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 Sep 25, 2019

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There is room at the table for all who are hungry.

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Change
01:07:30

Some changes are normal and happen every day, while others are higher stakes and affect every area of our lives.  Whether they took place in our childhood or occurred later in life, changes often make us feel scared or anxious because of the unknowns they bring with them.

In this episode, William, Hillary, and Vishnu have a conversation about change, how we experience it, and how we can navigate change in our lives.

This episode was sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists

Oct 10, 2019
Porn
02:07:44

This week we're talking about porn: what it is, how we feel about it, and what roles is plays in our culture. Joining us in the conversation are the following people:

Hillary McBride
Michael Gungor
William Matthews
Mike McHargue
Key Williams
Caroline Lee
Jenny McHargue
Kevin Garcia

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Oct 03, 2019
Pete Holmes Returns
01:48:39

Pete Holmes returns for a conversation with Michael Gungor and Science Mike to discuss his latest book, Comedy Sex God.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Sep 19, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Head Center
01:02:40

It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Annie Dimond is a teacher of the Enneagram Personality and a PhD Student of Practical Theology at The University of Aberdeen in Scotland. In this episode, Annie and Mike McHargue dive deeper into the Enneagram by exploring its 27 subtypes and how it can act as a map for healing and self-acceptance. 

 

To learn more about Annie Dimond, visit her website: enneagramforwholeness.com

 

For more about Ryan O'Neal and his music visit: sleepingatlast.com

 

To learn more about Enneagram Subtypes: 

The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness by Beatrice Chestnut



BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF CENTERS OF INTELLIGENCE AND PERCEPTION (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

8,9, 1 - Body or Gut Type

Body-based types lead with the body for movement, sensate awareness and gut-level knowing. Their focus is on personal security, control, social belonging and taking right action. Also known as the Instinctual Center.

 

5,6,7 - Head Type

Thinking-based, head types lead with ideas, gathering information, figuring things out and rational decision-making before acting. Their focus is on creating certainty and safety, or finding multiple options. Also known as the Intellectual Center.



2,3,4 - Heart Type

Feeling-based types emphasize the heart for positive and negative feelings, empathy and concern for others, romance and devotion. Their focus is on success and relationship, performing up to expectations of the job or other people. Also known as the Emotional Center.

 

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE SUBTYPES -  (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

Our evolution as human beings has required three basic survival strategies, known as the basic instincts:

  • Self-preservation – responding to perceived threats and needs
  • Social – creating social structures within communities
  • One-to-one – primary relationships or coupling

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer -  the nurturers excel in fostering warm relationships with all kinds of people, and spends a lot of attention on supporting and nurturing others. This can sometimes lead those within this subtype to feel entitled when it’s time for them to get their own needs met. They can at times have a prideful attitude about this, and a kind of false modesty, where the insistance on helping other firsts creates a kind of value.  

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - this subtype can value social approval and visible accomplishments as a way to get more self esteem. They can empathize and tune in to the needs of others to create a sense of importance, or even an indispensible role. For them, being allied with the right person in the right way, is more important than being at the centre of it all. 

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - this subtype uses warmth and attunement to others to make connections or deepn relationships and win the approval of a specific someone, even if just for a time. They can appear seductive in their body language and verbal tone, although not necessarily sexually so. At times this can appear as aggressive with demands for personal attention and affirmation. 

 

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, a person’s ability to work hard, and perform at a high level an create a good image can be used to create material success. With all their commitment and energy, they can accomplish all sorts of things, including creating financial security, getting all the nice things, etc. but the risk is losing touch with who they really are in the process of it all, and becoming too identifiied with work. 

Social: Prestige – The Politician - for this subtype the drive for achievement is geared towards winning social approval, and knowing the right people, getting the right kind of power in the right system or institution. This could be a kind of genuine social leadership, or more about self-aggrandizement through image curation.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create the right image is about focusing on performing the gendered ideal. For example, they may try to create personal power by being attractive as a woman or man. But underneath it all their might be some confusion about their identity. People with this type tend to be more of a performer,  whether on stage, or in their day to day lives. 

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - people in this subtype tend to be willing to jump into new situations, get up and go, taks risks, or to take off when their preservation instinct gets activated, or when authenticity or an authentic life seems to be anywhere but here. To other poeple, they might seem reckless, careless, or without any caution, but this works well with a creative, artistic, or expressive lifestyle. For this type, they might have a tension between wanting to aquire material goods, and feeling disconnected from it all. 

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - for people with this type, they may feel deficient based on what is happening in social situations, and can feel envious of others poeple with more social status, or who seem to belong. They likely want to establish an acceptable social role , possibly the one who is the truth teller about emotional content, and feels the need to resolve tension between the dsire to live authentically, and what is expected of them socially. 

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - this subtype uses competition with others to overcome a sense of deficiency internally,  and create the drive to complete a personal agenda. They may see the power and strenghts of others as a challenge, and judge their own value, either the increase or decrease of their sense of their own worth, based on  comparison to others. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and priorities of their friends and different social networks, this subtype has the ability to be both a leader and a selfless supporter for the common good but can be numb to their personal priorities when in a comfortable social role 

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

 

TYPE 1 - THE PERFECTIONIST 

Self-preservation: Anxiety – The Pioneer - This subtype can be anxious or self controlled, but there is a focus on concerns about survival and security that get channeled into success. The focus here tends to be on being a good person, doing the right thing. This can be done by having control over nature, and imposing order. With this subtype, family life and the home, food prep, all the day to day things can take precedence over other needs. For these subtypes, too much self sacrifice can lead to tension in the body and resentment.

Social: Inadaptability – The Social Reformer - Comfortable with a secure social role and a clear set of rules, this subtype is usually quite friendly and gregarious on one’s own turf. But an emphasis on doing things the right way can make it hard to adapt to new situations, and also can generate resentment or criticism toward others who may be acting “incorrectly.”

One-to-One: Jealousy/Zealousness – The Evangelist - With clear rules and standards for correct behavior, this subtype keeps a highly charged instinctual center under strict self-control, leading at times to over zealousness in everything. Keeping a partner’s attention is vital to avoid self-recrimination. Jealousy toward a partner is common, and also may be experienced toward others who seem to have more room for self-expression.

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer - Excelling in creating warm, personable relationships with many kinds of people, this subtype spends much attention on supporting and nurturing others, which can lead to a feeling of entitlement when it comes to getting one’s own needs met. This can contribute to a prideful attitude, or an insistence on going last that supports another kind of specialness, as in false modesty.

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - Gaining self-esteem through both social approval and visible accomplishments, this subtype empathizes and attunes to other’s needs to create an important, even indispensable role within an organization or cause. Being allied with the right people is usually more important than taking center stage.

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - This subtype uses all of the Two’s capacity for interpersonal attunement to make a connection and win the approval of selected people in a one-to-one relationship, even a brief one. The use of body language and feeling tones can be experienced as seductive, although not necessarily in a sexual sense. The same capacity also can show up in a more aggressive style that demands personal attention and recognition.

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, the Three’s ability to work hard, perform well and maintain the right image are placed in the service of material success. With considerable drive and energy, this subtype can accomplish goals of financial security, a nice home, etc. The danger is losing contact with one’s real self in this effort, and becoming overly identified with one’s role at work.

Social: Prestige – The Politician - The drive for success is directed toward winning social approval, knowing the right people, and achieving power in social institutions, whether in government, business or community groups. There can be genuine social leadership or simply self-aggrandizement through propaganda and image-making.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create a successful image is focused on gender identity and issues. Personal power or charisma rests on being attractive as a woman or man. Yet underneath, there may be confusion about one’s real sexuality. This subtype tends to stay in the performer role, whether on stage or in personal relationships.

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - This subtype is willing to jump into new situations, to pack up and move, to get going or take risks when the preservation instinct is triggered, or when an authentic life seems elsewhere. To others, these actions may seem reckless, like throwing caution to the wind, but it can work well with an unorthodox, creative or artistic style. The tension here is between wanting to acquire material security and feeling detached from it all.

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - Feelings of deficiency can be provoked by social situations, with envy directed toward other people’s status or appearance of belonging. This subtype seeks to establish an acceptable social role, possibly as the emotional truth-teller for the group, and often feels a need to resolve the tension between the quest for individual authenticity and social expectations.

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - Competition with others helps to overcome feelings of inner deficiency and create motivation for a personal agenda. This subtype takes the power or strength of others as a personal challenge, and one’s own value tends to rise and fall in comparison.

 

TYPE 5 - THE OBSERVER

Self-preservation: Home – The Castle Defender - Home is the place wehre this subtype can retreat from the world and experience safety. This subtype is concerned about having enough supplies, which at times can lead to hoarding supplies. Or the opposite may be a true, with a lack in allegiance to any geographical location, living a nomadic life and traveling from place to place. .

