engagement in global debates on euthanasia, the existence God, Brexit and beyond. In his latest book, For the Good of the World, he applies it to the challenge of achieving global agreement to solve the various global catastrophes we have created. 


In this fun chat we talk “Graylings Law”, the “hard problem” of consciousness and why tech bros and young men love stoicism; I present him with the ethical quandary of putting lentils in SUV tyre valves as an act of global good; and he shows us how to develop our own life philosophy…by loving, engaging in and wrestling with thinking. He also leaves us with some wild quotes and reads and wisdoms with which to start the process.


Purchase your copy of For the Good of the World: Is a Universal Ethics Possible


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Sep 06, 2022
ANDREW QUILTY: “I chose to live in a war zone” (possibly the most intimate pod chat so far)
45:49

This episode is an intense one. It’s with multi-Walkley Award-winning Australian photographer Andrew Quilty who has spent the past eight years living and working in the Afghanistan capital Kabul, documenting the conflict for publications around the world. We talk about the details of the decades-long occupation and go into the story of that day - one year ago - when the Taliban arrived at the gates of Kabul as the allied forces and tens of thousands of Afghans tried to flee in scenes of chaos and tragedy (which he shares in his new book August in Kabul). 


But, really, this conversation is more about meaning. And what makes life worthwhile when the standard accoutrements are stripped away by destruction and human ugliness? I recommend looking up Andrew's photographs as you listen to him in this episode share his very raw account of life in a war zone, his take on the morality of capturing and sharing images of humans in their worst moments, as well as his very intimate reflections on finding meaning in “homecoming”.


Andrew’s book, August in Kabul is out this week

Scroll his photographs as you listen

We mention Sebastian Junger’s Tribe… you can grab it here 


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Aug 30, 2022
MARK O’CONNELL: Meet the apocalypse preppers
43:38

In exclusive pockets around the world rich, white (mostly) men are prepping for end times. They are hoarding resources and building bunkers, putting billions into funding their place on Mars. They could be funding renewable energy projects, or putting their efforts into restoring political stability, you know, finding ways for humanity to survive on our beloved Earth. But no. 


Irish author and journalist Mark O’Connell conducted something of a perverse pilgrimage of these pockets for his book Notes from an Apocalypse and in this episode I talk with him about how we should feel about such a dividing phenomenon. And, importantly, what we can learn from it…before it becomes our future. 


Follow Mark on Twitter

Grab Mark’s book, Notes from an Apocalypse: A Personal Journey to the End of the World and Back


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Aug 23, 2022
WILLIAM MACASKILL: On “longtermism” and moral responsibility
51:47

Our existential risk – the probability that we could wipe ourselves out due to AI, bio-engineering, nuclear war, climate change, etc. in the next 100 years – currently sits at 1 in 6. Let that sink in!  Would you get on a plane if there was a 17% chance it would crash? Would you do everything you could to prevent a calamity if you were presented with those odds? 


My chat today covers a wild idea that could – and should -  better our chances of existing as a species…and lead to a human flourishing I struggle to even imagine. Long Termism argues that prioritisng the long term future of humanity has exponential ethical and existential boons. Flipside, if we don’t choose the long termist route, the repercussions are, well, devastating.


Will MacAskill is one of the world’s leading moral philosophers and I travel to Oxford UK, where he runs the Global Centre of Effective Altruism, the Global Priorities Institute and the Forethought Foundation, to talk through these massive moral issues. Will also explains that right now is the most important time in humanity’s history. Our generation singularly has the power and responsibility to determine two diametrically different paths for humanity. This excites me; I hope it does you, too.


Learn more about Will MacAskill’s work 

Purchase his new book What We Owe the Future: A million year view 


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Aug 16, 2022
ROB HENDERSON: Woke “luxury beliefs” are the new Birkins and Bentleys
51:11

The wealthy elite once signalled their status with expensive handbags and super yachts. Now they do it with what Rob Henderson calls “luxury beliefs” - so-called politically correct pronouncements that, in reality, only the rich can afford to live by and thusly differentiate them from the rest of us. We’re talking about such wokenesses as “defund the police” and calls for drug legalisation, death to marriage and putting “polyamorous” on your dating profile. Of course, defunding the police is all very well if you can afford to live in a gated community with low crime and security guards. 


It should be said, Rob, now a moral philosopher at the University of Cambridge, comes at this wild idea from a very unique perspective. He grew up poor, a foster kid who was doing drugs at the age of 9 and who had to learn to decode elite signalling as an outsider once he hit the liberal US university scene. This is a super juicy and confronting thesis, evidence of which I can’t stop noticing everywhere and I loved the way Rob applies the wild idea to online dating, cancel culture and conservative politics.


Follow Rob on Twitter

Check out Rob's Website

And you can read the New York Times op-ed we talk about.

His book Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class will be published in the European fall of 2023.

We chat about Joseph Henrich’s WEIRD theory and class myths in Australia from my Lech Blaine chat, both ran a few episodes back. 


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Aug 09, 2022
Ask Me Anything: In which British National Treasure Melissa Hemsley fires your questions at me
41:24

Breaking things up a bit this episode with an AMA from London where I'm staying with my good friend Melissa Hemsley, cookbook author, sustainable food advocate and humanitarian. Mel kindly reads out a bunch of juicy questions: Do you have botox? How do we stay hopeful in the climate crisis when giving up and just enjoying the few remaining "normal years" is easier? Should 16 year-olds be allowed to vote? What about trying mushrooms for anxiety? How do you make friends as an adult? 

Much of the chat comes back to pulsing between the either/ors we are confronted with, finding the "sweet spot" and making the struggle artful. 


You can follow Melissa @melissa.hemsley and melissahemsley.com...she runs cooking courses and tutorials.


Some of the other names we mentioned:

@susanjanekitchen

@thehappypear

@clerkenwellboyec1


I mentioned the link to the beauty products I use https://www.nourishedlife.com.au/search.html?tag=sarah-wilson



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Aug 02, 2022
KATHERINE MAY: The power of “Wintering”
46:44

Wintering is the process of resting and withdrawing in dark, or fallow, periods, respecting the rhythm of the cycles of nature and the role of winter. A lost art in a summer-based culture. British author Katherine May writes: “There are gaps in the mesh of the everyday world, and sometimes they open up and you fall through them to somewhere else..into a sad and lonely and isolated place." These gaps may open from the loss of a loved one, difficult childbirth, illness, the loss of a job, failure in love and so on.


In this chat, Katherine and I go deep and gentle, on creating space (as opposed to time) to reflect, “enjoying” sadness and how to carve out a meaningful life when you have a chronic illness (and autism). Katherine’s wild idea is that returning to a cyclical - rather than forever-reaching linear – view of the human experience is how we can bring about the healing and guidance we need in such dark and sad times. 


Learn more about Katherine here 

Buy her book Wintering

Katherine's next book, Enchantment, will be published in 2023.


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Jul 26, 2022
DAVID FULLER: Sensemaking 101
1:04:26

We can’t make sense of the world anymore, right? How can we when our leaders lie, the media publishes non-truths, conspiracies spread faster than facts and the algorithms favour bullshit? Recently, I’ve started following a “Sensemaking movement” of philosophers, renegades, sociologists and psychologists who are trying to return the world to truthfulness. And it excites me no end! Sensemaking is a very fun and dynamic set of theories and techniques for sorting truth from lies and also for ensuring we live truthfully ourselves. 


