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 Oct 20, 2019


 Sep 25, 2019

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Michael Gungor, William Matthews, and Dr. Hillary McBride host a culture-shaping, genre-bending conversation about the most relevant (or bizarre) topics facing people today.

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Are You Perfect Yet?
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In this bonus episode from The Liturgists Network show Loving This Michael Gungor discusses and demos his new solo album Are You Perfect Yet? which is by his new artist Weiwu. The album follows the flow of Five Rhythms dance, which is a movement meditation practice devised by Gabrielle Roth. It draws from indigenous and world traditions using tenets of shamanistic, ecstatic, mystical and eastern philosophy. It also draws from Gestalt therapy, the human potential movement and transpersonal psychology. This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
Jun 18, 2020
Shēma
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A special preview of The Alien Podcast which is our private podcast for patrons. This week Michael (The Alien) and Jamie (The Sex Witch) talk about all manner of rabbit trails. Each week on The Alien Podcast Michael has open ended conversations with wonderful people like William Matthews, Dr. Hillary McBride, Jamie Lee Finch, Peter Rollins, and more. Join The Liturgists at the $10 and get more episodes like this every single week: theliturgists.com/join This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
May 28, 2020
Should Dissonance Be Avoided?
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William Matthews, Dr. Hillary McBride, and Michael Gungor discuss dissonance and how our minds work to make sense of things when we have two incongruent ideas occupy our minds at one time. How does our ability to survive affect how we approach those different ideas? What kind of new thing exists in the space of that dissonance? Michael describes the experience to be like that of a polychord from Igor Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring. This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
May 21, 2020
Is Disability Inherently Negative?
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Heather McCain talks with Dr. Hillary McBride to pull apart the story that disability is inherently negative. Heather McCain is Executive Director of Creating Accessible Neighbourhoods, a non-profit they founded in 2005. Heather’s experiences with multiple types of disabilities, inaccessibility, and ableism led them to become a well-known and respected speaker, advocate, educator, and activist, working with a variety of companies, cities, and non-profits to confront the issues that face disabled people. Recognizing that the disability community is comprised of people with many intersecting identities, Heather is committed to cross-movement organizing and working to ensure that the entire disabled person is considered. Heather facilitates Qmunity’s group Chronically Queer, a support group for queer folk who have chronic health conditions and is an organizer of Burnaby Pride and facilitates the Burnaby Pride Community Action Network. This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
May 14, 2020
Does Fat = Bad?
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Christy Harrison talks with Dr. Hillary McBride and Michael Gungor about our culture's obsession with body weight. They dive into over one-hundred years of history to highlight how our modern day assumptions are often based on decades of social norms that have built up over time. Christy is an anti-diet registered dietitian, certified intuitive eating counselor, host of the podcast Food Psych, and author of Anti-Diet: Reclaim Your Time, Money, Well-Being, and Happiness Through Intuitive Eating (2019). You are not alone! This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
May 07, 2020
I'll Be Happy If...
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Peter Rollins and Michael Gungor talk about happiness and the many ways we seek it out. We may use the tools of religion, belief, work, ideals, pleasure, or others to help us be happy. By breaking down the stories we tell ourselves using nondual thinking and philosophy they seek a deeper understanding of what makes us happy. Peter Rollins is an author, philosopher, storyteller, producer and public speaker. He is the author of The Divine Magician (2015) and The Idolatry of God (2013) among other books. Peter received his PhD in Post-Structural Thought from Queens University, Belfast. You are not alone! This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
Apr 30, 2020
Grief
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We have all experienced or will experience grief at some point in our lives. Loss, whether unexpected or not, leaves us feeling alone. In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride, William Matthews, and Michael Gungor talk about grief, how it affects us, and the toll COVID-19 is taking on the world by creating a large-scale sense of despair. We want to say a special thank you to the many liturgists who submitted their stories of working through grief. Your vulnerability helps us gain a deeper understanding of this complex experience. You are not alone! This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
Apr 23, 2020
Eating and Body Positivity with Evelyn Tribole
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Evelyn Tribole talks with Dr. Hillary McBride and Michael Gungor about our relationship with eating and our view of our body. Evelyn is an award-winning registered dietitian with a nutrition counseling practice in Newport Beach, CA, specializing in eating disorders. In 1995, Evelyn published Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program that Works with her co-author Elyse Resch which has become the go-to book on rebuilding a healthy body image and making peace with food. This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
Apr 16, 2020
Holy Week & Easter
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In this episode we want to share a liturgy we created for Holy Week called "Garden." This liturgy features Amena Brown, Rachel Held Evans, Rob Bell, Science Mike, and Gungor. If you are not a regular consumer of liturgies, it as a collection of related works of art that all cover a specific topic. As we are all social distancing, we want to offer this to you as a way to connect to the ideas of holy week and a way to connect with others while your normal Easter plans have been changed. This Sunday at 11am Pacific you are invited to join us for The Sunday Thing. Hundreds of liturgists from around the world get together via video. We break into smaller groups to talk and it is such a wonderful time. You are not alone in your doubts, questions, anger, sadness, atheism, theism, or any other thing you are going through. To find out more and to join us on Sunday, go to theliturgists.com
Apr 09, 2020
Journeying From Hopelessness to Healing with Ruthie Lindsey
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Ruthie Lindsey talks with Dr. Hillary McBride and Michael Gungor about her experience with pain and trauma. They also discuss some things we can do during the COVID-19 crisis. Ruthie's new book, There I Am: The Journey from Hopelessness to Healing, will be released on April 21, 2020. At seventeen years old, Ruthie Lindsey was hit by an ambulance near her home in rural Louisiana. She was given a five percent chance of survival and one percent chance of walking again. One month later after a spinal fusion surgery, Ruthie defied the odds, leaving the hospital on her own two feet. Just a few years later, newly married and living in Nashville, Ruthie began to experience debilitating pain. Her case confounds doctors and after numerous rounds of testing, imaging, and treatment, they prescribe narcotic painkillers—lots of them. Ruthie became bedridden, dependent on painkillers, and hopeless, when an X-ray reveals that the wire used to fuse her spine is piercing her brain stem. Without another staggeringly expensive experimental surgery, she could well become paralyzed, but in many ways, she already is. Ruthie goes into the hospital in chronic pain, dependent on prescription painkillers, and leaves that way. She can still walk, but has no idea where she’s going. As her life unravels, Ruthie returns home to Louisiana and sets out on a journey to learn joy again. She trades fentanyl for sunsets and morphine for wildflowers, weaning herself off of the drugs and beginning the process of healing—of coming home to her body. You are not alone! We have virtual rooms you can join 24/7 to talk with other liturgists from around the world. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com
Apr 02, 2020
Fighting
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Most of us are cooped up inside our homes and are social distancing in response to COVID-19. If we live with people, this marathon of close proximity may engage our feelings and heighten both the good and bad elements in our relationships. In this episode, Lisa Gungor joins Michael to talk about fighting, communication, and how they have grown over the years. To put your event on the calendar for one of the virtual rooms, go to theliturgists.com/community and follow the link that says schedule. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Mar 26, 2020