Social: Totem/Symbols – The Professor - This subtype has a passion for knowledge and mastery of the symbols and language of the group or society . But, this subtype can become trapped iwithin the framework of veing an observer,  with an over-emphasis on analysis and interpretation, which can get in the way of joining in or interacting with others.

One-to-One: Confidentiality – The Secret Agent - This subtype will share confidences from the inner, private world in one-to-one relationships. This subtype has a kind of secretive quality and they can experience a tension between the need to connect with others and the need to guard their sense of autonomy.  

 

TYPE 6 - THE LOYAL SKEPTIC 

Self-preservation: Warmth – The Family Loyalist - this subtype navigates fear by making connectiosn and alliants with others through warmth , they do not want to be abandoned or rejected. But becuase of that,  when warmth is lacking or there isa threat to security early on in life it can create a sense of fear about takign risks and can cause a person to want to stay within secure boundaries. 

Social: Duty – The Social Guardian - For this subtype, a priority is about being clear about one’s role in a group or society. To avoid rejection and overcome fear, this subtype likely wnat sto know the rules and have clarity in agreements with those they are in connection with, at work, or home. Being clear about one’s role in the group or society is an overriding concern. But with that here could also be some uncertainty about belonging. To do one’s duty can be both a blessing and a burden.  

One-to-One: Strength or Beauty – The Warrior - This subtype actually has two styles: the first style can tend to overcome or avoid fear through force of will, and feats of strength , mastery, braverty, or  the ferocity of an ideological position. In the second style, insecurity and fear can be negotiated through channelling idealism and perceptivity into creating beauty. It’s important to note though that this is about creating stability and control.  

 

TYPE 7 - THE EPICURE

Self-preservation: Family – The Gourmand - This subtype likes to enjoy an abundant lifestyle within family and a circle of friends. The emphasis is on sharing good ideas and conversation, preparing elaborate meals or dining out, and planning fun projects. This subtype can have problems with over-talking, over-eating, and over-stimulation.

Social: Limitation/Sacrifice – The Utopian Visionary - There is a tension here for theis subtype- they seem to need those around them to express their social idealism and intoxication with life. Giving themselves for the good of the group can feel like self sacrifice, and joining with those in the community can limit personal growth and planning for the future. 

 

One-to-One: Suggestibility/Fascination – The Adventurer  -  This subtype can be influenced easily by the attractiveness of new ideas, people, adventures, that can get them caught up in the state of fascination. The one-to-one Seven can also influence others, and can use their charm and warmth to lead people into new paradigms, habits, relationships, ways of thinking, or activities. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and agenda of their friends and different social groups, this subtype can show great leadership and selfless contribution for the common good (on the high side) but tends to fall asleep to personal priorities in a comfortable social role or through indiscriminate activities (on the low side).

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

Sep 12, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Heart Center
01:07:07

It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Annie Dimond is a teacher of the Enneagram Personality and a PhD Student of Practical Theology at The University of Aberdeen in Scotland. In this episode, Annie and Mike McHargue dive deeper into the Enneagram by exploring its 27 subtypes and how it can act as a map for healing and self-acceptance. 

 

To learn more about Annie Dimond, visit her website: enneagramforwholeness.com

 

For more about Ryan O'Neal and his music visit: sleepingatlast.com

 

To learn more about Enneagram Subtypes: 

The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness by Beatrice Chestnut



BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF CENTERS OF INTELLIGENCE AND PERCEPTION (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

8,9, 1 - Body or Gut Type

Body-based types lead with the body for movement, sensate awareness and gut-level knowing. Their focus is on personal security, control, social belonging and taking right action. Also known as the Instinctual Center.

 

5,6,7 - Head Type

Thinking-based, head types lead with ideas, gathering information, figuring things out and rational decision-making before acting. Their focus is on creating certainty and safety, or finding multiple options. Also known as the Intellectual Center.



2,3,4 - Heart Type

Feeling-based types emphasize the heart for positive and negative feelings, empathy and concern for others, romance and devotion. Their focus is on success and relationship, performing up to expectations of the job or other people. Also known as the Emotional Center.

 

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE SUBTYPES -  (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

Our evolution as human beings has required three basic survival strategies, known as the basic instincts:

  • Self-preservation – responding to perceived threats and needs
  • Social – creating social structures within communities
  • One-to-one – primary relationships or coupling

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer -  the nurturers excel in fostering warm relationships with all kinds of people, and spends a lot of attention on supporting and nurturing others. This can sometimes lead those within this subtype to feel entitled when it’s time for them to get their own needs met. They can at times have a prideful attitude about this, and a kind of false modesty, where the insistance on helping other firsts creates a kind of value.  

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - this subtype can value social approval and visible accomplishments as a way to get more self esteem. They can empathize and tune in to the needs of others to create a sense of importance, or even an indispensible role. For them, being allied with the right person in the right way, is more important than being at the centre of it all. 

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - this subtype uses warmth and attunement to others to make connections or deepn relationships and win the approval of a specific someone, even if just for a time. They can appear seductive in their body language and verbal tone, although not necessarily sexually so. At times this can appear as aggressive with demands for personal attention and affirmation. 

 

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, a person’s ability to work hard, and perform at a high level an create a good image can be used to create material success. With all their commitment and energy, they can accomplish all sorts of things, including creating financial security, getting all the nice things, etc. but the risk is losing touch with who they really are in the process of it all, and becoming too identifiied with work. 

Social: Prestige – The Politician - for this subtype the drive for achievement is geared towards winning social approval, and knowing the right people, getting the right kind of power in the right system or institution. This could be a kind of genuine social leadership, or more about self-aggrandizement through image curation.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create the right image is about focusing on performing the gendered ideal. For example, they may try to create personal power by being attractive as a woman or man. But underneath it all their might be some confusion about their identity. People with this type tend to be more of a performer,  whether on stage, or in their day to day lives. 

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - people in this subtype tend to be willing to jump into new situations, get up and go, taks risks, or to take off when their preservation instinct gets activated, or when authenticity or an authentic life seems to be anywhere but here. To other poeple, they might seem reckless, careless, or without any caution, but this works well with a creative, artistic, or expressive lifestyle. For this type, they might have a tension between wanting to aquire material goods, and feeling disconnected from it all. 

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - for people with this type, they may feel deficient based on what is happening in social situations, and can feel envious of others poeple with more social status, or who seem to belong. They likely want to establish an acceptable social role , possibly the one who is the truth teller about emotional content, and feels the need to resolve tension between the dsire to live authentically, and what is expected of them socially. 

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - this subtype uses competition with others to overcome a sense of deficiency internally,  and create the drive to complete a personal agenda. They may see the power and strenghts of others as a challenge, and judge their own value, either the increase or decrease of their sense of their own worth, based on  comparison to others. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and priorities of their friends and different social networks, this subtype has the ability to be both a leader and a selfless supporter for the common good but can be numb to their personal priorities when in a comfortable social role 

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

 

TYPE 1 - THE PERFECTIONIST 

Self-preservation: Anxiety – The Pioneer - This subtype can be anxious or self controlled, but there is a focus on concerns about survival and security that get channeled into success. The focus here tends to be on being a good person, doing the right thing. This can be done by having control over nature, and imposing order. With this subtype, family life and the home, food prep, all the day to day things can take precedence over other needs. For these subtypes, too much self sacrifice can lead to tension in the body and resentment.

Social: Inadaptability – The Social Reformer - Comfortable with a secure social role and a clear set of rules, this subtype is usually quite friendly and gregarious on one’s own turf. But an emphasis on doing things the right way can make it hard to adapt to new situations, and also can generate resentment or criticism toward others who may be acting “incorrectly.”

One-to-One: Jealousy/Zealousness – The Evangelist - With clear rules and standards for correct behavior, this subtype keeps a highly charged instinctual center under strict self-control, leading at times to over zealousness in everything. Keeping a partner’s attention is vital to avoid self-recrimination. Jealousy toward a partner is common, and also may be experienced toward others who seem to have more room for self-expression.

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer - Excelling in creating warm, personable relationships with many kinds of people, this subtype spends much attention on supporting and nurturing others, which can lead to a feeling of entitlement when it comes to getting one’s own needs met. This can contribute to a prideful attitude, or an insistence on going last that supports another kind of specialness, as in false modesty.

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - Gaining self-esteem through both social approval and visible accomplishments, this subtype empathizes and attunes to other’s needs to create an important, even indispensable role within an organization or cause. Being allied with the right people is usually more important than taking center stage.

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - This subtype uses all of the Two’s capacity for interpersonal attunement to make a connection and win the approval of selected people in a one-to-one relationship, even a brief one. The use of body language and feeling tones can be experienced as seductive, although not necessarily in a sexual sense. The same capacity also can show up in a more aggressive style that demands personal attention and recognition.