While I was in London, I sat down with BBC filmmaker David Fuller who founded Rebel Wisdom – THE international hub for this movement - to do something a little different. I got him to run us through a 101 on how to sense-make. We cover lies v bullshitting (and how bullshitting is more dangerous) the Boris/Scott/Donald travesty (all bullshitters), sovereignty and arguing with climate sceptics. Along the way he gives a brilliant overview of what really is the most exciting and wild “wisdom” movement to emerge in decades. I feel this is a really important episode for where I’ll be taking this Wild ride in the coming months.


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Jul 19, 2022
DAVID WALLACE-WELLS: “The climate crisis might not be as bad as we thought” (a slight retraction)
53:39

He famously wrote the New York magazine essay that told us “it is worse, much worse than you think” and painted an apocalyptic picture of an “Uninhabitable Earth” by 2100.


The essay, which became the #1 New York Times bestseller 'The Uninhabitable Earth', singlehandedly shook the world into “OK, we’re officially freaked out” mode.


But five years on, is the climate emergency as bad as David Wallace-Wells initially portrayed? Will Manhattan be underwater? Will there be half as much food, twice as much war and hundreds of millions of climate refugees? David, now one of the most well-known climate voices in the world, joins me to adjust his initial prognosis. Strap in for this one…it’s an important and confronting (yet hopeful) ride.


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Or get The Uninhabitable Earth: A Story of the Future on Amazon

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Jul 12, 2022
KYLIE MOORE-GILBERT: How to survive 804 days captured and tortured by Iranian militants
51:16

She spent two years and three months in a brutal Iranian prison. In solitary confinement for half of it. For a crime that was entirely made up. The Melbourne University lecturer was attending a conference in Iran when she was randomly captured at the airport and charged with “espionage” based on zero evidence.


How do you survive such horror? How do you cope with living in a cell with nothing but a scrap of carpet for a year? Not knowing if anyone knows your whereabouts, waiting to be hanged? What is the internal voice that gets you through?


Kylie Moore-Gilbert has one of the most incredible stories I’ve heard.


In this interview, she is generously open and raw about the mind techniques that can get a human through untold hardship, how she found joy and forgiveness amid it all, how she wrote her book in her head while in prison, and what is left when we lose it all.


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I highly recommend buying Kylie’s book The Uncaged Sky


The other book we mention in the chat is Victor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning.


Listen to Dr Jud Brewer’s chat about curiosity.


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Jul 05, 2022
JOSEPH HENRICH: You are weird! Here’s the scientist who can explain why
37:37

I really love the wild theory we explore in this episode. About 1500 years ago some obscure Catholic pope declared we probably shouldn’t marry our cousin. And from here the “West” was born. A psychologically peculiar subset of humanity then rose to dominate the planet, namely western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic folk. You know, WEIRD people. You and I. Joseph Henrich is a Harvard professor in evolutionary biology who took 10 years to research this truly Zeitgeist-shifting theory. Today he explains how the arrogant assumption that we are the “normal” ones has led to some very bizarre stuff – whether we pay parking tickets, how much testosterone we have and whether we feel shame or guilt when we do wrong.


Connect with Dr Henrich’s work here.


Get hold of his fun book The Weirdest People In The World 


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Jun 30, 2022
LECH BLAINE: The death of "blokes" (strap in for this one!)
46:09

I have been wanting to talk blokedom for a very long time: How and why it defines so much about Australia; how it excludes and masks the existence of class inequalities; and how it holds us back as a nation. The myth of the larrikin bloke is something writer Lech Blaine has been studying for some time. Hailing from a very working class background in Toowoomba, Queensland, he went on to be the first person in his extended family to go to university. He wrote a Quarterly Essay in September last year titled Top Blokes: The larrikin Myth, Class and Power (which I highly recommend reading). And in this month’s Monthly magazine he has written an epic overview of the election, which assesses Scott Morrison's demise as a reflection of the need to move on from the "top bloke" trope. The wild idea on the table this episode: Might it be time to kill off this sexist, racist myth...and move forward to better and fairer and kinder?


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Jun 21, 2022
JULIA CAMERON: How to live the artist's way
40:21

In 1992 Julia Cameron published a book that saw the whole world (it seemed) suddenly writing "morning pages", these free-from diary entries that unblocked creativity. The Artist's Way was the title and it became a global bestseller in 40 languages. Alicia Keys, John Cleese and Tim Ferris are fans; Elizabeth Gilbert wrote, “Without The Artist’s Way there would have been no Eat, Pray, Love.”

 

Julia has had a wild life – she wrote for Rolling Stone magazine at the height of New Journalism. She was married to Martin Scorsese and collaborated with him on several films and also struggled with a cocaine and alcohol addiction. Now 74, she’s written her 41st book, Seeking Wisdom, which brings in the spiritual act of asking for guidance as another tool for unblocking creativity.

 

Julia’s new book Seeking Wisdom is out now Purchase Here

You can check out her creative work via her website

In this ep I also mention my interview about curiosity with DR JUD BREWER and my chat with SETH GODIN about the artist process, if you want to go check them out.


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Jun 14, 2022
PROF GEORGE PAXINOS: Are our brains "good" enough to save the planet?
45:03

In this brain-bending ep we explore this wild idea: are there good brains and can we find a way to use them to save the planet. My guest is Professor George Paxinos AO, the world’s leading brain expert.


The 78-year-old Greek-Australian is the most famous scientist you’ve never heard of – he’s identified and named more parts of the brain than anyone in history. He’s also a climate activist (and cycling activist!) and spent 21 years writing his latest book, River Divided, a novel about (ready for it) a female scientist who clones Jesus. The resulting twin boys go on to wrestle the climate crisis via the moral compass of The Son of God. So wild!


 You can order River Divided and read a free chapter here.


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Jun 07, 2022
SHEENA IYENGAR: How to choose the best option
49:31

Sheena Iyengar’s The Art of Choosing – the book and the wildly popular TED talk – posits a profoundly paradoxical idea. Despite what we might think, we don’t like choice, or at least not too much of it. Which is why arranged marriages lead to more lasting love than “romantic” marriages and ALDI stocks one version of everything. To make the best decisions in our lives, there is a “magic number” of options we should aim for…and it’s less than you think. The Columbia University pscho-economist is famous for conducting the original “paradox of choice” studies as - and this bit blows my mind – a fully blind woman. She and I talk through all the fun paradoxes of our odd relationship to choice and how to navigate them to make the best, most joyful decisions. 


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May 31, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 12, Last thoughts…with Betoota Advocate
53:30

THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 12, Last thoughts…with Betoota Advocate


It's been a wild ride but here ends our journey together. Wendell Hussey from the awesome satirical news site and I answer last questions about the election, who to vote for if you care about climate, what to do if there are no indies in your electorate, what if one of the parties directs my preferences (hint: they can't) and what do we think will be the ideal outcome for Australia (I don't hold back). We return to the normal format next week with some awesome guests. Meantime, please do rate this pod. To keep things going here, I will need some 5 star love! Love you all!