COVID-19: The Science, How To Help, and Handling The Stress
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Dr. Hillary McBride, Science Mike, William Matthews, and Michael Gungor talk about COVID-19 and its impact on our health, culture, and economy. Many news sources are discussing the pandemic using the titles "Coronavirus" or "COVID-19." Here are some quick facts and terminology to help you understand what it all means: This virus is a "novel coronavirus," meaning it is a new coronavirus that humans have not experienced before The virus' name is SARS-CoV-2 The disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 is called COVID-19 which stands for Coronavirus Disease-2019 There are 3 strategies that health experts recommend: Hygienic measures like frequent hand-washing, avoiding touching your face, always covering your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze, and STAYING HOME when you exhibit any symptoms of illness. Sanitizing surfaces often, like light switches, door knobs, desks, and counter-tops. Social Distancing (more on this below) A primary way to aid in this crisis is the third point: social distancing. Here are the 3 elements of proper social distancing: Meet in-person with people less often. When you do meet with people, limit how many people are present. (As of mid-March 2020 that looks like less than 10 people at one time.) When you interact with people, keep a 6 foot bubble around yourself. Greet with a wave and show kindness with your words instead of handshakes, hugs, or other physical touch. Here are 6 ideas for how to cope with stress and isolation during this time: Be physically active in your home through yoga, push ups, stretching or our favorite: a dance party! Physical activity allows your body to release tension instead of storing it. Using movement and expression can help our nervous system get back to a state of rest. Strategically be active in open, outdoor spaces where few people are. Go for a walk in the woods, hike on a trail, or run in a large open park. Talk virtually with friends and family often. Here at The Liturgists, we are running The Sunday Thing every Sunday at 11am Pacific as a way to get connected with people — you are invited! Visit theliturgists.com and there is a big button to sign up. Practice meditation and mindfulness. Even for just a few moments a day notice what is happening with your thoughts and see if you can try to catch them if they are wandering into anxiety-laden territory Scan your body regularly for tension, if you notice it, try to take some breaths, soften your muscles, or practice progressive Muscle Relaxation (you can look lots of these audio tracks and scripts up online). Play, create, make, express, design, write. Move things through you existentially. Turning your inside stuff into something on the outside can be so empowering. You can transform your pain and uncertainty into something beautiful you can see. Plus, share what you are making by going to theliturgists.com/make You can also stay up-to-date with the CDC's COVID-19 Resource Guide. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Mar 19, 2020
Is Deconstruction Bad?
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Deconstruction is a common experience for people in The Liturgists Community. We all have stories of how we grew up, memories of what we were taught, and key ideas that still influence us. We may use many words to describe our deconstruction: freeing, scary, lonely, or exciting. The social cost of deconstruction can also be very high. We may feel like our social circles alienated us, or that our family abandoned us. In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride and Michael Gungor talk about deconstruction and how it affects us. They explore the emotions that we feel, the narratives we tell ourselves, and how we can embrace healthy outlooks and overcome the difficult aspects of deconstruction. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Mar 12, 2020
Is Pleasure Sinful?
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While pleasure is usually positive and suffering usually negative, Christian culture often celebrates suffering while denigrating pleasure. Phrases like "dying to the flesh" highlight how we learn to internalize martyrdom in order to please God. Unfortunately, when we suppress our personal needs to conform to this social norm, the result can often lead to a loss of identity. In this episode, Linda Kay Klein, Dr. Hillary McBride, and Michael Gungor talk about the complexity of pleasure, and Linda shares how her fixation on suffering landed her in the hospital at one point in her life. They discuss different ways of understanding pleasure and suffering and how we can all develop a healthier perspective. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Mar 05, 2020
Do Those People Need Jesus?
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There is a God shaped hole in your heart, or at least that's what a white Jesus texted his friend in the tract you read as a kid. We were told we need Jesus because total depravity — our inherent defect — has separated us from God. As well, the idea of hell is a strong incentive to share the story of Jesus with others, because if we don't share those people will be tormented forever. In many communities, Jesus was the way people cleaned up their lives, got off drugs or alcohol, and found stability. Being invited into a supportive community like a church is what some people needed to find a job and thrive. What do we do with the religious superiority that stems from seeing everyone else as inherently wrong? What do we do when we see everyone else as needing a life altering conversion? What do we do with the way colonialism has been paired with evangelism to ignore and scrub away people's culture and context? Often the way people teach others about Jesus misses the entire message of who Jesus was. In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride, William Matthews, and Michael Gungor talk about these ideas of needing Jesus and sharing Jesus with others. We recorded live at The Solvang Folk School Talks in Solvang, California. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Feb 27, 2020
Are Those People the Problem?
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Scapegoating is a common human response to difficult situations. We have a tendency to point to another group of people as the source of our world's woes. But is the solution simply saying "they" are the problem? What happens when "they" scapegoat "us" in response? In this episode, Peter Rollins and Michael Gungor talk about how we can engage in productive conflict in a world where technological advancements have only highlighted how much we disagree, and how we can see ourselves through other people's eyes to overcome social challenges together. Peter Rollins is a philosopher, storyteller, producer, public speaker, and author of numerous books, including Insurrection, The Idolatry of God, and The Divine Magician.  Peter earned his PhD in Post-Structural Thought from Queens University. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out more, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Feb 20, 2020
Does Single = Unlovable?
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Many of us feel like something is wrong with us if we are single. Some times we don't feel loved or feel unlovable. But what does it mean to be "single?" And what does it mean to be "loved?" Those don't have to be related. The way we receive love or feel love for ourselves is often tied up in how other people view us and the cultural norms we experience everyday. What if we separated those? In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride, Key Williams, Jamie Lee Finch, and Michael Gungor talk about the dynamics that affect how we live and experience love. We can tell ourselves a different story about being single — a positive story that we can experience love regardless of our relationship status. You are not alone! You can join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. It is one of the most meaningful things we do. To find out how to join The Liturgists, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Feb 13, 2020
Does Being Good Mean My Beliefs Shouldn't Change?
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Feeling shame and guilt when our beliefs change can be overwhelming. Our relationships with family, friends, and partners can seem to pivot solely on a shared understanding of what we believe. When our beliefs change we may fear that if people find out, they will not approve, or worse, they might abandon us. We may also feel anxious about not knowing what we believe and uncertain about where we are headed. Is changing what we think bad, or is it just a natural part of growth? In this episode, Michael Gungor and Dr. Hillary McBride talk about belief, change, and why we should embrace healthy growth. You can also join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. We also talk online everyday. To find out how to join The Liturgists to be a part of that community, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Feb 06, 2020
Is All History White History?