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, the Three’s ability to work hard, perform well and maintain the right image are placed in the service of material success. With considerable drive and energy, this subtype can accomplish goals of financial security, a nice home, etc. The danger is losing contact with one’s real self in this effort, and becoming overly identified with one’s role at work.

Social: Prestige – The Politician - The drive for success is directed toward winning social approval, knowing the right people, and achieving power in social institutions, whether in government, business or community groups. There can be genuine social leadership or simply self-aggrandizement through propaganda and image-making.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create a successful image is focused on gender identity and issues. Personal power or charisma rests on being attractive as a woman or man. Yet underneath, there may be confusion about one’s real sexuality. This subtype tends to stay in the performer role, whether on stage or in personal relationships.

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - This subtype is willing to jump into new situations, to pack up and move, to get going or take risks when the preservation instinct is triggered, or when an authentic life seems elsewhere. To others, these actions may seem reckless, like throwing caution to the wind, but it can work well with an unorthodox, creative or artistic style. The tension here is between wanting to acquire material security and feeling detached from it all.

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - Feelings of deficiency can be provoked by social situations, with envy directed toward other people’s status or appearance of belonging. This subtype seeks to establish an acceptable social role, possibly as the emotional truth-teller for the group, and often feels a need to resolve the tension between the quest for individual authenticity and social expectations.

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - Competition with others helps to overcome feelings of inner deficiency and create motivation for a personal agenda. This subtype takes the power or strength of others as a personal challenge, and one’s own value tends to rise and fall in comparison.

 

TYPE 5 - THE OBSERVER

Self-preservation: Home – The Castle Defender - Home is the place wehre this subtype can retreat from the world and experience safety. This subtype is concerned about having enough supplies, which at times can lead to hoarding supplies. Or the opposite may be a true, with a lack in allegiance to any geographical location, living a nomadic life and traveling from place to place. .

Social: Totem/Symbols – The Professor - This subtype has a passion for knowledge and mastery of the symbols and language of the group or society . But, this subtype can become trapped iwithin the framework of veing an observer,  with an over-emphasis on analysis and interpretation, which can get in the way of joining in or interacting with others.

One-to-One: Confidentiality – The Secret Agent - This subtype will share confidences from the inner, private world in one-to-one relationships. This subtype has a kind of secretive quality and they can experience a tension between the need to connect with others and the need to guard their sense of autonomy.  

 

TYPE 6 - THE LOYAL SKEPTIC 

Self-preservation: Warmth – The Family Loyalist - this subtype navigates fear by making connectiosn and alliants with others through warmth , they do not want to be abandoned or rejected. But becuase of that,  when warmth is lacking or there isa threat to security early on in life it can create a sense of fear about takign risks and can cause a person to want to stay within secure boundaries. 

Social: Duty – The Social Guardian - For this subtype, a priority is about being clear about one’s role in a group or society. To avoid rejection and overcome fear, this subtype likely wnat sto know the rules and have clarity in agreements with those they are in connection with, at work, or home. Being clear about one’s role in the group or society is an overriding concern. But with that here could also be some uncertainty about belonging. To do one’s duty can be both a blessing and a burden.  

One-to-One: Strength or Beauty – The Warrior - This subtype actually has two styles: the first style can tend to overcome or avoid fear through force of will, and feats of strength , mastery, braverty, or  the ferocity of an ideological position. In the second style, insecurity and fear can be negotiated through channelling idealism and perceptivity into creating beauty. It’s important to note though that this is about creating stability and control.  

 

TYPE 7 - THE EPICURE

Self-preservation: Family – The Gourmand - This subtype likes to enjoy an abundant lifestyle within family and a circle of friends. The emphasis is on sharing good ideas and conversation, preparing elaborate meals or dining out, and planning fun projects. This subtype can have problems with over-talking, over-eating, and over-stimulation.

Social: Limitation/Sacrifice – The Utopian Visionary - There is a tension here for theis subtype- they seem to need those around them to express their social idealism and intoxication with life. Giving themselves for the good of the group can feel like self sacrifice, and joining with those in the community can limit personal growth and planning for the future. 

 

One-to-One: Suggestibility/Fascination – The Adventurer  -  This subtype can be influenced easily by the attractiveness of new ideas, people, adventures, that can get them caught up in the state of fascination. The one-to-one Seven can also influence others, and can use their charm and warmth to lead people into new paradigms, habits, relationships, ways of thinking, or activities. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and agenda of their friends and different social groups, this subtype can show great leadership and selfless contribution for the common good (on the high side) but tends to fall asleep to personal priorities in a comfortable social role or through indiscriminate activities (on the low side).

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

Sep 12, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Gut Center
01:33:57

It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

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Annie Dimond is a teacher of the Enneagram Personality and a PhD Student of Practical Theology at The University of Aberdeen in Scotland. In this episode, Annie and Mike McHargue dive deeper into the Enneagram by exploring its 27 subtypes and how it can act as a map for healing and self-acceptance. 

 

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To learn more about Enneagram Subtypes: 

The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness by Beatrice Chestnut



BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF CENTERS OF INTELLIGENCE AND PERCEPTION (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

8,9, 1 - Body or Gut Type

Body-based types lead with the body for movement, sensate awareness and gut-level knowing. Their focus is on personal security, control, social belonging and taking right action. Also known as the Instinctual Center.

 

5,6,7 - Head Type

Thinking-based, head types lead with ideas, gathering information, figuring things out and rational decision-making before acting. Their focus is on creating certainty and safety, or finding multiple options. Also known as the Intellectual Center.



2,3,4 - Heart Type

Feeling-based types emphasize the heart for positive and negative feelings, empathy and concern for others, romance and devotion. Their focus is on success and relationship, performing up to expectations of the job or other people. Also known as the Emotional Center.

 

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE SUBTYPES -  (enneagramworldwide.com)

 

Our evolution as human beings has required three basic survival strategies, known as the basic instincts:

  • Self-preservation – responding to perceived threats and needs
  • Social – creating social structures within communities
  • One-to-one – primary relationships or coupling

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer -  the nurturers excel in fostering warm relationships with all kinds of people, and spends a lot of attention on supporting and nurturing others. This can sometimes lead those within this subtype to feel entitled when it’s time for them to get their own needs met. They can at times have a prideful attitude about this, and a kind of false modesty, where the insistance on helping other firsts creates a kind of value.  

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - this subtype can value social approval and visible accomplishments as a way to get more self esteem. They can empathize and tune in to the needs of others to create a sense of importance, or even an indispensible role. For them, being allied with the right person in the right way, is more important than being at the centre of it all. 

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - this subtype uses warmth and attunement to others to make connections or deepn relationships and win the approval of a specific someone, even if just for a time. They can appear seductive in their body language and verbal tone, although not necessarily sexually so. At times this can appear as aggressive with demands for personal attention and affirmation. 

 

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, a person’s ability to work hard, and perform at a high level an create a good image can be used to create material success. With all their commitment and energy, they can accomplish all sorts of things, including creating financial security, getting all the nice things, etc. but the risk is losing touch with who they really are in the process of it all, and becoming too identifiied with work. 

Social: Prestige – The Politician - for this subtype the drive for achievement is geared towards winning social approval, and knowing the right people, getting the right kind of power in the right system or institution. This could be a kind of genuine social leadership, or more about self-aggrandizement through image curation.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create the right image is about focusing on performing the gendered ideal. For example, they may try to create personal power by being attractive as a woman or man. But underneath it all their might be some confusion about their identity. People with this type tend to be more of a performer,  whether on stage, or in their day to day lives. 

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - people in this subtype tend to be willing to jump into new situations, get up and go, taks risks, or to take off when their preservation instinct gets activated, or when authenticity or an authentic life seems to be anywhere but here. To other poeple, they might seem reckless, careless, or without any caution, but this works well with a creative, artistic, or expressive lifestyle. For this type, they might have a tension between wanting to aquire material goods, and feeling disconnected from it all. 

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - for people with this type, they may feel deficient based on what is happening in social situations, and can feel envious of others poeple with more social status, or who seem to belong. They likely want to establish an acceptable social role , possibly the one who is the truth teller about emotional content, and feels the need to resolve tension between the dsire to live authentically, and what is expected of them socially. 

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - this subtype uses competition with others to overcome a sense of deficiency internally,  and create the drive to complete a personal agenda. They may see the power and strenghts of others as a challenge, and judge their own value, either the increase or decrease of their sense of their own worth, based on  comparison to others. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and priorities of their friends and different social networks, this subtype has the ability to be both a leader and a selfless supporter for the common good but can be numb to their personal priorities when in a comfortable social role 

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

 

TYPE 1 - THE PERFECTIONIST 

Self-preservation: Anxiety – The Pioneer - This subtype can be anxious or self controlled, but there is a focus on concerns about survival and security that get channeled into success. The focus here tends to be on being a good person, doing the right thing. This can be done by having control over nature, and imposing order. With this subtype, family life and the home, food prep, all the day to day things can take precedence over other needs. For these subtypes, too much self sacrifice can lead to tension in the body and resentment.