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May 19, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 11, Why we must vote for a First Nations Voice, with Prof Megan Davis
32:03

For 15 years, successive governments have kicked the Indigenous Voice to Parliament can down the road. A referendum to enshrine a Voice into the constitution has been shown time and time again to be the most important first step to closing the yawning - and growing - gap between Indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. Three quarters of Australians say they want it…and yet here we are again! Today Prof Megan Davis, a Cobble Cobble Aboriginal woman, human rights lawyer and co-architect of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, joins us to explain the importance of voting for candidates who support the Voice. My friends, it's time. As Megan says in our chat, this election is a sliding doors moment.


Please do read the Uluru Statement From the Heart and support the cause https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/


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May 16, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 10, How will a hung Parliament work? Will it be chaos? Tony Windsor sets us straight
32:56

It’s looking very possible that this election will result in a hung parliament, where one of the parties must form a minority government with a bunch of independents. The implications of this are huge (and exciting!) and it’s worth knowing how it would work (and how it could be the right kind of shake-up we need). Former independent Tony Windsor was one of the crossbenchers who famously had to form government last time this happened in 2010. He talks us through the behind the scenes stuff and the scare campaign tactics that are being flung about the place.


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May 12, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 9, Who has the best policies for women with Jane Caro and CheekMedia's Kristen Perissinotto
37:36

Australia has become a country with one of the worst records for gender equality in the world. A picture worsened by the misogyny we've witnessed from within Parliament in the past 18 months. And so women are rallying this election according to many polls. This ep we cover the policies and commitments to look out for that will change the system for all women and finish by answering your questions regarding the public v private school funding fiasco. I also provide a few widgets and hacks for navigating your vote.


Find out more about Jane Caro’s Senate campaign https://www.janecaro4reason.com.au

Follow Cheekmedia https://www.instagram.com/cheekmediaco/

This is the Fair Agenda site where you can get the score on your candidates https://voteforsafety.com.au

You might also like to check out https://www.safetyrespectequity.com.au


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May 10, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 8, How to #voteclimate, with Richie Merzian
32:11

Climate is the #1 issue this election for Australian voters. And yet politicians are making a meal of it and hiding their lacking climate policies in misinformation. This ep I outline each party’s climate policy (or lackthereof in the case of the Liberal National Party) and I invite The Australia Institute’s climate director Richie to sift through the classic climate lines/lies that are bandied about so that we can all navigate things more clearly, you know the ones, that we’re meeting our commitments “at a canter”, that EVs can’t tow a boat, that renewable energy kills jobs…


You can learn more about the Richie’s work The Australia Institute https://australiainstitute.org.au/expert/richie-merzian/

Here’s the ACF report I mention

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/auscon/pages/20278/attachments/original/1651099093/The_truth_about_jobs_creation_-_ACF_report.pdf?1651099093


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May 08, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 7, A dead simple guide to voting (tag and share!)
38:18

Here, all your granular questions about voting answered in one spot. A great 101 for first timers or a primer for everyone who would like to be on top of things this year.


What’s voting above vs below the line? How do I make my preferences work best? How do I know if my #1 vote won’t be passed onto another party? Are How To Vote cards dodgy? What if no one wins a majority of seats?


Evan Ekin-Smyth from the Australian Electoral Commission joins me to nut it all out and I share all the best hacks and links for getting the information you need.


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May 05, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 6, What if Anthony Albanese becomes PM? with Karen Middleton
47:12

Who is “Albo"? The Labor leader has been in politics for 26 years and yet many Australians struggle to name the guy or pick him in a line-up. His opponents capitalise on this and paint him as meek and not upfront, even “not on the ball”. In this chat with Karen Middleton, chief political correspondent for The Saturday Paper who also wrote Albanese’s biography, we get a very different picture of a sensitve but gritty and strategic operator who “operates 10-steps ahead of anyone else”. We talk his childhood growing up in a council flat, That Gaffe, his relationship with, and policies for, women and why Labor is not banning fossil fuel projects (it’s a strategy). This ep runs a little longer, but it covers other issues many of you have been asking about and Karen is a font of political information…I figured you’d enjoy the lot!


Read Karen’s columns in The Saturday Paper https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/contributor/karen-middleton

Her biography of Anthony Albanese is called Albanese: Telling it Straight


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May 04, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 5, Who *actually* is Scott Morrison? Sean Kelly explains
35:53

There’s a lot we don’t know about our current Prime Minister. And what we do know - daggy dad, makes curry on the barbecue, Sharkies fan - is crafted by the ex-marketing man himself, the bloke who gave himself the moniker “ScoMo”.


His biographer the Nine newspapers’ Sean Kelly joins me to talk through our PM'S past; the Hungry Jacks ad; how he left all previous jobs “under a cloud”; where his slogans and tactics came from; as well as his love of the Pentecostal church, whose followers believe that “end times” are nigh (but don’t worry, the believers will be saved while the rest of us…get to burn in the climate crisis hell left behind).


Sean explains how Morrison's faith and the fact that he uniquely treats politics as a game has shaped the political landscape and landed us with a leader who lies and bullies. Sean also unpacks what it likely says about Australia if we “buy into” Morrison's marketing and slogan-making for another term on May 21.


I think many of you will find this ep particularly revealing!


Follow Sean https://twitter.com/mrseankelly

And read his columns https://www.smh.com.au/by/sean-kelly-h1d26a

Grab hold of his wonderful book The Game, A Portrait of Scott Morrison

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May 01, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 4, Things have got dodgy, we need an ICAC with teeth, with Mike Seccombe
29:57

On today’s ep we pull apart the corruption, lies, the removal and defunding of crucial bodies that hold governments to account, the stacking of boards with fossil fuel executives and the dead crook behaviour that has defined the current Government.


Mike Seccombe is the national correspondent for The Saturday Paper and has covered this descent into what some political commentators have described as the worst era in Australian politics. It all explains why 81% of Australians want a federal anti-corruption body (or ICAC).


And, I guess, why some candidates and parties are pushing for one ...and some are not. If you’re baffled by it all, join us as we thrash the whole sorry issue out…as well as the best solutions for voters.



You can check out Mike’s columns at The Saturday Paper https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/contributor/mike-seccombe


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Apr 28, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP3, So what are these independents about, with Grattan Institute CEO Danielle Wood
36:40

This is where things get a bit fun! And, actually, this episode explains WHY i decided to do this election series.


So. The policy and ideas gridlock is real. And there’s a reason for it. But there’s also a solution and policy think tank The Grattan Institute has mapped it out with research. It’s to vote in a number of climate-focused MPs who do not belong to either of the major parties. As it happens, there are about 30 running across Australia this election, and if three of them (give or take) get voted in May 21, then they will hold the balance of power. And thusly Australia has the best chance of moving forward on those 5 Pillars of Care I keep banging on about: climate policy; a federal corruption body; women's equality; an indigenous voice to parliament; and addressing the growing divide between the haves and have nots. It might sound wonky and complex, but the Institute's Danielle and I break the whole thing down into simple - and super hopeful - terms.