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History is literally a story we tell ourselves about what happened in the past. The way we tell that story is usually influenced by the people who have cultural and political power. We heard from so many of you from around the world about how whiteness affects our perception of history. In this episode Andre Henry, Propaganda, and Nikki Blak join William Matthews to talk about those influential dynamics. They discuss how we can help others and ourselves by viewing history from several vantage points. We can look into our past to understand ourselves better and use empathy to see the richness other people's stories bring to the tapestry of history. During the month of February we will be releasing a very special project called "Black History Is American History" via daily episodes covering heroes, icons, and titans in American history. We will release them every day on a separate feed you can sign up for and to our members via the member feed. Find out more by going to theliturgists.com/blackhistory You can also join us each Sunday to talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. We also talk online everyday. To find out how to join The Liturgists to be a part of that community, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button.
Jan 30, 2020
Am I Impure?
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Purity culture represents the main narrative around sex education and relationships for many people. It taught us ideas about ourselves and about other people that we often feel like we can't leave behind. In today's episode, Hillary and Michael are joined by Linda Kay Klein as they discuss purity culture and pull apart a story we may tell ourselves: "I am impure." Linda is the author of the book Pure, which covers the sexual purity movement in the evangelical church and the "purity industry" that formed along with it. Her interviews and stories outline the resulting anxiety, fear, and experiences that trap people in a cycle of shame. Sexual shame is not confined to evangelical culture and Linda's book serves as a powerful wake-up call about our society’s subjugation of women. This episode does cover traumatic experiences. We want to offer a content warning as well as suggest some mental health resources for you to use. Speaking with a professional, licensed therapist is a way to work through trauma in a way that is safe and "become stronger at the broken places." You are not alone. You can also join us each Sunday and talk with other liturgists around the world and meet in small groups. We also talk online everyday. To find out how to join The Liturgists to be a part of that community, visit theliturgists.com and look for the "Join The Liturgists" button. Resources: https://www.breakfreetogether.org https://aedpinstitute.org/find-an-aedp-institute-therapist/search/ https://directory.traumahealing.org https://www.emdria.org/search/ https://lifespanintegration.com/directory/ https://www.sensorimotorpsychotherapy.org/directory.html https://sstarnet.org/find-a-therapist/
Jan 23, 2020
Swapping Fundamentalisms
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Sometimes we leave one set of problems only to find ourselves in a new situation with the same problems. In this episode, Michael and Hillary speak with Emily Capshaw about her experience of leaving Christianity only to find some of the same problems in other belief systems. They talk candidly about how to avoid swapping one fundamentalism for another. We’d love to hear from you! If you have ideas for topics of discussion or guests you would like us to talk with on The Liturgists Podcast, please let us know and vote here: https://theliturgists.com/vote Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Dec 19, 2019
You Are Safe
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In this episode, we share one of our private meditations that our patrons get access to each week. Lisa Gungor leads the meditation and it is called "You Are Safe" We’d love to hear from you! If you have ideas for topics of discussion or guests you would like us to talk with on The Liturgists Podcast, please let us know and vote here: https://theliturgists.com/vote Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 28, 2019
Anti-Racism with Andre Henry
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Racism is a widespread issue in all spheres of society. People participate in racism knowingly or unknowingly and with or without intention to do so. While racism may not involve physical abuse or violent behaviors, it can be manifested through people's attitudes as well as their actions. But can something be done about it? Yes, we must call out racism. Each one of us can actively embrace anti-racism and help combat racial prejudice and bigotry.  Today on the podcast, Andre joins William Matthews to chat about anti-racism. In the conversation, Andre talks about his experience speaking out against racial injustice as well as share solutions to fighting racism. Andre Henry is a writer, speaker, musician, and activist with a deep passion for racial justice and social change. We’d love to hear from you! If you have ideas for topics of discussion or guests you would like us to talk with on The Liturgists Podcast, please let us know and vote here: https://theliturgists.com/vote Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 21, 2019
Tabs & Wafers: Live in Los Angeles
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Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about their experiences with church, God, science, scripture, theology, tradition, and more at the Los Angeles stop of the Tabs & Wafers Tour. The talk is an honest look at how some people experience Christianity and evangelicalism in the United States and how to find sincerity when it can be difficult to find a community. We’d love to hear from you! If you have ideas for topics of discussion or guests you would like us to talk with on The Liturgists Podcast, please let us know and vote here: https://theliturgists.com/vote Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 14, 2019
Finding Creative Flow
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Lauren Evans and Lisa Gungor talk about creative flow and how people who create art, music, and other creative work can make what is right for them. Finding her authentic voice served as an important life quest, because Lauren’s early work required her to be a creative chameleon. Lauren also talks about her life growing up, her spiritual experiences, and how the typical separation of “secular” and “christian/religious” did not mean as much to her in her journey. Lisa recounts how she had positive experiences within her church upbringing, but how she also found it difficult to write great music until she embraced what she is good at instead of following the typical path. We’d love to hear from you! If you have ideas for topics of discussion or guests you would like us to talk with on The Liturgists Podcast, please let us know and vote here: https://theliturgists.com/vote Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 07, 2019
Arctic
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In August of 2019, Michael Gungor, Science Mike, William Matthews, and Jamie Lee Finch embarked on a trip to the Arctic circle to experience some of the last untouched wilderness on the planet and hear from the Gwich'in people. The Gwich'in are Athabaskan-speaking Indigenous peoples who lives in the Arctic region of Alaska and Canada. Their sacred lands include areas within the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. In September 2019, the Trump Administration said it would "seek to open up the entire coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas exploration, picking the most aggressive development option for an area long closed to drilling" to cite The Washington Post.  The violence and destruction caused by the removal of long standing protections by the United States is difficult to overstate. This episode is the story of our trip to that area, and what we learned from the people there. We want to give a special shout out to The Wilderness Society for making this episode possible and to Dan Ritzman from Arctic Wild for his guidance in Alaska. This episode is sponsored by our friends at the No Place Like Home podcast.  No Place Like Home is a podcast that gets to the heart of climate change.  Hosts Mary Anne Hitt and Anna Jane Joyner explore the biggest story of our time—climate change—from intimate, creative, and surprising angles.  Find and subscribe to No Place Like Home at noplacelikehomepodcast.com or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you find your favorite podcasts.
Oct 24, 2019
Episode 199 - Good News on Climate with Mary Anne Hitt
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This week, Science Mike sits down with Marry Anne Hitt to talk about how to make real progress on mitigating human activities that create climate change. Mary Anne Hitt directs the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Campaign, which has been recognized as one of the most successful environmental campaigns in history. Working with partners across the nation, the campaign has blocked the construction of 200 proposed US coal plants, secured retirement of over half of existing US coal plants, and helped usher in the clean energy era. She is also co-host of the climate storytelling podcast No Place Like Home, with her friend Anna Jane Joyner. She lives in West Virginia with her family.