Social: Inadaptability – The Social Reformer - Comfortable with a secure social role and a clear set of rules, this subtype is usually quite friendly and gregarious on one’s own turf. But an emphasis on doing things the right way can make it hard to adapt to new situations, and also can generate resentment or criticism toward others who may be acting “incorrectly.”

One-to-One: Jealousy/Zealousness – The Evangelist - With clear rules and standards for correct behavior, this subtype keeps a highly charged instinctual center under strict self-control, leading at times to over zealousness in everything. Keeping a partner’s attention is vital to avoid self-recrimination. Jealousy toward a partner is common, and also may be experienced toward others who seem to have more room for self-expression.

TYPE 2 - THE GIVER

Self-preservation: Privilege – The Nurturer - Excelling in creating warm, personable relationships with many kinds of people, this subtype spends much attention on supporting and nurturing others, which can lead to a feeling of entitlement when it comes to getting one’s own needs met. This can contribute to a prideful attitude, or an insistence on going last that supports another kind of specialness, as in false modesty.

Social: Ambition – The Ambassador - Gaining self-esteem through both social approval and visible accomplishments, this subtype empathizes and attunes to other’s needs to create an important, even indispensable role within an organization or cause. Being allied with the right people is usually more important than taking center stage.

One-to-One: Seduction/Aggression – The Lover - This subtype uses all of the Two’s capacity for interpersonal attunement to make a connection and win the approval of selected people in a one-to-one relationship, even a brief one. The use of body language and feeling tones can be experienced as seductive, although not necessarily in a sexual sense. The same capacity also can show up in a more aggressive style that demands personal attention and recognition.

TYPE 3 - THE PERFORMER

Self-preservation: Security – The Company Man/Woman - With this subtype, the Three’s ability to work hard, perform well and maintain the right image are placed in the service of material success. With considerable drive and energy, this subtype can accomplish goals of financial security, a nice home, etc. The danger is losing contact with one’s real self in this effort, and becoming overly identified with one’s role at work.

Social: Prestige – The Politician - The drive for success is directed toward winning social approval, knowing the right people, and achieving power in social institutions, whether in government, business or community groups. There can be genuine social leadership or simply self-aggrandizement through propaganda and image-making.

One-to-One: Femininity/Masculinity – The Movie Star - The ability to create a successful image is focused on gender identity and issues. Personal power or charisma rests on being attractive as a woman or man. Yet underneath, there may be confusion about one’s real sexuality. This subtype tends to stay in the performer role, whether on stage or in personal relationships.

 

TYPE 4 - THE ROMANTIC

Self-preservation: Dauntlessness – The Creative Individualist - This subtype is willing to jump into new situations, to pack up and move, to get going or take risks when the preservation instinct is triggered, or when an authentic life seems elsewhere. To others, these actions may seem reckless, like throwing caution to the wind, but it can work well with an unorthodox, creative or artistic style. The tension here is between wanting to acquire material security and feeling detached from it all.

Social: Shame/Honor – The Critical Commentator - Feelings of deficiency can be provoked by social situations, with envy directed toward other people’s status or appearance of belonging. This subtype seeks to establish an acceptable social role, possibly as the emotional truth-teller for the group, and often feels a need to resolve the tension between the quest for individual authenticity and social expectations.

One-to-One: Competitiveness – The Dramatic Person - Competition with others helps to overcome feelings of inner deficiency and create motivation for a personal agenda. This subtype takes the power or strength of others as a personal challenge, and one’s own value tends to rise and fall in comparison.

 

TYPE 5 - THE OBSERVER

Self-preservation: Home – The Castle Defender - Home is the place wehre this subtype can retreat from the world and experience safety. This subtype is concerned about having enough supplies, which at times can lead to hoarding supplies. Or the opposite may be a true, with a lack in allegiance to any geographical location, living a nomadic life and traveling from place to place. .

Social: Totem/Symbols – The Professor - This subtype has a passion for knowledge and mastery of the symbols and language of the group or society . But, this subtype can become trapped iwithin the framework of veing an observer,  with an over-emphasis on analysis and interpretation, which can get in the way of joining in or interacting with others.

One-to-One: Confidentiality – The Secret Agent - This subtype will share confidences from the inner, private world in one-to-one relationships. This subtype has a kind of secretive quality and they can experience a tension between the need to connect with others and the need to guard their sense of autonomy.  

 

TYPE 6 - THE LOYAL SKEPTIC 

Self-preservation: Warmth – The Family Loyalist - this subtype navigates fear by making connectiosn and alliants with others through warmth , they do not want to be abandoned or rejected. But becuase of that,  when warmth is lacking or there isa threat to security early on in life it can create a sense of fear about takign risks and can cause a person to want to stay within secure boundaries. 

Social: Duty – The Social Guardian - For this subtype, a priority is about being clear about one’s role in a group or society. To avoid rejection and overcome fear, this subtype likely wnat sto know the rules and have clarity in agreements with those they are in connection with, at work, or home. Being clear about one’s role in the group or society is an overriding concern. But with that here could also be some uncertainty about belonging. To do one’s duty can be both a blessing and a burden.  

One-to-One: Strength or Beauty – The Warrior - This subtype actually has two styles: the first style can tend to overcome or avoid fear through force of will, and feats of strength , mastery, braverty, or  the ferocity of an ideological position. In the second style, insecurity and fear can be negotiated through channelling idealism and perceptivity into creating beauty. It’s important to note though that this is about creating stability and control.  

 

TYPE 7 - THE EPICURE

Self-preservation: Family – The Gourmand - This subtype likes to enjoy an abundant lifestyle within family and a circle of friends. The emphasis is on sharing good ideas and conversation, preparing elaborate meals or dining out, and planning fun projects. This subtype can have problems with over-talking, over-eating, and over-stimulation.

Social: Limitation/Sacrifice – The Utopian Visionary - There is a tension here for theis subtype- they seem to need those around them to express their social idealism and intoxication with life. Giving themselves for the good of the group can feel like self sacrifice, and joining with those in the community can limit personal growth and planning for the future. 

 

One-to-One: Suggestibility/Fascination – The Adventurer  -  This subtype can be influenced easily by the attractiveness of new ideas, people, adventures, that can get them caught up in the state of fascination. The one-to-one Seven can also influence others, and can use their charm and warmth to lead people into new paradigms, habits, relationships, ways of thinking, or activities. 

 

TYPE 8 - THE PROTECTOR 

Self-preservation: Satisfactory Survival – The Survivalist - In this subtype, the Eight’s aggressiveness and excess are channeled into physical survival and material security. In a hostile world, the self-preservation Eight will either win or go down fighting. Fiercely protective of friends and family, this subtype can establish more territory and stockpile more supplies than anyone, but in a friendly world, may miss the boat altogether.

Social: Friendship/Social Causes – The Group Leader/Gang Leader - A sense of powerlessness or injustice is overcome by being part of an aligned group, usually in a leadership role. This subtype’s anger and aggression are mediated by the group’s needs, and harnessed for a common agenda. Loyalty to friends and social causes take precedence over personal feelings and needs.

One-to-One: Possession/Surrender – The Commander - A one-to-one Eight uses forcefulness and self-assertion to possess (or control) a partner or significant others. At times unable to adapt or let go, a strong enough yearning to be met fully can help this subtype let go of control and turn it over to a partner.

 

TYPE 9 - THE MEDIATOR

Self-preservation: Appetite – The Collector - This subtype excels at creating the practical infrastructure and the daily rhythms that support instinctual life. But there is a tendency to fall asleep to personal needs or narcotize oneself with food and other kinds of material consumption. (They are often collectors.) A life of material abundance and comfort can preclude efforts toward personal or spiritual growth.

Social: Participation – The Community Benefactor - Blending well with the style and agenda of their friends and different social groups, this subtype can show great leadership and selfless contribution for the common good (on the high side) but tends to fall asleep to personal priorities in a comfortable social role or through indiscriminate activities (on the low side).

One-to-One: Union – The Seeker - This subtype has a longing to merge, either with a partner, nature or Spirit. This can be indiscriminate or heedless at times, but also can be a doorway into a transcendent state. In daily life, this can become problematic with keeping personal boundaries and focus, since it’s so easy to be pulled outside of oneself.

Sep 12, 2019
Liturgists (The Alien & The Robot)
49:02

This is an episode of our other podcast, The Alien & The Robot. It's a show for our Patrons, but this episode has some announcements about new stuff coming to Patreon PLUS we found a way to describe the "mission" of The Liturgists out loud for the first time ever. Not bad for a show that started in 2014.