That Gridlock report we talk about? It’s here https://grattan.edu.au/institutional-change-needed-to-reignite-policy-reform/

You can learn about the independents, and see if there’s one running in your electorate, here https://www.climate200.com.au


I mention a few “teal indies” I follow on Instagram:

Dr Monique Ryan for Kooyong https://www.instagram.com/mon4kooyong/

Allegra Spender running in Wentworth https://www.instagram.com/allegra.spender/

Zoe Daniel for Goldstein https://www.instagram.com/zoedaniel/

Kylea Tink for North Sydney https://www.instagram.com/kyleatink/

Hannabeth Luke in Page https://www.instagram.com/hanabethluke/

Kate Chaney for Curtin in WA https://www.instagram.com/chaneyforcurtin/

David Pocock in Canberra (senate) https://www.instagram.com/davidpocock/


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Apr 26, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: EP 2, You’re not imagining it, things have got pretty bad... with Jan Fran and Zara Seidler
32:39

In this episode, we lay out where things are at as we head into the election campaign proper. Consider it a primer (if you’re just starting to get engaged in all this election guff). I’m joined by cofounder of @TheDailyAus Zara Seidler and Walkley Award-winning journalist, comedian and activist Jan Fran to chat through the frustration and fatigue (why we’re feeling it), as well as what is actually mattering to us…particular policies and issues to look out for (they’re not what you expect). We also answer a question about how polls work.


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Apr 24, 2022
THIS WILD ELECTION: Ep 1, I’m doing an election mini-series for everyone who gives a sh*t about where Australia is heading!
18:53

Yep, a one-stop pod that shows how we can make our vote count toward a more caring, humane, vibrant Australia on May 21. To kick off, I explain why I think this election is the most important in recent history, why things feel so fractured and dismal (you’re not imagining it; the country has swerved well off track!), but most importantly how we can strategically shake things up election day and land a hopeful result. I’ll be posting twice a week over the next month or so, speaking to my old friends from my political journalism days, and covering off how to vote if you care about the following: a legit climate policy; stamping out integrity and corruption in Canberra; fixing the bloody gender violence and inequality mess (it’s 2022, fellas!!); installing a First Nations voice to parliament; as well as the growing social issues that are splitting the haves and have nots like I’ve never seen before. So…not your usual political podcast. Sound good? Tell your friends and remember to keep sending me voice messages in my Instagram messages if you want your questions answered along the way.


show notes:

Find out how to postal vote and how to vote if you’re interstate or overseas on election day: https://www.aec.gov.au

To find your electorate and all the candidates running in your electorate go to https://votecompass.abc.net.auA

And while you’re there, fill in the survey to find out which party your values are aligned with.

To have your question answered in the series, send me a direct message via Instagram @_sarahwilson_ . When you go to post your message, hit the microphone icon and record your question. Please state your name and where you live, and then fire off what you’d like addressed (1-2 sentences max!).


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Apr 21, 2022
SARA NESS: How to “win" difficult conversations
1:07:56

Frankly, if the world needs anything right now it's better, more authentic, and discerning communication. In so many ways we seem to have lost track of how and WHY we get into such polarised positions. Sara Nass is a world expert (and the unofficial organiser of) the global authentic relating movement. I invite her to share tips on how we can be more artful at relating. How do we RELATE to people who've gone down conspiracy rabbit-holes? How do we navigate teenagers who've been in a pandemic cocoon…? How do we ask for a pay rise? How do we combat gaslighters? And how do we inject more kindness?

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Apr 05, 2022
PETE DAVIS: A scientific (and spiritual) case to quit flaking... and commit already!
47:40

It's time to give a shit. To fire up. To say yes — and mean it. Whether you're endlessly scrolling Netflix for the perfect movie or looking for a date online or wanting to make a “difference", it's time to commit. Global democracy expert Pete Davis says we've been hoodwinked into thinking we need to keep our options open. But our creative urges, our sense of humanity, our political system needs decisiveness, and all that flaking is eroding society (not just the dating scene!). We talk how to build our "psychological immune system”, the Grateful Dead, why good things take a long time and the loveliness of “long haul heroes”.

Read Dedicated by Pete Davis: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/mgkVDZ 


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Mar 31, 2022
JASON HICKEL: Degrowth economics! It’s wild, it could save us…
50:12

Economic anthropologist Jason Hickel is possibly the leading voice in the degrowth movement that's bubbling about the place. Heard of it? Degrowth pivots around the wild idea that constant growth - and GDP - is the wrong goal. Instead, human, and planetary wellbeing should be our marker of progress. You know, if we want to survive. I drill Jason on the implications: the necessary end of capitalism, four-day work weeks, accepting renewable growth can't save us (eek!), the uncomfortable truth that our unchecked obsession with “more" is killing the poor (despite what Bill Gates will try telling you). Basically, all the talking points to chuck on the table at your next (too) comfortable dinner party!

Read Less is More by Jason Hickel: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/Gj1rqn 


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Mar 22, 2022
PETER SINGER: How much should you be giving to charity to be a 'good person'?
50:39

The 'world's most influential philosopher' loves to whack us around the head with our own morality. Aussie-born Peter Singer, the guy who brought us vegetarianism (and is also dubbed the most “dangerous” man on the planet) has spoken out on euthanasia, abortion, bestiality, cancel culture and mandatory vaccinations. But this episode he gets us wrestling with the ‘effective altruism' movement he helped bring about. We go in hard. Can you be good if you don't give a chunk of your income away? Is it moral to send your kids to private school? And should we shame the rich who don't give?

Details about Peter's speaking tour: https://thinkinc.org.au/singer/ 

More about Peter's book and the organisation he founded — www.thelifeyoucansave.org.au/ 

Read the Journal of Controversial Ideas: https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/ 

Recommended charities, analysis and research — www.givewell.org/ 

Looking to find a more meaningful career? https://80000hours.org/ 

The national animal advocacy organisation that Peter helped start: https://animalsaustralia.org/ 


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Mar 14, 2022
JOHANN HARI: THIS is why you're finding the world too much
52:50

Author, Johann Hari reckons our ability to focus didn't just disappear — it was stolen! This is a crisis and it's not your fault. Johann explains why you touch your phone 2167 times a day, why the average office worker can only focus on a task for three minutes, and why our kids' attention is shot. But it's one thing to lose the joy of reading a long book, it's another to distract an entire society away from democracy, peace and, well, survival. This is what distresses me most - we've become a shouty-yet-consenting “society on fire”. Mercifully, Johann has fixes...

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Mar 08, 2022
AMY REMEIKIS: Decodes the sexual violence clusterf*** in Parliament House
43:09

Political reporter for The Guardian and sexual assault survivor Amy Remeikis joins me for International Women's Day to give an insider's view on the vile situation for women in politics - and beyond - in this country. The national conversation has erupted over the past 12 months and accusations from inside Parliament House itself continue to unfold. Amy reveals why the usual political deflection tactics didn't work, why it's perfect we're all angry and the shocking statistics that put Australia at the BOTTOM of all the latest global gender gap indexes.

Read On Reckoning by Amy Remeikis: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/7mx96g 

International Women's Day is Tuesday, 8 March.