Oct 21, 2019
Change
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Some changes are normal and happen every day, while others are higher stakes and affect every area of our lives.  Whether they took place in our childhood or occurred later in life, changes often make us feel scared or anxious because of the unknowns they bring with them.

In this episode, William, Hillary, and Vishnu have a conversation about change, how we experience it, and how we can navigate change in our lives.

This episode was sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists

Oct 10, 2019
Porn
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This week we're talking about porn: what it is, how we feel about it, and what roles is plays in our culture. Joining us in the conversation are the following people:

Hillary McBride
Michael Gungor
William Matthews
Mike McHargue
Key Williams
Caroline Lee
Jenny McHargue
Kevin Garcia

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Oct 03, 2019
Pete Holmes Returns
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Pete Holmes returns for a conversation with Michael Gungor and Science Mike to discuss his latest book, Comedy Sex God.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Sep 19, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Head Center
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It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Sep 12, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Heart Center
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It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Sep 12, 2019
The 27 Subtypes of the Enneagram - The Gut Center
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It's ENNEAGRAM MADNESS. Today we have not one, not two, but three episodes about the Enneagram featuring one of our favorite teachers: Annie Dimond.

This episode was sponsored by Betterhelp. Get 10% your first month of safe, private, affordable mental health counseling by visiting http://betterhelp.com/liturgists.

Sep 12, 2019
Liturgists (The Alien & The Robot)
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This is an episode of our other podcast, The Alien & The Robot. It's a show for our Patrons, but this episode has some announcements about new stuff coming to Patreon PLUS we found a way to describe the "mission" of The Liturgists out loud for the first time ever. Not bad for a show that started in 2014.

Sep 05, 2019
Scrupulosity
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Hillary McBride speaks with Audrey Assad about how fundamental religious cultures can foster, and even sometimes reward mental illnesses. In this episode Audrey shares about her experience battling Scrupulosity, or Religious OCD.

Aug 22, 2019
Jamie Lee Finch is a Sex Witch.
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Michael Gungor sits down with Jamie Lee Finch to talk about embodiment, sexuality, and religious trauma. Jamie is a sexuality and embodiment coach, author, and poet.

Michael Gungor and Science Mike are on tour. Click here to see if they're coming to a city near you.

Aug 08, 2019
Dealing with Loneliness - Live from Wild Goose
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Science Mike, Michael Gungor, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride discuss the modern epidemic of loneliness, and how to respond to it in an episode recorded in front of a live audience at the Wild Goose Festival 2019.

We've got HUGE NEWS about our Tabs & Wafers tour: We're offering FREE TICKETS in all remaining cities in order to make our events more economically accessible. Plus, we're finally telling you the event actually is. You can learn more here. See you soon, Minneapolis, Chicago, Los Angeles, Tempe, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, and Austin.

Jul 25, 2019
Prayer
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This episode is about prayer. What is prayer? What value, if any,  does prayer have for people who don't believe in a theistic God anymore?

Science Mike and Michael Gungor are on tour and headed to a city near you.

Jul 11, 2019
Pro-life, Pro-choice (Re-Release) with Rachel Held Evans
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Alabama recently approved a measure that would outlaw almost all abortions in the state, setting up a challenge to Roe v. Wade, the case that recognized a woman's constitutional right to end a pregnancy. Few issues are more divisive than abortion. Few topics push on our most fundamental ideas about life, personhood, and morality. Back in 2015, Rachel Held Evans, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor take a look a simple, controversial question: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

For more information on Rachel Held Evans’ work, and to learn how to support her family following her tragic passing, visit rachelheldevans.com

You can get a free copy of one of Rachel’s audiobooks on Audible by signing up for a free trial Here.

Jun 20, 2019
Episode 100
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In celebration of our 100th episode, we take a look at where the podcast has been while looking forward to what's next. Thank you to all of you who've listened and contributed over the years.

Michael Gungor and Science Mike are going on tour in an event called Tabs & Wafers. Learn more.

May 21, 2019
The God Question
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In this episode, Michael Gungor asks leading theologians, scholars, teachers two questions: “Does God exist,” and “Who or what is God?”

Guests on this episode include, Richard Rohr, Diana Butler Bass, Amy-Jill Levine, Sharon Salzberg, Reza Aslan, Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride.

Fr. Richard Rohr is a globally recognized ecumenical teacher bearing witness to the universal awakening within Christian mysticism and the Perennial Tradition. He is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province and founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fr. Richard’s teaching is grounded in the Franciscan alternative orthodoxy—practices of contemplation and self-emptying, expressing itself in radical compassion, particularly for the socially marginalized.

Diana Butler Bass is an author, speaker, and independent scholar specializing in American religion and culture. She holds a Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University and is the award-winning author of ten books, including Grounded: Finding God in the World —A Spiritual Revolution, Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening,  Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church is Transforming the Faith, and Grateful: The Transformative Power of Giving Thanks.

Amy-Jill Levine is University Professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies, Mary Jane Werthan Professor of Jewish Studies, and Professor of New Testament Studies at Vanderbilt Divinity School and College of Arts and Science; she is also Affiliated Professor, Centre for the Study of Jewish-Christian Relations, Cambridge UK.   Her books include The Misunderstood Jew: The Church and the Scandal of the Jewish Jesus; The Meaning of the Bible: What the Jewish Scriptures and the Christian Old Testament Can Teach Us (co-authored with Douglas Knight); The New Testament, Methods and Meanings (co-authored with Warren Carter), and the thirteen-volume edited Feminist Companions to the New Testament and Early Christian Writing.  Her most recent volume is Short Stories by Jesus: The Enigmatic Parables of a Controversial Rabbi. She has also just written, with noted children’s book author Sandy Eisenberg Sasso, Who Counts? 100 Sheep, Ten Coins, and Two Sons (a volume on the parables of Luke 15, designed for children). Dr. Levine is also the co-editor, with Marc Z. Brettler, of the Jewish Annotated New Testament, now in a second edition.   Holding the B.A. from Smith College, and the M.A. and Ph.D. from Duke University, she has honorary doctorates from the University of Richmond, the Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest, the University of South Carolina-Upstate, Drury University, Christian Theological Seminary, and Franklin College. A self-described Yankee Jewish feminist, Professor Levine is a member of Congregation Sherith Israel, an Orthodox Synagogue in Nashville, although she is often quite unorthodox.

Sharon Salzberg is a central figure in the field of meditation, a world-renowned teacher and NY Times bestselling author. She has played a crucial role in bringing meditation and mindfulness practices to the West and into mainstream culture since 1974, when she first began teaching. She is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA and the author of ten books including NY Times bestseller, Real Happiness, her seminal work, Lovingkindness and her forthcoming release by Flatiron Books, Real Love. Renowned for her down-to-earth teaching style, Sharon offers a secular, modern approach to Buddhist teachings, making them instantly accessible. She is a regular columnist for On Being, a contributor to Huffington Post, and the host of her own podcast: The Metta Hour.

Reza Aslan is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, producer, and scholar of religions. His books, including his #1 New York Times Bestseller, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, have been translated into dozens of languages around the world. He is also a recipient of the prestigious James Joyce Award.

May 02, 2019
THIS
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Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride talk with Michael Gungor about his newest book, THIS. As Michael shares, letting go of the stories that defined his identity and value in the world led him and his family on a wild and painful journey through atheism, mysticism, betrayal, loss, medical issues, moving trucks, and thousands of online trolls.

The deconstruction of his faith is one story. The transformation of it is another. As Michael lets us know, our stories are the seams of illusion that we sew into reality―in order to label this and that. But what you think of as you (or anything else for that matter) is simply movement within the ocean of Being―of THIS. Once you see that is it just a story, you can let go and be free.

You can get your copy of THIS on Amazon.com or, if you prefer audio books,  you can get THIS for free by signing up for an Audible trial using our affiliate link.

Apr 16, 2019
What I'm Learning
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Hillary McBride and Science Mike talk about learning to cope with change, growth, and intimacy.

Want to see Michael Gungor and Science Mike this May? Tickets for their summer tour are on sale now.

Apr 04, 2019
Richard Rohr and The Universal Christ (Part 1)
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Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book. You can learn more about the book here.


You can get the audiobook for The Universal Christ for free using our Audible affiliate link. Learn more here.