Sep 05, 2019
Scrupulosity
01:08:19

Hillary McBride speaks with Audrey Assad about how fundamental religious cultures can foster, and even sometimes reward mental illnesses. In this episode Audrey shares about her experience battling Scrupulosity, or Religious OCD.

Aug 22, 2019
Jamie Lee Finch is a Sex Witch.
01:14:27

Michael Gungor sits down with Jamie Lee Finch to talk about embodiment, sexuality, and religious trauma. Jamie is a sexuality and embodiment coach, author, and poet.

Michael Gungor and Science Mike are on tour. Click here to see if they're coming to a city near you.

Aug 08, 2019
Dealing with Loneliness - Live from Wild Goose
50:17

Science Mike, Michael Gungor, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride discuss the modern epidemic of loneliness, and how to respond to it in an episode recorded in front of a live audience at the Wild Goose Festival 2019.

We've got HUGE NEWS about our Tabs & Wafers tour: We're offering FREE TICKETS in all remaining cities in order to make our events more economically accessible. Plus, we're finally telling you the event actually is. You can learn more here. See you soon, Minneapolis, Chicago, Los Angeles, Tempe, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, and Austin.

Jul 25, 2019
Prayer
01:06:39

This episode is about prayer. What is prayer? What value, if any,  does prayer have for people who don't believe in a theistic God anymore?

Science Mike and Michael Gungor are on tour and headed to a city near you.

Jul 11, 2019
Pro-life, Pro-choice (Re-Release) with Rachel Held Evans
50:26

Alabama recently approved a measure that would outlaw almost all abortions in the state, setting up a challenge to Roe v. Wade, the case that recognized a woman's constitutional right to end a pregnancy. Few issues are more divisive than abortion. Few topics push on our most fundamental ideas about life, personhood, and morality. Back in 2015, Rachel Held Evans, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor take a look a simple, controversial question: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

For more information on Rachel Held Evans’ work, and to learn how to support her family following her tragic passing, visit rachelheldevans.com

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Jun 20, 2019
Episode 100
01:09:07

In celebration of our 100th episode, we take a look at where the podcast has been while looking forward to what's next. Thank you to all of you who've listened and contributed over the years.

Michael Gungor and Science Mike are going on tour in an event called Tabs & Wafers. Learn more.

May 21, 2019
The God Question
41:26

In this episode, Michael Gungor asks leading theologians, scholars, teachers two questions: “Does God exist,” and “Who or what is God?”

Guests on this episode include, Richard Rohr, Diana Butler Bass, Amy-Jill Levine, Sharon Salzberg, Reza Aslan, Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride.

Fr. Richard Rohr is a globally recognized ecumenical teacher bearing witness to the universal awakening within Christian mysticism and the Perennial Tradition. He is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province and founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fr. Richard’s teaching is grounded in the Franciscan alternative orthodoxy—practices of contemplation and self-emptying, expressing itself in radical compassion, particularly for the socially marginalized.

Diana Butler Bass is an author, speaker, and independent scholar specializing in American religion and culture. She holds a Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University and is the award-winning author of ten books, including Grounded: Finding God in the World —A Spiritual Revolution, Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening,  Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church is Transforming the Faith, and Grateful: The Transformative Power of Giving Thanks.

Amy-Jill Levine is University Professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies, Mary Jane Werthan Professor of Jewish Studies, and Professor of New Testament Studies at Vanderbilt Divinity School and College of Arts and Science; she is also Affiliated Professor, Centre for the Study of Jewish-Christian Relations, Cambridge UK.   Her books include The Misunderstood Jew: The Church and the Scandal of the Jewish Jesus; The Meaning of the Bible: What the Jewish Scriptures and the Christian Old Testament Can Teach Us (co-authored with Douglas Knight); The New Testament, Methods and Meanings (co-authored with Warren Carter), and the thirteen-volume edited Feminist Companions to the New Testament and Early Christian Writing.  Her most recent volume is Short Stories by Jesus: The Enigmatic Parables of a Controversial Rabbi. She has also just written, with noted children’s book author Sandy Eisenberg Sasso, Who Counts? 100 Sheep, Ten Coins, and Two Sons (a volume on the parables of Luke 15, designed for children). Dr. Levine is also the co-editor, with Marc Z. Brettler, of the Jewish Annotated New Testament, now in a second edition.   Holding the B.A. from Smith College, and the M.A. and Ph.D. from Duke University, she has honorary doctorates from the University of Richmond, the Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest, the University of South Carolina-Upstate, Drury University, Christian Theological Seminary, and Franklin College. A self-described Yankee Jewish feminist, Professor Levine is a member of Congregation Sherith Israel, an Orthodox Synagogue in Nashville, although she is often quite unorthodox.

Sharon Salzberg is a central figure in the field of meditation, a world-renowned teacher and NY Times bestselling author. She has played a crucial role in bringing meditation and mindfulness practices to the West and into mainstream culture since 1974, when she first began teaching. She is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA and the author of ten books including NY Times bestseller, Real Happiness, her seminal work, Lovingkindness and her forthcoming release by Flatiron Books, Real Love. Renowned for her down-to-earth teaching style, Sharon offers a secular, modern approach to Buddhist teachings, making them instantly accessible. She is a regular columnist for On Being, a contributor to Huffington Post, and the host of her own podcast: The Metta Hour.

Reza Aslan is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, producer, and scholar of religions. His books, including his #1 New York Times Bestseller, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, have been translated into dozens of languages around the world. He is also a recipient of the prestigious James Joyce Award.

May 02, 2019
THIS
01:08:58

Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride talk with Michael Gungor about his newest book, THIS. As Michael shares, letting go of the stories that defined his identity and value in the world led him and his family on a wild and painful journey through atheism, mysticism, betrayal, loss, medical issues, moving trucks, and thousands of online trolls.

The deconstruction of his faith is one story. The transformation of it is another. As Michael lets us know, our stories are the seams of illusion that we sew into reality―in order to label this and that. But what you think of as you (or anything else for that matter) is simply movement within the ocean of Being―of THIS. Once you see that is it just a story, you can let go and be free.

You can get your copy of THIS on Amazon.com or, if you prefer audio books,  you can get THIS for free by signing up for an Audible trial using our affiliate link.

Apr 16, 2019
What I'm Learning
01:06:51

Hillary McBride and Science Mike talk about learning to cope with change, growth, and intimacy.

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Apr 04, 2019
Richard Rohr and The Universal Christ (Part 2)
01:26:24

Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book. You can learn more about the book here.


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Mar 24, 2019
Richard Rohr and The Universal Christ (Part 1)
46:12

Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book. You can learn more about the book here.


You can get the audiobook for The Universal Christ for free using our Audible affiliate link. Learn more here.

Mar 24, 2019
Fear | Live in Nashville
01:10:44

We’re discussing fear in an episode that was recorded live at The Liturgists Gathering in Nashville, TN. Special thanks to Jamie Lee Finch for joining us.


We’re going on tour! Join Science Mike and Michael Gungor for Tabs & Wafers. Tickets are on sale now--visit our events page for more information.

Mar 07, 2019
Buddhist (Part 2)
01:34:10

This week we're talking with Sharon Salzberg. Sharon is a central figure in the field of meditation, a world-renowned teacher and NY Times bestselling author. She has played a crucial role in bringing meditation and mindfulness practices to the West and into mainstream culture since 1974, when she first began teaching. She is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA and the author of ten books including NY Times bestseller, Real Happiness, her seminal work, Lovingkindness and her forthcoming release by Flatiron Books, Real Love. Renowned for her down-to-earth teaching style, Sharon offers a secular, modern approach to Buddhist teachings, making them instantly accessible. She is a regular columnist for On Being, a contributor to Huffington Post, and the host of her own podcast: The Metta Hour. For more information, visit www.SharonSalzberg.com.

We've got a handful of tickets left for our next kin retreat. If you're a man interested in confronting harmful cultural scripts around masculinity, we'd love for you to join us in Ojai this May.

Feb 22, 2019
Buddhist (Part 1)
01:46:32

We're talking with Bushi Yamato Damashii this week to kick off a new series on Buddhism. Bushi is a Buddhist monk and lead resident teacher at Daishin Zen Buddhist Temple in Thomasville, North Carolina. Bushi is also the Vice-president and Zen monk at Still Water Farms Retreat Center in Franklinville, NC. A former Christian minister and pastor, Bushi now speaks of much deeper understanding of the love and compassion of the Historical Jesus and the Historical Buddha. Bushi is classically trained in Mahayana Buddhism and Daishin Zen.

Feb 07, 2019
BONUS - Transitions (The Alien & The Robot)
01:00:28

We've got another podcast called The Alien & The Robot that's available exclusively to our Patrons. But, as we work on Season 5, we've got some big news to share on multiple fronts. So, please enjoy a "behind the scenes" look at what The Liturgists are up to.