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Mar 01, 2022
BRIAN KLASS: Why so many leaders in 2022 are dodgy, awful humans
44:40

Leading international political scientist Brian Klass answers the Big Questions we're all asking: Why does it seem everyone in charge is a narcissistic psychopath? Does power corrupt or is it just that dodgy people are really really good at weaselling their way into power? And how does our PM get away with brazenly lying? It's a great time in history to get Brian in; he interviewed 500 leaders around the world — presidents, cultists, war criminals, and even drank wine with the daughter of a cannibalistic dictator — to arrive at the (throughly wild) answer to our questions above. If nothing else, you'll better understand why your kid's netball coach is a hell-bent tyrant…

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Feb 22, 2022
SISTER HELEN PREJEAN: The radical (!) nun who wrote ‘Dead Man Walking’
47:09

Meet the 82-year-old radical Catholic nun who's the most prominent campaigner against the death penalty in the US. Sister Helen Prejean wrote ‘Dead Man Walking', which became the movie (Susan Sarandon played Helen). In this episode you'll hear about the horrifying close calls, when prisoners have been spared moments before their execution and other statistics that have us confront our humanity. But first, why did Sister Helen become a nun and… how do you handle a life without sex!?

 

Sister Helen's website: https://www.sisterhelen.org/ 

 

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Sister Helen has a memoir, River of Fire: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/2rYLmD 


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Feb 15, 2022
BONUS EPISODE 3: Tips and guided meditation for anxiety
19:01

This is the third in a series of bonus episodes of Wild for the holiday period, as inspired by my New York Times bestselling book ‘first, we make the beast beautiful: A New Story About Anxiety'.

I explore how I turn my anxiety into a superpower, something I practice daily.

In this episode I'm joined by Brooke McAlary from Slowyourhome.com and we explore ways I listen to my anxiety and use it to change direction to a better life. I use these techniques daily.

This episode reminded me of the interview I had with New York-based surfer, psychiatrist and neuroscientist Dr Jud Brewer, who uses curiosity to steer anxiety. It's an awesomely effective technique grounded in good science.

Here's the link to the interview: 

https://pod.link/1548626341/episode/183988cac79938b8b6d44c34c3f345f5 

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Jan 25, 2022
BONUS EPISODE 2: How to do a morning routine plus a guided meditation
17:09

Ahead of season 3 of Wild, here's another bonus episode for the holiday period, a time we tend to reserve for getting our lives in order for the year ahead. These bonus eps are inspired by my New York Times bestselling book ‘first, we make the beast beautiful: A New Story About Anxiety'.

In this episode I'm joined by Brooke McAlary from Slowyourhome.com and we explore some simple techniques to add to your morning routine for a less anxious life, along with a meditation to start your day.

For more helpful tips for a better day, revisit my interview Oliver Burkeman, possibly the world's most knowledgeable self help expert, from season 2 of Wild here:

https://pod.link/1548626341/episode/7447f7f0f918eac7f31be6324626cea1 

And with Seth Godin from season 1 of Wild here:

https://pod.link/1548626341/episode/cf69db6c45c403273b15599dde06b5ac 


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Jan 18, 2022
BONUS EPISODE 1: Tips and guided meditation for travel
15:08

Before we launch season 3 of Wild, here's a few bonus episodes for over the holiday period.

They're inspired by my New York Times bestselling book ‘first, we make the beast beautiful: A New Story About Anxiety' and the first one is a rundown of the best techniques and tricks to reduce anxiety while travelling, with a quick meditation, perfect to do on planes or on the bus or in a hotel room.

I'm joined by Brooke McAlary from slowyourhome.com

If you're new to meditation or think you're bad at meditation, you might want to listen to the episode from Season 1 of Wild with Tim Brown, my meditation teacher, in which we chat the benefits of struggling with meditation: https://pod.link/1548626341/episode/7d30b85f13ff7b5d784b1c329fb66878 



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Jan 11, 2022
Wild with Sarah Wilson, season 3 announcement
1:10

Wild is returning for season 3 February 2022, until then:
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Dec 28, 2021
EMILY ATKIN: The best case ever for climate rage!
1:07:54

Emily Atkin is America's foremost climate journalist and founder of the Heated newsletter, awarded Best Environmental Journalism of 2020.. I remember first coming across Emily on Twitter when she posted about fossil fuel media campaigns. Her Tweet targeted Twitter. The then Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren subsequently retweeted Emily's tweet, tagging Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey …who then changed Twitter's policy around fossil fuel advertising. It was all just a bit meta. And super powerful. Emily and I then connected two years ago when she asked to repost a blog essay I'd written about Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison's horrendous handling of the Summer bushfires which killed more than 3 billion animals and 37 people. It was a story of corruption, lies, ignorance and fossil fuel industry interests. The headline was Why we must rage at Prime Minister Sco Mo. Emily ran with a slightly different, but telling headline: Think American politics are bad? Wait 'til you hear about Australia.
The wild idea I discuss with Emily in this episode is that the climate crisis didn't just happen to us, it was done to us. And it was done to us by the fossil fuel industry. And so the most appropriate reaction is rage. The fossil fuel industry likes to distract us from this with campaigns that get us counting our carbon footprint and blaming ourselves. I have to say, until this chat with Emily I had been somewhat sucked in. This is a super timely chat, landing right on the two-year anniversary of the bushfires. I have reposted my original essay to my latest substack newsletter if you want to check it out subscribe to my Substack newsletter https://sarahwilson.substack.com/
And for more from Emily, check out her HEATED substack here: https://heated.world/ 

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Dec 21, 2021
DAN BUETTNER: The Blue Zones guy shows us the trick to adding 10 years to our lives
1:06:03

Dan Buettner is a National Geographic Fellow and New York Times-bestselling author. He holds three Guinness records for various ludicrous long bike treks across the planet and he's also a bone fide explorer who has discovered things about ancient civilizations and, most notably, about cultures where people live the longest, called the Blue Zones.

Dan and I met when I wrote a blog post about his Blue Zones back shortly after the last ice age (2009) and he chimed in on the comments. We became long-distance friends with many common interests (we're both in the Guinness Book, we've both traversed the globe on our bikes, we love red wine and we are tireless nomads) and he wound up inviting me one of of his Nat Geo explorations in Ikaria in 2012, a wild Greek island not far off the coast of Turkey that has become a second home (some of you might recall the story of my goat herder lover?), and is one of the Blue Zones.

It was almost 20 years ago that Dan travelled the world to reverse engineer longevity and discover 5 five Blue Zones - pockets of the world with the most centenarians. He then Identified 9 principles or secrets to living long and well. He wrote 5 books and in the lates,t called The Blue Zones Challenge, he outlines a 4-week plan to add 10 years to your life, and the wild idea he puts forward after all this – Friends, Don't try to change your behaviour with diets and exercise plans, change your surroundings. 

Which throws much of what we have been told about wellness on its head (I love it!).

More recently Dan has rolled out his Blue Zones blueprint to cities across the US. Municipalities employ him to “reverse-reverse engineer” the principles into the infrastructure of their cities, which has added years to life expectancy, and produced massive reductions in smoking and health care costs within years.

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Dec 14, 2021
ABBIE CHATFIELD: Millennial feminism, a mind blowing introduction.
1:07:27

Have you heard Abbie Chatfield let rip? You must. The 26-year-old is a reality TV star and vibrator saleswoman with an irreverent podcast (400,000 downloads a month) who will put her boobs, STI treatment plans and beliefs on the public line to make an often controversial and important point, invariably in support of female sexual rights and voice. Oh, and getting vaccinated.

As a Gen X feminist, I find it a thing to behold. And I've been wonderfully challenged by the Peak 2021 Sensation that she is for some time. So many questions, so much to humbly learn from her ability to tread complex nuance, and to brazenly cut to awkward chases. In many ways she takes what feminists of my generation (and older) fought for (and struggled to land) and puts it back on the agenda, front and centre and says...right, deal with it, now, all of you!