Mar 24, 2019
Richard Rohr and The Universal Christ (Part 2)
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Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book. You can learn more about the book here.


You can get the audiobook for The Universal Christ for free using our Audible affiliate link. Learn more here.

Mar 24, 2019
Fear | Live in Nashville
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We’re discussing fear in an episode that was recorded live at The Liturgists Gathering in Nashville, TN. Special thanks to Jamie Lee Finch for joining us.


We’re going on tour! Join Science Mike and Michael Gungor for Tabs & Wafers. Tickets are on sale now--visit our events page for more information.

Mar 07, 2019
Buddhist (Part 2)
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This week we're talking with Sharon Salzberg. Sharon is a central figure in the field of meditation, a world-renowned teacher and NY Times bestselling author. She has played a crucial role in bringing meditation and mindfulness practices to the West and into mainstream culture since 1974, when she first began teaching. She is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA and the author of ten books including NY Times bestseller, Real Happiness, her seminal work, Lovingkindness and her forthcoming release by Flatiron Books, Real Love. Renowned for her down-to-earth teaching style, Sharon offers a secular, modern approach to Buddhist teachings, making them instantly accessible. She is a regular columnist for On Being, a contributor to Huffington Post, and the host of her own podcast: The Metta Hour. For more information, visit www.SharonSalzberg.com.

We've got a handful of tickets left for our next kin retreat. If you're a man interested in confronting harmful cultural scripts around masculinity, we'd love for you to join us in Ojai this May.

Feb 22, 2019
Buddhist (Part 1)
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We're talking with Bushi Yamato Damashii this week to kick off a new series on Buddhism. Bushi is a Buddhist monk and lead resident teacher at Daishin Zen Buddhist Temple in Thomasville, North Carolina. Bushi is also the Vice-president and Zen monk at Still Water Farms Retreat Center in Franklinville, NC. A former Christian minister and pastor, Bushi now speaks of much deeper understanding of the love and compassion of the Historical Jesus and the Historical Buddha. Bushi is classically trained in Mahayana Buddhism and Daishin Zen.

We've got a handful of tickets left for our next kin retreat. If you're a man interested in confronting harmful cultural scripts around masculinity, we'd love for you to join us in Ojai this May.

Feb 07, 2019
BONUS - Transitions (The Alien & The Robot)
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We've got another podcast called The Alien & The Robot that's available exclusively to our Patrons. But, as we work on Season 5, we've got some big news to share on multiple fronts. So, please enjoy a "behind the scenes" look at what The Liturgists are up to.

Here's some links you may want:

End of the World Tour 

The Liturgists NEW SOCIAL PLATFORM 

Jan 31, 2019
The End of The World Tour
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Propaganda, the Brilliance, and Gungor talk about their upcoming tour. Plus, Propaganda and Alma from the Red Couch Podcast tell us about their upcoming series on intersectionality, It's Complicated.

Jan 25, 2019
Season 4 Finale
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To close out Season 4 of The Liturgists Podcast, we look back at some of the highlights from The Liturgists Podcast so far (as selected by our community on Patreon).

We're hiring an Associate Producer. You can learn more here.

Dec 31, 2018
Kosmos
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In this episode, we talk about the story behind Kosmos, the latest record by William Matthews.

Nov 29, 2018
(Not) Christian
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In the final episode of our Christian series, William Matthews tells Michael Gungor why he should be a Christian.

Nov 15, 2018
Christian (Part Fohr)
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This week, Fr. Richard Rohr joins William Matthews, Michael Gungor, and Hillary McBride to explore the question: What is a Christian?

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in Minneapolis or Nashville this Novemeber.

Oct 18, 2018
Christian (Part 3)
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This week Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk with Lisa Gungor and Jenny McHargue about what Christianity is.

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in London, Minneapolos, or Nashville this year.

Oct 04, 2018
Christian (Part 2)
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This is the first in a weekly series where we explore two seemingly simple questions: "Do you identify as a Christian," and, "Why or why not."

Our guest on this episode is Jennifer Knapp.

We'll be in London, Minneapolis and Nashville for The Liturgists Gathering this fall. We'd love to see you there.

Sep 27, 2018
Christian (Part 1)
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This is the first in a weekly series where we explore two seemingly simple questions: "Do you identify as a Christian," and, "Why or why not."

Our guest on this episode is Rachel Held Evans. Her new book about the Bible is called Inspired.

We'll be in London, Minneapolis and Nashville for The Liturgists Gathering this fall. We'd love to see you there.

Sep 20, 2018
The Alien & The Robot - Earth
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Here's a sample of our latest project: a new weekly podcast for folks who support us on Patreon called The Alien & The Robot.

Sep 06, 2018
Man
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As a followup to Woman, this episode explores masculinity and male identity in a culture striving for equality.

Jul 26, 2018
Live in Austin, TX
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This podcast was recorded at The Liturgists Gathering in Austin, TX.

If you're interested in hosting The Liturgists Gathering, let us know.

Jul 12, 2018
The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen - Lisa Gungor
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Jun 25, 2018
Social Media
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A look at how social media impacts advocay, mental health, community building, and our view of the world.

May 31, 2018
BONUS - Twelve Questions
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As we gear up for The Liturgists Gathering in Austin, TX, here's a bonus episode from our Patreon podcast.

May 18, 2018
Mysticism
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Hillary, William, Michael, and Mike discuss spirtulity beyond the reach of language.

May 03, 2018
Tongues
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This episode is about the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, as explored through the perspectives of science, art, and faith.

Apr 19, 2018
The Ethics of F***ing (Part 2)
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TRIGGER WARNING: The interview with Christopher West in Part 2 could be triggering to members of the LGBTQIA+ community. It's included so people with non-affiriming viewpoints on LGBTQIA+ on sexuality are prompted to examine the implications of that worldview, but we encourge our listners to use discretion before listening to that segment.
 
In this episode, we’re talking about how to discern what is right and healthy for people in sexual activity.
 
We’d like to thank our guests on this episode, and we encourage you to check out their work.
 
Caroline Lee, Artist and Photographer
Apr 05, 2018
The Ethics of F***ing (Part 1)
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In this episode, we’re talking about how to discern what is right and healthy for people in sexual activity.
 
We’d like to thank our guests on this episode, and we encourage you to check out their work.
 
Caroline Lee, Artist and Photographer
Apr 05, 2018
Body Image
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In this episode, we’re discussing body image–how we view our bodies and the bodies of others.
 
Mar 22, 2018
Embodiment
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Who are you? Is the body a transport vessel for the brain? This episode tackles the idea of emboidment, and our complex relationships with our own bodies.

Mar 08, 2018
Evangelical (Part 1)
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What does it mean to be an Evangelical today? We talk with Matthew Vines from The Reformation Project as well as author/speaker Jen Hatmaker about Evangelicalism in 2018.
Feb 22, 2018
Evangelical (Part 2)
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What does it mean to be an Evangelical today? We talk with Matthew Vines from The Reformation Project as well as author/speaker Jen Hatmaker about Evangelicalism in 2018.
Feb 22, 2018
Meet the New Hosts
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On this episode, we welcome two new hosts to the podast: William Matthews and Hillary McBride. Plus, we uncover the hottest new band in worship music, Abraham's Bosom.