Here's some links you may want:

End of the World Tour 

The Liturgists NEW SOCIAL PLATFORM 

Jan 31, 2019
The End of The World Tour
01:15:01

Propaganda, the Brilliance, and Gungor talk about their upcoming tour. Plus, Propaganda and Alma from the Red Couch Podcast tell us about their upcoming series on intersectionality, It's Complicated.

Jan 25, 2019
Season 4 Finale
02:09:56

To close out Season 4 of The Liturgists Podcast, we look back at some of the highlights from The Liturgists Podcast so far (as selected by our community on Patreon).

We're hiring an Associate Producer. You can learn more here.

Dec 31, 2018
Kosmos
01:19:09

In this episode, we talk about the story behind Kosmos, the latest record by William Matthews.

Nov 29, 2018
(Not) Christian
01:43:08

In the final episode of our Christian series, William Matthews tells Michael Gungor why he should be a Christian.

Nov 15, 2018
Christian (Part Fohr)
01:08:01

This week, Fr. Richard Rohr joins William Matthews, Michael Gungor, and Hillary McBride to explore the question: What is a Christian?

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in Minneapolis or Nashville this Novemeber.

Oct 18, 2018
Christian (Part 3)
01:14:06

This week Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk with Lisa Gungor and Jenny McHargue about what Christianity is.

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in London, Minneapolos, or Nashville this year.

Oct 04, 2018
Christian (Part 2)
01:22:26

This is the first in a weekly series where we explore two seemingly simple questions: "Do you identify as a Christian," and, "Why or why not."

Our guest on this episode is Jennifer Knapp.

We'll be in London, Minneapolis and Nashville for The Liturgists Gathering this fall. We'd love to see you there.

Sep 27, 2018
Christian (Part 1)
01:11:24

This is the first in a weekly series where we explore two seemingly simple questions: "Do you identify as a Christian," and, "Why or why not."

Our guest on this episode is Rachel Held Evans. Her new book about the Bible is called Inspired.

We'll be in London, Minneapolis and Nashville for The Liturgists Gathering this fall. We'd love to see you there.

Sep 20, 2018
The Alien & The Robot - Earth
01:09:41

Here's a sample of our latest project: a new weekly podcast for folks who support us on Patreon called The Alien & The Robot.

Sep 06, 2018
Man
01:39:26

As a followup to Woman, this episode explores masculinity and male identity in a culture striving for equality.

Jul 26, 2018
Live in Austin, TX
01:20:42

This podcast was recorded at The Liturgists Gathering in Austin, TX.

If you're interested in hosting The Liturgists Gathering, let us know.

Jul 12, 2018
The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen - Lisa Gungor
57:51
Jun 25, 2018
Social Media
01:36:56

A look at how social media impacts advocay, mental health, community building, and our view of the world.

May 31, 2018
BONUS - Twelve Questions
47:29

As we gear up for The Liturgists Gathering in Austin, TX, here's a bonus episode from our Patreon podcast.

May 18, 2018
Mysticism
01:14:28

Hillary, William, Michael, and Mike discuss spirtulity beyond the reach of language.

May 03, 2018
Tongues
01:21:27

This episode is about the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, as explored through the perspectives of science, art, and faith.

Apr 19, 2018
The Ethics of F***ing (Part 2)
01:48:05
TRIGGER WARNING: The interview with Christopher West in Part 2 could be triggering to members of the LGBTQIA+ community. It's included so people with non-affiriming viewpoints on LGBTQIA+ on sexuality are prompted to examine the implications of that worldview, but we encourge our listners to use discretion before listening to that segment.
 
In this episode, we’re talking about how to discern what is right and healthy for people in sexual activity.
 
We’d like to thank our guests on this episode, and we encourage you to check out their work.
 
Caroline Lee, Artist and Photographer
Apr 05, 2018
The Ethics of F***ing (Part 1)
57:22
In this episode, we’re talking about how to discern what is right and healthy for people in sexual activity.
 
We’d like to thank our guests on this episode, and we encourage you to check out their work.
 
Caroline Lee, Artist and Photographer
Apr 05, 2018
Body Image
01:36:40
In this episode, we’re discussing body image–how we view our bodies and the bodies of others.
 
Mar 22, 2018
Embodiment
01:33:16

Who are you? Is the body a transport vessel for the brain? This episode tackles the idea of emboidment, and our complex relationships with our own bodies.

Mar 08, 2018
Evangelical (Part 2)
59:39
What does it mean to be an Evangelical today? We talk with Matthew Vines from The Reformation Project as well as author/speaker Jen Hatmaker about Evangelicalism in 2018.
Feb 22, 2018
Evangelical (Part 1)
01:25:20
What does it mean to be an Evangelical today? We talk with Matthew Vines from The Reformation Project as well as author/speaker Jen Hatmaker about Evangelicalism in 2018.
Feb 22, 2018
Meet the New Hosts
01:10:37

On this episode, we welcome two new hosts to the podast: William Matthews and Hillary McBride. Plus, we uncover the hottest new band in worship music, Abraham's Bosom.

Feb 08, 2018
Loving Kindness Meditation
25:17

This is a bonus episode with a Loving Kindness meditation. May you find that it promotes healing in difficult times.

If you'd like to try more meditations like these, join us on Patreon.

If you'd like to learn more about meditation as a practice, consider our new online course about meditaiton.

Jan 20, 2018
Shame - Live from Seattle
01:30:09

This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Seattle, WA on October 27, 2017.

Thanks Hillary McBride for joining us on this episode. Her new book is available now.

Special Announcement: We're starting something new next year for those of you who want to go deeper with topics we discuss on The Liturgists Podcast via video courses. If you'd like to get access to these first, you can  preorder the first two for the price of one here.

Dec 05, 2017
Paranormal (Special Halloween Episode)
01:30:03

We've got a special show this week, full of ghost stories and other encounters with the paranormal. Listen, if you dare.

Oct 31, 2017
God Our Mother - Live from Boston
01:05:05

This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Los Angeles, CA on October 6, 2017.

Thanks Christena Cleveland and David Gungor for joining us on this episode.

Special Annoucenemnt: Tickets for The Liturgists Gathering in London are now on sale.

Oct 17, 2017
Enemies - Live from Los Angeles
01:28:10

This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Los Angeles, CA on September 15, 2017.

Thanks Iris Chandler, Sarah Heath, William Matthews, Lisa Gungor, and Peter Rollins for joining us on this episode.

Oct 03, 2017
Names
01:10:18

An exploration of what names are, how they shape us, and what happens when we change more than our label can accommodate.

Aug 15, 2017
The Other Show
01:35:46

While Science Mike unpacks moving boxes and Michael Gungor is on tour with Gungor, we offer this "Best of The Liturgists Conversations" episode. Want to hear more like this? Join us on Patreon.

Aug 01, 2017
Rob Bell and the Bible
01:17:15

Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk to Rob Bell about his latest book, What is the Bible.

Jul 11, 2017
Pale Blue Dot
01:31:41
In this episode Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk about the psychological shift that comes with seeing the Earth from space with Guy Reid and Jacob Marshall. We also spoke with climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe about the science behind climate change, and what we can do to protect life on this planet.
 
Watch Guy’s film OVERVIEW here to learn more about The Overview Effect. You can see more work by Guy at http://weareplanetary.com
 
You can learn more about the work of Katharine Hayhoe on her website, including resources and videos about the science of global climate change.
 
Jun 20, 2017
Christian Violence
01:42:03
In this episode, Michael Gungor and Science Mike discuss the relationship between violence and Christianity with Shane Claiborne.
 
Check out Shane’s new book, Executing Grace.
Jun 06, 2017
Spiritual Trauma
02:19:07
We’ve heard thousands of stories from people who’ve been hurt by someone in their faith communities–it’s one of the most common elements among The Liturgists. In this episode we discuss spiritual trauma: what it is, how to cope with it, and how to support others through it. Michael Gungor and Science Mike spoke with Hillary McBride, Teresa Pasquale Mateus, and Carol Howard Merritt about trauma in spiritual contexts.
 
Hillary McBride is a registered clinical counsellor in Vancouver BC, and is a PhD candidate in Counseling Psychology at the University of British Columbia. She has her own private practice specializing in trauma and trauma therapies, both single incident traumas and complex developmental traumas. Hillary has a book coming out in October 2017 called 'mothers, daughters, and body image: learning to love ourselves as we are" about women making peace with their bodies, and learning to embrace and enjoy their bodies- shifting the tide of normative body dissatisfaction among westernized women. You can learn more about Hillary on her website.
 