For some reality TV mash-up context: Abbie was a controversial star of the The Bachelor, The Bachelor In Paradise and I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here (which she won).  She's recently online feuded with a Married at First Sight star (calling them out for supporting rape humour) and a Home and Away star (on their anti-vax stance). She's just finished gig as host Love Island After Party, about to host Below Deck, done a project for Real Housewives where she sings a duet with comedian Joel Creasey…and has just announced she's dating a recent Bachelorette contestant. All in three years. She has sold 100,000 of her vibrators since April and is an ambassador to various brands, including Levis, which she models with her cellulite un-airbrushed.

We talk all of the above, and drill down to what drives her, what it's like to be a young person wading into "Troll Territory" daily, and ultimately how she feels a responsibility to young women struggling to find their voice in the #metoo era. 

On air, I challenge her to join the climate movement...we need Abbie Chatfield (feel free to prod her on her socials).
Her podcast It's A Lot has charted here in Australia and has 400,000 downloads a month.. A pretty good effort for a show made in her lounge room floor when she's “red wine drunk” with mates.  
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Dec 07, 2021
FEARNE COTTON: A chat with the British ‘It’ girl’ about the struggle for happiness
1:11:16

Today we travel to the UK to chat with one of my favourite representatives of humanity. Fearne Cotton is British radio and TV royalty. She began her career age 15 as host of The Disney Club after winning some local competition…and then spent the next 25 years broadcasting to the nation, everything from Top of the Pops, BBC radio1 and 2, the Golden Globes, BAFTAS and a bunch of Royal family things. 
She's published 10 chart-topping books, including kids mental health books, is on The Prince's Trust, has a 3.4 million following on Instagram and has a podcast, Happy Place, that's had more than 40 million downloads.

But I know Fearne only as a friend…and a social media pen pal type friend at that. We send VMs on WhatsApp late at night when we can't sleep and when we're troubled, and we talk about life and humans…not so much our lives…but Big Life.

Fearne has just put out a book about living honestly and so I thought it might be a good time to have one of the chats we have at lonely hours but in a visual volley out in the open with you lot.

Like me, Fearne is on that constant journey of managing her anxiety and the complexities of life. Which is why I trust her – she doesn't purport to have arrived. Oh, and FYI, in this chat we talk about EMDR, which is a type of therapy Fearne and I have both used. 
Read more: https://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/ 

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Nov 30, 2021
THE LADY IN RED: special episode
30:36

Ok this is a little bonus we've thrown into the series. Going forward I'll do some random episodes where I go hunt down someone I mention in my books or travels broadly, someone you've got super curious about, to see where things wound up for them. A Where Are They Now with my nomadic encounters as dictated by your intrigue! 

Many of you who have read This One Wild and Precious Life will recall The Lady in Red and some of you became pretty obsessed with her. ‘Tho, if you've not read my book, this story should have universal appeal.
Four years ago, while researching my book, I wound up in Ljubljana, the stunningly quaint capital of Slovenia and the world's only car-less capital city that's been voted greenest city in the EU several times over. I noticed this Lady In Red, a young woman sitting on her own who, for 45 minutes, just sat there with soft eyes in a chosen stillness.
She became a social media meme, a story that spread, an inspiration (I've put her image up in my feed again, as a reminder, and for those of you still wanting to get a visual).

Anyway, mid-pandemic lockdown I tracked down the Lady in Red (a fun journey in international connecting!) and got her update, asking her all the questions you've wanted to ask of her over the years….

I also flag that I'm taking requests to track down other people-of-intrigue via my NEW! Newsletter sarahwilson.substack.com ...this is where I now do the considered connecting I seek (please do subscribe!).

Find Lady in Red's image here (I'll also post video snippets of our recent chat)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE6IIlcDdXq/?utm_medium=copy_link   www.instagram.com/_sarahwilson_  

If you want to do the hike I did in Slovenia, check out sarahwilsonhikes.com

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Nov 23, 2021
DAVID WHYTE: The insta-calm of poetry and asking beautiful questions
1:04:56

David Whyte is the guy who got me into poetry; Steven Spielberg has said the same of the Irish poet and philosopher who leads hiking/poetry tours around the world and works with Sam Harris on his meditation app.David trained as a marine biologist and was a naturalist guide in the Galapagos, the Amazon and Himalayas, before becoming a professional poet because, as I heard him explain once, the language of science wasn't largest enough to convey existence.
Not long after I first read David's writing, I was at a cafe in a small town where my nomadic journey had landed me, when a friend walked over and invited me to join him and his mate... it was David. Since then we've met up a few times and I hiked with him and his family in the Lake District in the footsteps of Wordsworth (I detail the hike in This One Wild and Precious Life). David's work taught me stillness and patience, and got me to love and honour my aloneness…and introduced me to the wild idea I discuss with David in this episode: One of the most important disciplines of a human life is to ask beautiful questions…to ask them in unbeautiful moments, to ask them courageously and vulnerably.  Many of you have requested David joins my podcast and TBH, this is a very special episode. 

David has just wrapped up his Sunday talking sessions he referred to in the episode, and he will be announcing more dates soon.
Keep an eye on his website for details: https://davidwhyte.com/

You can get a copy of David's book we reference in this episode Consolations here:
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Nov 15, 2021
SAUL GRIFFITH: Biden’s renegade climate advisor from Wollongong drops the best ever climate bomb!
58:07

Saul Griffith is a mad inventor, an official “genius” (as per the prestigious Macarthur Fellowship, um, wait for it, for his prodigy of service in the world community) and he has a fix for the climate crisis! Electrify everything! US President Joe Biden vibed with it so much he made the Australian his climate advisor. 
I first came across Saul on one of my eternal searches for legit climate solutions that bring true excitement and hope to humans.  For years I've wanted to pick apart his wild idea summed up in his new book, written for President Joe Biden, Electrify: An Optimist's Playbook For Our Clean Energy Future. The gist is this: We can get to those 2030 targets required for our survival on this planet, using technology that already exists and if he had to choose a country in the world where it can happen the fastest and with the biggest economic win he'd say, Australia!
Saul is a lot of fun, swears a touch (be warned!), rides a bike everywhere, barely wears shoes and rather infamously (according to the interwebs) pointed out the carbon footprint of his underpants in his 2006 TED talk.
The Electrify the lot and fast mantra is one I buy into…to a point. We still must consume less…way less. Saul agrees. We are going to talk further...
Watch Saul's TED Talk here
https://www.ted.com/talks/saul_griffith_everyday_inventions?language=en 

Saul's new book Electrify: An Optimist's Playbook For Our Clean Energy Future is available in the US now, find it here and getting an Australian version soon.
Saul would love for you to source a copy from his favourite local book shop in Thirroul:
https://collinsbooksthirroul.com.au/p/electrify-an-optimists-playbook-for-our-clean-energy-future-87f36d28-7c27-4d98-b406-c6fe0576ab68?barcode=9780262046237

Explore the exciting world of Saul's inventions and ideas here
https://www.saulgriffith.com/ 

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https://pod.link/1548626341/episode/39f6573570b3837e65f7a5897d50592f 
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Nov 09, 2021
OLIVER BURKEMAN: 4000 weeks…it’s all we got in this lifetime, folks!
1:04:47

British writer Oliver Burkeman has investigated pretty much every productivity hack, mindfulness trick, list-making system and happiness boost we've ever been fed. He concludes, almost none work. Ha!I followed Oliver's column in The Guardian, which he wrote from his home in Brooklyn, New York, for about 10 years and he is definitely my favourite anti-self-help self-help writer!It's been a few years since his last book, The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking, and just as I found myself asking where Oliver Burkeman was at since quitting his popular column last year, I noticed he had a new book out that makes the startling point - we have a very short time on this planet, about Four Thousand Weeks (also the title of the book).  
This is the wild idea we discuss in this episode. Oliver asks life is short, so what are you going to do about it? 