Feb 08, 2018
Loving Kindness Meditation
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This is a bonus episode with a Loving Kindness meditation. May you find that it promotes healing in difficult times.

If you'd like to try more meditations like these, join us on Patreon.

If you'd like to learn more about meditation as a practice, consider our new online course about meditaiton.

Jan 20, 2018
Shame - Live from Seattle
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This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Seattle, WA on October 27, 2017.

Thanks Hillary McBride for joining us on this episode. Her new book is available now.

Special Announcement: We're starting something new next year for those of you who want to go deeper with topics we discuss on The Liturgists Podcast via video courses. If you'd like to get access to these first, you can  preorder the first two for the price of one here.

Dec 05, 2017
Paranormal (Special Halloween Episode)
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We've got a special show this week, full of ghost stories and other encounters with the paranormal. Listen, if you dare.

Oct 31, 2017
God Our Mother - Live from Boston
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This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Los Angeles, CA on October 6, 2017.

Thanks Christena Cleveland and David Gungor for joining us on this episode.

Special Annoucenemnt: Tickets for The Liturgists Gathering in London are now on sale.

Oct 17, 2017
Enemies - Live from Los Angeles
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This is a special live episode recorded at The Liturigsts Gathering in Los Angeles, CA on September 15, 2017.

Thanks Iris Chandler, Sarah Heath, William Matthews, Lisa Gungor, and Peter Rollins for joining us on this episode.

Oct 03, 2017
Names
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An exploration of what names are, how they shape us, and what happens when we change more than our label can accommodate.

Aug 15, 2017
The Other Show
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While Science Mike unpacks moving boxes and Michael Gungor is on tour with Gungor, we offer this "Best of The Liturgists Conversations" episode. Want to hear more like this? Join us on Patreon.

Aug 01, 2017
Rob Bell and the Bible
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Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk to Rob Bell about his latest book, What is the Bible.

Jul 11, 2017
Pale Blue Dot
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In this episode Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk about the psychological shift that comes with seeing the Earth from space with Guy Reid and Jacob Marshall. We also spoke with climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe about the science behind climate change, and what we can do to protect life on this planet.
 
Watch Guy’s film OVERVIEW here to learn more about The Overview Effect. You can see more work by Guy at http://weareplanetary.com
 
You can learn more about the work of Katharine Hayhoe on her website, including resources and videos about the science of global climate change.
 
Jun 20, 2017
Christian Violence
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In this episode, Michael Gungor and Science Mike discuss the relationship between violence and Christianity with Shane Claiborne.
 
Check out Shane’s new book, Executing Grace.
Jun 06, 2017
Spiritual Trauma
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We’ve heard thousands of stories from people who’ve been hurt by someone in their faith communities–it’s one of the most common elements among The Liturgists. In this episode we discuss spiritual trauma: what it is, how to cope with it, and how to support others through it. Michael Gungor and Science Mike spoke with Hillary McBride, Teresa Pasquale Mateus, and Carol Howard Merritt about trauma in spiritual contexts.
 
Hillary McBride is a registered clinical counsellor in Vancouver BC, and is a PhD candidate in Counseling Psychology at the University of British Columbia. She has her own private practice specializing in trauma and trauma therapies, both single incident traumas and complex developmental traumas. Hillary has a book coming out in October 2017 called 'mothers, daughters, and body image: learning to love ourselves as we are" about women making peace with their bodies, and learning to embrace and enjoy their bodies- shifting the tide of normative body dissatisfaction among westernized women. You can learn more about Hillary on her website.
 
Teresa B. Pasquale Mateus, LCSW, E-RYT 200 is a trauma psychotherapist, yoga and contemplative practice teacher and author based out of Chicago, Illinois. She is a graduate of New York University's School of Clinical Social work and Richard Rohr's Living School at the Center for Action and Contemplation. She is co-founder and Executive Director of The Mystic Soul Project whose mission is to center the voices, work, and formation for people of color in contemplation, action and healing. She is the author of Sacred Wounds: A Path To Healing from Spiritual Trauma and Mending Broken: A Personal Journey Through the Stages of Trauma & Recovery. Teresa teaches, preaches, lectures, facilitates experiential workshops and retreats around issues of trauma, spiritual journey, ritual, as well as the interconnection between contemplation and action (often with a specifically people of color centered approach). You can learn more about Teresa on her website.
 
Rev. Carol Howard Merritt is a minister whose writing, speaking, and teaching is anchored in theological wisdom and sociological insight. She’s a sought-after keynote speaker, especially on the topic of ministering in a new generation. The award-winning author of Tribal Church: Ministering to the Missing Generation, Reframing Hope: Vital Ministry in a New Generation, and Healing Spiritual Wounds: Reconnecting with a Loving God After Experiencing a Hurtful Church. Carol is a frequent contributor to books, websites, magazines, and journals. She is a regular writer at the Christian Century where her blog is hosted. You can learn more about Carol on her website.
 
Additional Resources on Spiritual Trauma
 
Sacred Wounds: A Path to Healing from Spiritual Trauma by Teresa B. Pasquale Mateus (a guest on this episode).
 
Hillary offers these suggestions for additional resources:
 
TW: Please read these books at your discretion. Some books may be more academic and clinical, while others are designed to help you work through trauma or support people you love with trauma. 
 
these books contain information and narratives about:
interpersonal violence, sexual assault, military trauma, incest, catastrophic disasters, verbal, physical, and sexual abuse, clergy abuse. 
 
If you are looking for a trauma therapist following listening to this episode, consider looking for a therapist who has training in:
EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy)
SE (Somatic experiencing)
SP (Sensorimotor psychotherapy)
LI (Lifespan integration)
OEI (Observed and experiential integration)
Hakomi - body based therapy 
 
 
getting past your past- francine shapiro
the sexual healing journey- wendy maltz
May 16, 2017
Palm Sunday
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A liturgy for the beginnging of Holy Week.

If you'd like a daily resource for all of holy week, join us on Patreon.

Apr 09, 2017
Advocacy
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How can we engage in effective advocacy that creates change? And how can we do so without losing hope? We talked to two experts in the world of social justice and advocacy to find out.
 
Christena Cleveland is a social psychologist, public theologian, author and professor. She is the first Associate Professor of the Practice of Reconciliation at Duke University’s Divinity School and the author of Disunity in Christ: Uncovering the Hidden Forces that Keep Us Apart. You can learn more about her at http://www.christenacleveland.com
 
Micky is a perpetual learner, “justice doula”, consultant, facilitator, mama/sister/friend, nonviolence practitioner and contemplative activist living just south of Nashville, TN. After 10 plus years as a mother-baby specialist, trainer and author, she decided to shift back to earlier interests: theology and community development. She is a member of the co-learning community of NAIITS (North American Institute of Indigenous Theological Studies) and graduated with a Masters of Arts in Intercultural Studies. Learn more about her at http://www.mickyscottbeyjones.com
Mar 21, 2017
Fake News & Media Literacy
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What’s fake news, and how can we spot it? This episode is about media literacy, and offers insights on how to spot fake news, as well as media bias, and skewed data.
 
We talked with Clay Johnson, author of The Information Diet and the co-founder of Blue State Digital, the firm that built and managed Barack Obama’s online campaign for the presidency in 2008.
 