Teresa B. Pasquale Mateus, LCSW, E-RYT 200 is a trauma psychotherapist, yoga and contemplative practice teacher and author based out of Chicago, Illinois. She is a graduate of New York University's School of Clinical Social work and Richard Rohr's Living School at the Center for Action and Contemplation. She is co-founder and Executive Director of The Mystic Soul Project whose mission is to center the voices, work, and formation for people of color in contemplation, action and healing. She is the author of Sacred Wounds: A Path To Healing from Spiritual Trauma and Mending Broken: A Personal Journey Through the Stages of Trauma & Recovery. Teresa teaches, preaches, lectures, facilitates experiential workshops and retreats around issues of trauma, spiritual journey, ritual, as well as the interconnection between contemplation and action (often with a specifically people of color centered approach). You can learn more about Teresa on her website.
 
Rev. Carol Howard Merritt is a minister whose writing, speaking, and teaching is anchored in theological wisdom and sociological insight. She’s a sought-after keynote speaker, especially on the topic of ministering in a new generation. The award-winning author of Tribal Church: Ministering to the Missing Generation, Reframing Hope: Vital Ministry in a New Generation, and Healing Spiritual Wounds: Reconnecting with a Loving God After Experiencing a Hurtful Church. Carol is a frequent contributor to books, websites, magazines, and journals. She is a regular writer at the Christian Century where her blog is hosted. You can learn more about Carol on her website.
 
Additional Resources on Spiritual Trauma
 
Sacred Wounds: A Path to Healing from Spiritual Trauma by Teresa B. Pasquale Mateus (a guest on this episode).
 
Hillary offers these suggestions for additional resources:
 
TW: Please read these books at your discretion. Some books may be more academic and clinical, while others are designed to help you work through trauma or support people you love with trauma. 
 
these books contain information and narratives about:
interpersonal violence, sexual assault, military trauma, incest, catastrophic disasters, verbal, physical, and sexual abuse, clergy abuse. 
 
If you are looking for a trauma therapist following listening to this episode, consider looking for a therapist who has training in:
EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy)
SE (Somatic experiencing)
SP (Sensorimotor psychotherapy)
LI (Lifespan integration)
OEI (Observed and experiential integration)
Hakomi - body based therapy 
 
 
getting past your past- francine shapiro
the sexual healing journey- wendy maltz
May 16, 2017
Palm Sunday
26:08

A liturgy for the beginnging of Holy Week.

If you'd like a daily resource for all of holy week, join us on Patreon.

Apr 09, 2017
Advocacy
01:26:40
How can we engage in effective advocacy that creates change? And how can we do so without losing hope? We talked to two experts in the world of social justice and advocacy to find out.
 
Christena Cleveland is a social psychologist, public theologian, author and professor. She is the first Associate Professor of the Practice of Reconciliation at Duke University’s Divinity School and the author of Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart. You can learn more about her at http://www.christenacleveland.com
 
Micky is a perpetual learner, “justice doula”, consultant, facilitator, mama/sister/friend, nonviolence practitioner and contemplative activist living just south of Nashville, TN. After 10 plus years as a mother-baby specialist, trainer and author, she decided to shift back to earlier interests: theology and community development. She is a member of the co-learning community of NAIITS (North American Institute of Indigenous Theological Studies) and graduated with a Masters of Arts in Intercultural Studies. Learn more about her at http://www.mickyscottbeyjones.com
Mar 21, 2017
Fake News & Media Literacy
01:08:00
What’s fake news, and how can we spot it? This episode is about media literacy, and offers insights on how to spot fake news, as well as media bias, and skewed data.
 
We talked with Clay Johnson, author of The Information Diet and the co-founder of Blue State Digital, the firm that built and managed Barack Obama’s online campaign for the presidency in 2008.
 
Here’s a few resources to dig deeper:
 
Mar 07, 2017
Bonus - Lent 2017
13:22

We're producing a daily medititation for our subscribers on Patreon for Lent this year. If you'd like to join us, vist our website at http://theliturgists.com and click the "Donate Now" button to learn more.

Mar 01, 2017
How Do We Know What We Know? (Epistemology)
01:12:21

We're talking about epistemology on this episode–the study of truth, belief, and justification. Sound boring? In the age of "fake news," this may be the most important topic we can cover.

Feb 21, 2017
Ableism
01:19:48

This episode is all about ableism–the conscious and unconcious ways that people tend to discrimnate against disabled people.

Ginny Owens joined us to talk about her experiences as a blind muscian living and working in Nashville. You can learn more about Ginny and her music at ginnyowens.com.

Heather Avis told us about her children with Down syndrome, and how people respond to them. Her book, The Lucky Few: Finding God's Best in the Most Unlikely Places, comes out March 21, 2017.

Michele in NYC shared her perspective as a queer, intersectional, disabled activist. She invites you to learn more about ableism (and how to rid the world of it) at whatisableism.tumblr.com.

Feb 07, 2017
Parenting and Deconstruction
01:19:35

As a follow-up to Lost & Found and The Other Side of the Mattress, we respond to our most common request: an episode on how to talk to your kids during and after faith transitions.

Jan 24, 2017
A Christmas Story of Sorts
37:22

A special Christmas episode featuring highlights from our friends The Brilliance.

Dec 20, 2016
Suffering (Part 3)
01:20:36

This is the third episode of a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

Nov 29, 2016
Suffering (Part 2)
57:17

This is the second in a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

Nov 15, 2016
Suffering (Part 1)
01:07:11

This is the first in a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

 

Nov 01, 2016
One Wild Life:Body (Part 5)
32:30
We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 07, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 4)
39:40
We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 06, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 3)
33:43
We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 05, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 2)
33:17

We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

Oct 04, 2016
One Wild Life Body (Part 1)
28:46

We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

Oct 03, 2016
Woman (Episode 40)
01:43:07

In this episode, we explore the sexism in the context of culture and the church.

Featuring Austin Channing Brown, Caroline Lee, Christine Chester, Emily Capshaw, Lisa Gungor, and Rev. Sarah Heath.
Sep 27, 2016
Finding God in the Waves (Episode 39)
01:17:09

In this episode, Science Mike and Michael Gungor are joined by many surprise guests to talk about Mike's new book, Finding God in the Waves. WARNING: You may need tissues if you're the weepy type.

Sep 13, 2016
Religious Art (Episode 38)
01:12:38

What is religious art? Can all art be religious? Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk with a host of creators about the nature of art and how we relate to God.

Sep 06, 2016
The Enneagram (Episode 37)
02:00:34

To kick of Season 3, Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the Enneagram with Ian Cron and Suzanne Stabile.

Learn more about the Enneagram at The Road Back to You.
Aug 23, 2016
Episode 36 - Wild Goose 2016
42:01

While we work on Season 3, here's a special live episode of The Liturgists Podcast recorded at the Wild Goose Festival. It's a conversation between Science Mike, Michael Gungor, and a live audience.

If you'd like to be part of a conversation like this, join us at The Liturgists Gathering.
Jul 19, 2016
Episode 35 - The Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr
01:05:51

Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk about mysticism and the Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr.

Apr 12, 2016
Episode 34 - Black and White: Racism in America
01:38:02
Mar 29, 2016
Episode 33 - One Wild Life Spirit
01:02:25

Science Mike talks with Lisa and Michael Gungor about their new album, One Wild Life Soul.

 
We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering or the One Wild Life Tour.
Mar 08, 2016
Episode 32 - Storytelling at Sundance
01:42:52

The Liturgists Podcast won the Sprit of Windrider Award at Sundance this year, so Science Mike and Michael Gungor talked with filmmakers and cultural curators about the art, science, and faith of storytelling.

Feb 23, 2016
Episode 31 - The Voice of God
01:06:23

As a follow up to Prophet or Ass, Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk with Hae-jin and Jacob Marshall about hearing the voice of God–and how implausible the very idea is.

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in Dallas, Denver, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

Feb 09, 2016
Episode 30 - Prophet or Ass
01:11:38

Rachel Held Evans joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to discuss the difference between speaking necessary truth and being an ass.

Science Mike's four questions for speaking truth are here.

We're coming to Phoenix and Los Angeles with our Lost & Found event. You can learn more here.

If you're interested in hosting one of our conferences in 2016 at no cost to your church, visit this page.

Jan 19, 2016
Episode 29 - Philosophy and Radical Theology
58:50

Science Mike and Michael Gungor chat with Peter Rollins about the tension between science and philosophy and what that means for our beliefs about God.

You can learn more about Peter's work on his website, or check out The Divine Magician on Amazon.

Dec 15, 2015
Episode 28 - The Asymptotic Fidelity of Words
01:11:11

Amena Brown, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor discuss the origins and application of language.

The Void is a work by Graham Murtaugh.

Nov 24, 2015
Episode 27 - The Multiverse
01:00:04

What is the multiverse? And what can it tell us about God? Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the science, faith, and art of multiverse theories.

We're running a crowdfunding campaign. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider donating here.

Nov 03, 2015
Episode 26 - Faith and Music with David Bazan
01:19:54

Michael Gungor sits down with David Bazan to talk about faith and music.