Here are the references from our chat: 
The Pomodoro timer app here
https://zapier.com/blog/best-pomodoro-apps/ 

Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman here
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/1922147656/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=247&creative=1211&creativeASIN=1922147656&linkCode=as2&tag=sarahwilsonau-22&linkId=314bf030d7fd75b00831808ccfedfcfb 

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Nov 02, 2021
Ask Me Anything...about climate change
46:55

Ahead of COP26, the most important climate conference of our times, I called out to listeners to ask me whatever is on their mind, or in the hearts, about the climate crisis we are living through.
My new producer Cassie (lives in Melbourne, interests include rock trivia, the beach and tea) chose some of your questions and played them to me cold. Me (interests include climate trivia!), well, I did my best to answer them based on my slightly obsessed layperson's knowledge and opinions. What is COP? What can I do to make a difference? How do I vote climate? It was pretty rapid-fire, but I promised to include back-up links and references here in the show notes. There are a few…knock yourselves out!

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What is COP26?
https://drawdown.org/solutions
Renewable energy is cheaper than running existing coal
Jobs in renewable energy
Savings in avoiding climate change
Markets moving economic costs, Australia's climate inaction
Lack of climate action cost over 50 years
Grattan report on gridlock records
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/big-deal
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au
Companies pledges to halve emissions by 2030

 

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Oct 26, 2021
CLARE DUBOIS: How victim consciousness is destroying the planet (fire up, people!)
1:00:41

Six months ago my friend linked me to an interview with British entrepreneur and troublemaking activist Clare Dubois because he reckoned “she talks your language, Sarah”. I was moved to my viscera from the moment she launched her gloriously, inspired riff.
Clare talks a profoundly wild idea that resonates for me:  We are about to send ourselves, as a species, extinct. No one is going to come and save us, but trees might just. 

Clare is a business coach and founder of the Treesisters reforestation charity and she now lives in California. She's a global leader in arguing that our salvation can be led by businesses embedding trees into every financial transaction. She argues that trees can fix many things... and can teach us how to be boldly human again.

Learn more about Treesisters: https://treesisters.org/ 

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References from this episode:
The Overstory - Richard Powers here
The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate – Discoveries from a Secret World - Peter Wohlleben here
Martin Luther King Jnr speech about staying awake for the revolution here

This episode covers some pretty heavy stuff around sexual abuse. If that's something you're not comfortable listening to, I recommend skipping ahead to around the 10 minute mark.

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Oct 19, 2021
TIMOTHY MORTON: My favourite hobby is making sure people don’t feel like dying
56:41

British philosopher and environmentalist Timothy Morton is regarded as the most powerful figure in the contemporary art world. Tim - who goes by the pronoun “they" - has worked with Bjork, Jeff Bridges, Pharrell Williams, NASA and on Steve Coogan's series The Trip. They've also written more than 250 essays on ecology, Mary Shelley, gastronomy, Talking Heads, Heidegger and… concrete. They've also published 17 books; the latest is Hyposubjects: on becoming human. Me, I read Tim's work as a pleasurable brain sport and I draw on some of their ideas in my book ‘This One Wild and Precious Life', but Tim is also a deeply generous and compassionate human with an intimate understanding of why we struggle to solve the climate crisis and face our demise. We share our sadness around all this in this chat.
All of Tim's ideas are wild, so instead of focusing on one wild idea, I fired a bunch of questions, rapid fire.
My friends, be prepared for some genre-traversing calisthenics.
BTW I confess I struggled terribly with remembering Tim's correct pronoun in parts of the podcast. No disrespect is intended…change to language patterns can take time!

More info on Timothy Morton and purchase Hyposubjects: on becoming human: ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com
Read Pessimism of the Intellect Optimism of the Will: www.centreforoptimism.com/Pessimism-of-the-Intellect-Optimism-of-the-Will
The George Carlin skit referred to:www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
I write about Timothy in my book 'This One Wild and Precious Life' available:
www.sarahwilson.com/books

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Oct 12, 2021
TARA JUNE WINCH: Being Aussie is a mental health crisis
47:12

Tara June Winch is the Miles Franklin winning author of The Yield and a proud Wiradjuri woman.

I reached out to her after seeing her speak on an emotional, all-female panel at the Sydney Writer's Festival earlier this year where she  brought the room to tears with her confronting and - to my mind - true comments about Australian identity; "being Aussie is a mental health crisis”.

In this conversation we explore accessing mania as part of the creative process, not having to be broken to be creative, questioning identity and we break down the real meaning of being Australian.

Tara is currently living in France working on her next book, unable to return to Australia due to the pandemic. We have been emailing each other - pen pal-style since our chat!

Get a copy of Yield by Tara June Winch here
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Tara June Winch's book recommendations from this episode:
Too Much Lip, Melissa Lucashenko
Bila Yarrudhanggalangdhuray: River of Dreams  Anita Heiss
After Story, Larissa Behrendt
Ghost River, Tony Birch
How To Make A Basket, Jazz Money

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Oct 05, 2021
DR JUD BREWER: On curiosity as the fix for anxiety
58:29

Dr Jud Brewer is a New York-based surfer (yep!) and psychiatrist and neuroscientist specialising in habit change and he's helped thousands of people quit smoking and overcome binge eating. But his latest research treats anxiety like it's any other habit.

I reached out to him because I'd tried out his technique and it worked…substituting fretting for curiosity as a meta approach to life!

In this chat we unpack one of my own gnarly, ugly anxious thoughts (bit exposing!) using Jud's three-step solution (his alternative to willpowering our way through) and he gives practical advice for how we can all be more curious about our anxiety. 

Try it!

Studies and books and things we mention:

Jud's latest book is called Unwinding Anxiety: New Science Shows How to Break the Cycles of Worry and Fear to Heal Your Mind and it's out now.

Read more about the Harvard study which found we spend 47% of the day ruminating: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/11/wandering-mind-not-a-happy-mind/

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Sep 28, 2021
DR JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: The neuroscientist shows Sarah how to live blissfully in the right brain
1:07:15

I discovered Jill's story in her viral TED Talk from 2008 (it became the most watched TED talk ever!) in which the brain scientist describes watching the left side of her brain deteriorate over the course of four hours on the morning of her stroke and how she used her right brain to stay present and get help.

I was transfixed. Ever since I've wondered, what ever happened to Jill Bolte Taylor? Did she go back to normal? Is she still living in her right brain and able to experience the “oneness” that spiritualists and quantum physicists can only point to? If so, is she lonely?