Here’s a few resources to dig deeper:
 
Mar 07, 2017
Bonus - Lent 2017
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We're producing a daily medititation for our subscribers on Patreon for Lent this year. If you'd like to join us, vist our website at http://theliturgists.com and click the "Donate Now" button to learn more.

Mar 01, 2017
How Do We Know What We Know? (Epistemology)
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We're talking about epistemology on this episode–the study of truth, belief, and justification. Sound boring? In the age of "fake news," this may be the most important topic we can cover.

Feb 21, 2017
Ableism
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This episode is all about ableism–the conscious and unconcious ways that people tend to discrimnate against disabled people.

Ginny Owens joined us to talk about her experiences as a blind muscian living and working in Nashville. You can learn more about Ginny and her music at ginnyowens.com.

Heather Avis told us about her children with Down syndrome, and how people respond to them. Her book, The Lucky Few: Finding God's Best in the Most Unlikely Places, comes out March 21, 2017.

Michele in NYC shared her perspective as a queer, intersectional, disabled activist. She invites you to learn more about ableism (and how to rid the world of it) at whatisableism.tumblr.com.

Feb 07, 2017
Parenting and Deconstruction
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As a follow-up to Lost & Found and The Other Side of the Mattress, we respond to our most common request: an episode on how to talk to your kids during and after faith transitions.

Jan 24, 2017
A Christmas Story of Sorts
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A special Christmas episode featuring highlights from our friends The Brilliance.

Dec 20, 2016
Suffering (Part 3)
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This is the third episode of a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

Nov 29, 2016
Suffering (Part 2)
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This is the second in a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

Nov 15, 2016
Suffering (Part 1)
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This is the first in a three part series dealing with suffering: what is it, how do we cope with it, and how can we address it?

Please consider joining with us to help provide clean drinking water to every person on this planet. Learn more at http://theliturgists.com/water

 

Nov 01, 2016
One Wild Life:Body (Part 5)
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We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 07, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 4)
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We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 06, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 3)
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We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

 

Oct 05, 2016
One Wild Life: Body (Part 2)
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We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

Oct 04, 2016
One Wild Life Body (Part 1)
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We've got a special series of podcasts this week exploring the themes and sounds of Gungor's new record One Wild Life: Body. This is the final album in the One Wild Life trilogy of records, and is available everywhere music is sold.

Oct 03, 2016
Woman (Episode 40)
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In this episode, we explore the sexism in the context of culture and the church.

Featuring Austin Channing Brown, Caroline Lee, Christine Chester, Emily Capshaw, Lisa Gungor, and Rev. Sarah Heath.
Sep 27, 2016
Finding God in the Waves (Episode 39)
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In this episode, Science Mike and Michael Gungor are joined by many surprise guests to talk about Mike's new book, Finding God in the Waves. WARNING: You may need tissues if you're the weepy type.

Sep 13, 2016
Religious Art (Episode 38)
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What is religious art? Can all art be religious? Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk with a host of creators about the nature of art and how we relate to God.

Sep 06, 2016
The Enneagram (Episode 37)
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To kick of Season 3, Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the Enneagram with Ian Cron and Suzanne Stabile.

Learn more about the Enneagram at The Road Back to You.
Aug 23, 2016
Episode 36 - Wild Goose 2016
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While we work on Season 3, here's a special live episode of The Liturgists Podcast recorded at the Wild Goose Festival. It's a conversation between Science Mike, Michael Gungor, and a live audience.

If you'd like to be part of a conversation like this, join us at The Liturgists Gathering.
Jul 19, 2016
Episode 35 - The Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr
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Science Mike and Michael Gungor talk about mysticism and the Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr.

Apr 12, 2016
Episode 34 - Black and White: Racism in America
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Mar 29, 2016
Episode 33 - One Wild Life Spirit
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Science Mike talks with Lisa and Michael Gungor about their new album, One Wild Life Soul.

 
We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering or the One Wild Life Tour.
Mar 08, 2016
Episode 32 - Storytelling at Sundance
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The Liturgists Podcast won the Sprit of Windrider Award at Sundance this year, so Science Mike and Michael Gungor talked with filmmakers and cultural curators about the art, science, and faith of storytelling.

Feb 23, 2016
Episode 31 - The Voice of God
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As a follow up to Prophet or Ass, Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk with Hae-jin and Jacob Marshall about hearing the voice of God–and how implausible the very idea is.

We'd love to see you at The Liturgists Gathering in Dallas, Denver, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

Feb 09, 2016
Episode 30 - Prophet or Ass
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Rachel Held Evans joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to discuss the difference between speaking necessary truth and being an ass.

Science Mike's four questions for speaking truth are here.

We're coming to Phoenix and Los Angeles with our Lost & Found event. You can learn more here.

If you're interested in hosting one of our conferences in 2016 at no cost to your church, visit this page.

Jan 19, 2016
Episode 29 - Philosophy and Radical Theology
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Science Mike and Michael Gungor chat with Peter Rollins about the tension between science and philosophy and what that means for our beliefs about God.

You can learn more about Peter's work on his website, or check out The Divine Magician on Amazon.

Dec 15, 2015
Episode 28 - The Asymptotic Fidelity of Words
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Amena Brown, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor discuss the origins and application of language.

The Void is a work by Graham Murtaugh.

Nov 24, 2015
Episode 27 - The Multiverse
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What is the multiverse? And what can it tell us about God? Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the science, faith, and art of multiverse theories.

We're running a crowdfunding campaign. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider donating here.

Nov 03, 2015
Episode 26 - Faith and Music with David Bazan
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Michael Gungor sits down with David Bazan to talk about faith and music.

We'd love to see you at Belong.

Oct 20, 2015
Episode 25 - Sin
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There are many different ideas about sin in our culture today. Some believe sin is a failure to follow God's law, while others believe its an harmful anachronism. For this episode of The Liturgists Podcast, Michael Gungor, Lissa Paino, and Science Mike talk about sin.

Things mentioned in this episode:

René Girard

Science Mike's axiom about sin

Sound design by Michael Gungor.
Content edits by Gregg Nordin.

Oct 06, 2015
Episode 24 - Christian Nationalism
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Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino look at what happens when nationalism and Christianity overlap.

Sep 22, 2015
Episode 23 - Pro-life, Pro-choice
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Few issues are more divisive than abortion. Few topics push on our most fundamental ideas about life, personhood, and morality that when life begins.

Rachel Held Evans, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor take a look a simple, controversial question: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Sep 08, 2015
Episode 22 - Who Am I?
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We're hosting an event called Belong in London this November. Click here to learn more.

Spirit, Soul, and Body. The mystery of consciousness and the way our perception of the world seems distinct from our physicality means most people believe their consciousness transcends their bodies alone. But what are we? A spirit trapped in a body? Or an illusionary, emergent property of neurons and synapses?

Science Mike and Michael Gungor bring The Liturgists Podcast back from hiatus to consider these ideas from the lenses of faith, art, and science.

Aug 25, 2015
Episode 21 - One Wild Life
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Science Mike sat down with Michael Gungor and Lisa Gungor to talk about their new project One Wild Life: Soul following Belong.