We'd love to see you at Belong.

Oct 20, 2015
Episode 25 - Sin
57:54

There are many different ideas about sin in our culture today. Some believe sin is a failure to follow God's law, while others believe its an harmful anachronism. For this episode of The Liturgists Podcast, Michael Gungor, Lissa Paino, and Science Mike talk about sin.

Things mentioned in this episode:

René Girard

Science Mike's axiom about sin

Sound design by Michael Gungor.
Content edits by Gregg Nordin.

Oct 06, 2015
Episode 24 - Christian Nationalism
55:51

Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino look at what happens when nationalism and Christianity overlap.

Sep 22, 2015
Episode 23 - Pro-life, Pro-choice
49:31

Few issues are more divisive than abortion. Few topics push on our most fundamental ideas about life, personhood, and morality that when life begins.

Rachel Held Evans, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor take a look a simple, controversial question: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Sep 08, 2015
Episode 22 - Who Am I?
47:08

We're hosting an event called Belong in London this November. Click here to learn more.

Spirit, Soul, and Body. The mystery of consciousness and the way our perception of the world seems distinct from our physicality means most people believe their consciousness transcends their bodies alone. But what are we? A spirit trapped in a body? Or an illusionary, emergent property of neurons and synapses?

Science Mike and Michael Gungor bring The Liturgists Podcast back from hiatus to consider these ideas from the lenses of faith, art, and science.

Aug 25, 2015
Episode 21 - One Wild Life
56:04

Science Mike sat down with Michael Gungor and Lisa Gungor to talk about their new project One Wild Life: Soul following Belong.

One Wild Life: Soul comes out in August, but you can get it now for a limited time as part of the One Wild Life Season Pass. One Wild Life is a trilogy of records being released this year, and the Season Pass gets you all three before anyone else–including One Wild Life: Soul immediately.

See gungormusic.com for more details.

Jun 30, 2015
Episode 20 - LGBTQ
02:04:59

Donald Miller and J.J. Peterson; Matthew Vines; Melissa Greene, Stan Mitchell, and Tabitha from GracePointe; Preston Sprinkle; and Ed Gungor join Science Mike and Michael Gungor to share their stories and perspectives on LGBTQ persons and the Church.

May 19, 2015
Episode 19 - Searching For Sunday with Rachel Held Evans
01:16:39

Science Mike and Michael Gungor chat with Rachel Held Evans about her latest book, Searching For Sunday–and what the church of tomorrow may look like.

Searching For Sunday

Community Resources Email Sign Up

Belong: An Event by The Liturgists

May 05, 2015
Episode 18 - Worship (Part 2)
53:37

David Gungor (of The Brilliance) joins Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about the faith, art, and science of worship.

And as we discussed on the program, we create liturgies for worship and never talk about then on our own podcast. You can find them here.

Apr 21, 2015
Episode 17 - Worship (Part 1)
47:15

David Gungor (of The Brilliance) joins Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about the faith, art, and science of worship.

And as we discussed on the program, we create liturgies for worship and never talk about then on our own podcast. You can find them here.

Apr 07, 2015
Episode 16 - The End (Eschatology)
01:19:01

Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the strangeness of eschatology through the lenses of art, science, and faith.

Here's a couple of resources discussed this week.

I Am a Strange Loop.

The Fermi Paradox.

The Problem with Artificial Intelligence.

Mar 24, 2015
Episode 15 - Songwriting
01:12:49

Ryan O'Neal from Sleeping at Last joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to talk about the science, faith, and art of songwriting.

The film Ryan is scoring is Many Beautiful Things. Ryan is also working on Atlas: Year Two.

We mentioned Michael's book The Crowd, the Critic, and the Muse. We also talked about The War of Art and The Artist's Way.

Mar 10, 2015
Episode 14 - Meditation
01:17:26

What is meditation and how does it effect our faith? What does it do to our brains? Michael Gungor and Science Mike discuss their experiences with meditation through the lenses of science, art, and faith.

Feb 24, 2015
Episode 13 - Humor with Pete Holmes
01:08:11

What is humor? Where does it come from? Why do people have such different ideas about what is and is not funny? Comedian (and host of You Made it WeirdPete Holmes joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to talk about the science, art, and faith of humor.

Note: This episode of The Liturgists Podcast contains explicit language and mature themes. This isn't an episode for the kids or people offended by such things.

Feb 10, 2015
Episode 12 - Marriage & Relationships with Kristen and Rob Bell
48:11

Marriage is changing. Less people are getting married today than in the past, and many people who want to get married can’t. Humans long for companionship and love, but what does a healthy marriage look like in this changing landscape? We sat down with Kristen & Rob Bell to discuss marriage and relationships–and the best ways to experience fulfillment and joy in our most important relationship to another person.

Kristen and Rob have a book called The Zimzum of Love that explores the topic deeper. You can learn more about it here.

Rob’s also got a new podcast called the Robcast. You can catch it on iTunes.

Jan 27, 2015
Episode 11 - The Other Side of the Mattress
57:33

Our long promised "spouses of doubt" episode is finally here. Lisa Gungor and Jenny McHargue share their experiences being married to someone losing their faith (and talk about what you tell the kids as it happens).

Production and Sound Design by Joel Marchard.

Jan 13, 2015
Episode 10 - Christian Celebrity
52:07

Modern people are obsessed with fame and celebrity, and Christians are no exception. Despite a value system that encourages humility and discourages elevating people, Christians often lift their leaders and artists up to lofty pedestals (at least until they tear them down). Why do we do this? And is fame and acclaim always bad? Is there a healthy way to approach celebrity in the Church? Rachel Held Evans joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike for a discussion of Christian Celebrity.

Dec 23, 2014
Episode 9 - Safe Church
55:16

Churches are places of growth and healing at their best, but too often people associate churches with trauma and hurt. How can we find and foster safe, supportive spiritual communities that help more than they harm? Science Mike and Pastor Betsy take your questions on the topic of Safe Church.

Also, we're thrilled to introduce you to Joel Marchand. Joel did the outstanding editing and sound design you'll hear on this episode.

Nov 25, 2014
Episode 8 - Special Announcement & Interstellar
01:08:05

On this week's episode, Science Mike and Josh make an announcement about the future of The Liturgists Podcast and then dive deep into the science behind the movie Interstellar.

Rob Carmack asks Science Mike five questions about Interstellar.

The Science of Interstellar

Neil deGrasse Tyson on Interstellar

Phil Plait on Interstellar, and then again after more research.

If time dilation and Relativity are blowing your mind, watch this and this. Oh, and this too.

 

Nov 11, 2014
Episode 7 - Lost and Found (Part 2)
42:26

This is part 2 of Michael Gungor and Science Mike sharing the stories of losing their faith and finding God again.

Oct 28, 2014
Episode 6 - Lost and Found (Part 1)
01:30:58

What is it like to lose God? Is there a way back after unbelief? Michael Gungor and Science Mike share their stories of faith lost and found.

Oct 14, 2014
Episode 5 - Spiral Dynamics
01:10:27

Have you ever noticed that people come to radically different conclusions even when offered the same information? We see this at play in religion, politics, sports, art, and even Thanksgiving dinner. Where do these different ways of viewing the world come from, and why do they cause so much conflict? In this episode, Lissa Paino, Mike McHargue, and Michael Gungor discuss Spiral Dynamics–a theoretical model of how human consciousness changes the world, and then reacts to those changes. This is a heady episode, but don't worry. We've got visual aids.

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Sep 23, 2014
Episode 4 - Church Unity
01:03:58

The Christian Church includes both radical pacifists and people who want to engage in violence against Muslims. Is unity possible between all the radically diverse people who call themselves "Christian?" Rachel Held Evans joins Lissa Paino, Mike McHargue and Michael Gungor to talk about church unity In the aftermath of a Charisma News editorial calling for violence against Muslims.

Sep 09, 2014
Episode 3 - The Bible
01:07:03

War. Genocide. Incest. Murder. No, we're not talking about Game of Thrones–this episode is about the Bible. Some people view it as the infallible Word of God, others as the Word of God through words of men, and some people think the Bible is much ado about nothing. Guest Peter Enns joins Lissa Paino, Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about what the Bible means to Christians today.

Peter's latest book The Bible Tells Me So is available for preorder here.

Aug 26, 2014
Episode 2 - Genesis & Evolution
55:01

A host of publications, including Ken Ham's Answers In Genesis take issue with Michael's take on Genesis and the Christian social media world explodes with controversy. In this episode, Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino discuss how everything came to be through the lenses of art, science, and faith.

Aug 12, 2014
Episode 1 - Creativity
48:14

Where does creativity come from? Is everyone creative? How do people become more creative?What role does creativity play in liturgy and sacred art? Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino discuss creativity through the lenses of science, art, and faith.

Jul 29, 2014