In this chat we get into her how stroke stripped her of her relationships and emotions, understanding the power of each hemisphere of the brain and techniques we can all use to go right and be legitimately and neuroscientifically wilder!

Jill's latest book is Whole Brain Living: The Anatomy of Choice and the Four Characters That Drive Our Life.

Her first book was My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey.

Watch her TED Talk here.

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Sep 21, 2021
Ask Me Anything - Part 2
34:53

Producer Lindsey volleys me with VMs from listeners. I answer off the cuff.

What's good about having anxiety? Who do I vote for the climate in elections? How do you live with bipolar?

For part two of this special Ask Me Anything episode Sarah answers your questions about her own wild ways of living. In this episode Sarah shares her experience living with anxiety and bipolar disorder, voting for the climate and being excited about the future in spite of uncertainty and fear.

To hear more questions and answers from Sarah, listen to "Ask Me Anything - Part 1".

To hear more of Sarah's wild ideas, you can join her in her Wild & Precious Tour around Australia in February 2022. Book tickets now via www.livenation.com.au.

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Jun 10, 2021
Ask Me Anything - Part 1
35:44

Producer Lindsey volleys me with VMs from listeners. I answer off the cuff.

How do I raise my kids as conscious consumers? What do you think happens when we die?

For this special Ask Me Anything episode Sarah turned the tables on herself and asked for your questions about her own wild ideas and ways of living differently. In this episode Sarah opens up about her meditation practice, solo hiking and remaining confident in herself and her beliefs.

To hear more of Sarah's wild ideas, you can join her in her Wild & Precious Tour around Australia in February 2022. Book tickets now via www.livenation.com.au.

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Jun 07, 2021
TIM BROWN: Sarah’s meditation teacher joins the show
46:53

Tim  trained with the Vedic tradition and has taught meditation to elite athletes, jail inmates, billionaires and kids for more than 20 years. And me.

Tim has been part of my spiritual journey for 12 years and has guided me on my career, love life and various calamities. We meet for coffee and peanut butter toast most weeks…this episode we bring a recorder and discuss: trusting in the logic of the universe (the wild idea for the week) and how (and why) we should render ourselves choiceless (it's the ultimate freedom!). We also talk about the brilliance that is the movie Groundhog Day.

Tim makes regular appearance in Sarah's book First We Make The Beast Beautiful and helped her with her “path forward” in her latest book This One Wild & Precious Life. It's a pivotal moment about a third of the way in.

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Mar 09, 2021
JAMES HOLLIS: The Jungian take on 2021
51:28

James Hollis is one of the most respected Jungian psychoanalysts and teachers in the world and the author of 16 books about what matters most in life. 

He famously writes – and this is the wildly a-ha-ish idea this episode - that our souls are calling us to an appointment with life. Together we break down how this can be applied to our lives right now. TBH, it's the mantra that has guided my the most the past two years.

I catch up with James for the first time since we spoke for This One Wild & Precious Life to discuss resilience, finding and serving our destiny in these crazy times, and what happens when we ignore the message our soul is trying to send us. (Be warned!)

I dig all James' books, but my favourite is What Matters Most, should you want to give his writing a go.


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Mar 02, 2021
RUTGER BREGMAN: Author of Humankind on how to trust each other
45:57

Rutger Bregman reckons we're kinder than we think we are. 

He's a Dutch journalist and international best-selling author of Humankind: A Hopeful History, a book that lights a fire under the idea that humans are inherently selfish and doomed to self-destruct. 

Rutger and I chat about hope, calling out billionaires for not paying enough tax and what our society could look like if we simply - and wildly - chose to trust each other more.

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Feb 23, 2021
MARGARET KLEIN SALAMON: I know I’ll die from climate change
50:49

Margaret Klein Salamon is a climate psychologist and Founder & Board President of The Climate Mobilization, a US organisation that has seen almost 2,000 governments worldwide declare a climate emergency.

Margaret and I spoke a few times when I was researching my book This One Wild and Precious Life. I followed her up for this episode to get her brutal-and-yet-hopeful take on the wild-but-true reality – we are the Sixth Extinction and kids born today, by some estimations, may not live a full-term life. She's in early thirties and I know many of her generation who feel the same. She brings her training as a psychologist to map a path through the grief for the future we won't have, how to move past grief into action and why learning from World War ll makes her feel hopeful about the climate emergency. 

Warning: this is a confronting episode, but very, very real and important.

You can take part in Margaret's Let's Talk about the Climate Emergency project via www.ClimateAwakening.org

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Feb 16, 2021
SETH GODIN: “Climate activists, you need to do this!”
37:26

Seth Godin is a one of the world's most famous marketing gurus, a serial entrepreneur, the author of 19 bestselling books and believes in the ‘magical responsibility' – as he tells me - of being a creative who gives.

Seth and I chatted the first time 12 years ago and the advice he gave me shaped how I grew my business I Quit Sugar…and then sold it (and gave everything to charity). When I'm asked, “Of the hundreds of leaders and experts you've interviewed, who's the most legit?”, I say, Seth Godin.

For this ep, I hunt him down once more to see where he's at… and he shares a new wild idea: the climate emergency needs a marketing makeover. He outlines how it could go and it feels light and fun and just requires a slogganed Trucker cap.

Here is Sarah's article about first meeting Seth in 2010

Read Seth's blog about the problem with marketing global warming that he mentions in his chat with Sarah here

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Feb 09, 2021
DAVID POCOCK: World rugby legend quits; becomes climate activist. True story.
1:01:33

He was the captain of the Wallabies, the only Australian player to be included in World Rugby's team of the decade, but - wildly – retired at the height of his career to devoted his life to climate activist projects here in Australia and in Africa.

Dave and I became friends talking activism, Jungian psychology and the meaning of life over Instagram some time back. In this chat, he talks with me about grief, why Australian men aren't waking up, the sadness of facing the climate reality, and – yeah – how to make a wild decision. 

Dave promised to send a list of the books that have shaped his wildness.  He's a man of his word; here's his recommendations:

  • Living Between Worlds - James Hollis
  • Food Fix - Mark Hyman
  • Finding Resilience - Brian Walker
  • Everything is Spiritual - Rob Bell
  • The Will to Change - bell hooks
  • A Life on Our Planet - David Attenborough
  • Call of the Reed Warbler - Charles Massy

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Feb 02, 2021
SIA: In which Sarah makes the artist cry
33:03

Sia is one of the most gifted and wild creatives on the planet, best known for the hundreds of hit pop songs she's written for herself, Beyonce, Rihanna and Kanye West, and for being notoriously private, rarely doing interviews. 

But in this chat, Sia gets intimate with me around fostering, why she uses medication to support her art (and keep her alive), and her wild idea - how she, as an artist, “runs with an idea” without apology. Oh, and I make her cry.

You can find the details of Sia's film Music, her music and art here

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Jan 26, 2021
Wild with Sarah Wilson Trailer
2:32

Sarah Wilson speaks with the world's Big Minds about living a more beautiful and fired-up life. 

Through deep conversations with philosophers, celebrities who live at the edge and leading gurus she's met on her 10-year nomadic journey, Sarah will explore the issues keeping us all awake at night, including climate change, loneliness, disconnection and capitalism. She and her guest will uncover new ways to radically love and save our “one wild and precious life” on this planet and learn practical techniques for doing so. 

Because the time is now, right?

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Jan 13, 2021