One Wild Life: Soul comes out in August, but you can get it now for a limited time as part of the One Wild Life Season Pass. One Wild Life is a trilogy of records being released this year, and the Season Pass gets you all three before anyone else–including One Wild Life: Soul immediately.

See gungormusic.com for more details.

Jun 30, 2015
Episode 20 - LGBTQ
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Donald Miller and J.J. Peterson; Matthew Vines; Melissa Greene, Stan Mitchell, and Tabitha from GracePointe; Preston Sprinkle; and Ed Gungor join Science Mike and Michael Gungor to share their stories and perspectives on LGBTQ persons and the Church.

May 19, 2015
Episode 19 - Searching For Sunday with Rachel Held Evans
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Science Mike and Michael Gungor chat with Rachel Held Evans about her latest book, Searching For Sunday–and what the church of tomorrow may look like.

Searching For Sunday

Community Resources Email Sign Up

Belong: An Event by The Liturgists

May 05, 2015
Episode 18 - Worship (Part 2)
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David Gungor (of The Brilliance) joins Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about the faith, art, and science of worship.

And as we discussed on the program, we create liturgies for worship and never talk about then on our own podcast. You can find them here.

Apr 21, 2015
Episode 17 - Worship (Part 1)
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David Gungor (of The Brilliance) joins Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about the faith, art, and science of worship.

And as we discussed on the program, we create liturgies for worship and never talk about then on our own podcast. You can find them here.

Apr 07, 2015
Episode 16 - The End (Eschatology)
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Michael Gungor and Science Mike talk about the strangeness of eschatology through the lenses of art, science, and faith.

Here's a couple of resources discussed this week.

I Am a Strange Loop.

The Fermi Paradox.

The Problem with Artificial Intelligence.

Mar 24, 2015
Episode 15 - Songwriting
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Ryan O'Neal from Sleeping at Last joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to talk about the science, faith, and art of songwriting.

The film Ryan is scoring is Many Beautiful Things. Ryan is also working on Atlas: Year Two.

We mentioned Michael's book The Crowd, the Critic, and the Muse. We also talked about The War of Art and The Artist's Way.

Mar 10, 2015
Episode 14 - Meditation
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What is meditation and how does it effect our faith? What does it do to our brains? Michael Gungor and Science Mike discuss their experiences with meditation through the lenses of science, art, and faith.

Feb 24, 2015
Episode 13 - Humor with Pete Holmes
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What is humor? Where does it come from? Why do people have such different ideas about what is and is not funny? Comedian (and host of You Made it WeirdPete Holmes joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike to talk about the science, art, and faith of humor.

Note: This episode of The Liturgists Podcast contains explicit language and mature themes. This isn't an episode for the kids or people offended by such things.

Feb 10, 2015
Episode 12 - Marriage & Relationships with Kristen and Rob Bell
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Marriage is changing. Less people are getting married today than in the past, and many people who want to get married can’t. Humans long for companionship and love, but what does a healthy marriage look like in this changing landscape? We sat down with Kristen & Rob Bell to discuss marriage and relationships–and the best ways to experience fulfillment and joy in our most important relationship to another person.

Kristen and Rob have a book called The Zimzum of Love that explores the topic deeper. You can learn more about it here.

Rob’s also got a new podcast called the Robcast. You can catch it on iTunes.

Jan 27, 2015
Episode 11 - The Other Side of the Mattress
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Our long promised "spouses of doubt" episode is finally here. Lisa Gungor and Jenny McHargue share their experiences being married to someone losing their faith (and talk about what you tell the kids as it happens).

Production and Sound Design by Joel Marchard.

Jan 13, 2015
Episode 10 - Christian Celebrity
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Modern people are obsessed with fame and celebrity, and Christians are no exception. Despite a value system that encourages humility and discourages elevating people, Christians often lift their leaders and artists up to lofty pedestals (at least until they tear them down). Why do we do this? And is fame and acclaim always bad? Is there a healthy way to approach celebrity in the Church? Rachel Held Evans joins Michael Gungor and Science Mike for a discussion of Christian Celebrity.

Dec 23, 2014
Episode 9 - Safe Church
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Churches are places of growth and healing at their best, but too often people associate churches with trauma and hurt. How can we find and foster safe, supportive spiritual communities that help more than they harm? Science Mike and Pastor Betsy take your questions on the topic of Safe Church.

Also, we're thrilled to introduce you to Joel Marchand. Joel did the outstanding editing and sound design you'll hear on this episode.

Nov 25, 2014
Episode 8 - Special Announcement & Interstellar
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On this week's episode, Science Mike and Josh make an announcement about the future of The Liturgists Podcast and then dive deep into the science behind the movie Interstellar.

Rob Carmack asks Science Mike five questions about Interstellar.

The Science of Interstellar

Neil deGrasse Tyson on Interstellar

Phil Plait on Interstellar, and then again after more research.

If time dilation and Relativity are blowing your mind, watch this and this. Oh, and this too.

 

Nov 11, 2014
Episode 7 - Lost and Found (Part 2)
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This is part 2 of Michael Gungor and Science Mike sharing the stories of losing their faith and finding God again.

Oct 28, 2014
Episode 6 - Lost and Found (Part 1)
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What is it like to lose God? Is there a way back after unbelief? Michael Gungor and Science Mike share their stories of faith lost and found.

Oct 14, 2014
Episode 5 - Spiral Dynamics
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Have you ever noticed that people come to radically different conclusions even when offered the same information? We see this at play in religion, politics, sports, art, and even Thanksgiving dinner. Where do these different ways of viewing the world come from, and why do they cause so much conflict? In this episode, Lissa Paino, Mike McHargue, and Michael Gungor discuss Spiral Dynamics–a theoretical model of how human consciousness changes the world, and then reacts to those changes. This is a heady episode, but don't worry. We've got visual aids.

If you've got questions or comments on today's episode, hit us up on Twitter, Facebook, or the comments section on our website.

Sep 23, 2014
Episode 4 - Church Unity
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The Christian Church includes both radical pacifists and people who want to engage in violence against Muslims. Is unity possible between all the radically diverse people who call themselves "Christian?" Rachel Held Evans joins Lissa Paino, Mike McHargue and Michael Gungor to talk about church unity In the aftermath of a Charisma News editorial calling for violence against Muslims.

Sep 09, 2014
Episode 3 - The Bible
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War. Genocide. Incest. Murder. No, we're not talking about Game of Thrones–this episode is about the Bible. Some people view it as the infallible Word of God, others as the Word of God through words of men, and some people think the Bible is much ado about nothing. Guest Peter Enns joins Lissa Paino, Science Mike and Michael Gungor to talk about what the Bible means to Christians today.

Peter's latest book The Bible Tells Me So is available for preorder here.

Aug 26, 2014
Episode 2 - Genesis & Evolution
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A host of publications, including Ken Ham's Answers In Genesis take issue with Michael's take on Genesis and the Christian social media world explodes with controversy. In this episode, Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino discuss how everything came to be through the lenses of art, science, and faith.

Aug 12, 2014
Episode 1 - Creativity
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Where does creativity come from? Is everyone creative? How do people become more creative?What role does creativity play in liturgy and sacred art? Michael Gungor, Science Mike, and Lissa Paino discuss creativity through the lenses of science, art, and faith.

Jul 29, 2014